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[Darth Drago]

Sinophile wrote...

Thank you infinitecute for being the only person to have read my post. BTW, how do you post gifs on this forum? I see no "add pic" button.

-I read it but felt no reason to say anything since half of it was pretty much putting down everyone who isn’t well off like you and your family seem to be. But hey great for you.

Why don’t you go play Mass Effect 1 before you completely gun him down and everyone else who didn’t like all the changes that were made.

For the record my first system was the Atari 2600. Unlike apparently the masses of short attention spanning twits, I prefer to get quality and quantity out of a game (or anything) that cost me $60. Most companies just don’t understand that anymore. They prefer to go with where the “sure bet” money is over anything.

Jaysonie wrote..
The so called issues that you keep bringing up are nit picks, no real criticisims. Your making mountains out of mole hills.

-Get enough mole hills and you have a serious problem.

I’m trying to understand why so many people don’t see both games like a few of us by trying to get some real dialog on at least a few of the issues I have with ME2.

But hey, I wont waste your or anyone’s time anymore. With the constant troll attacks on people who have an opinion about a game that ruffles their feathers its just not worth my time.

I leave you with the forum troll prayer.

“Oh hear me oh mighty BioWare Gods. Smite down those that blaspheme against your holy scripture. Silence them for they do not know what they say. Give us the power to destroy the heretics before they can spread their lies.”

Modifié par Darth Drago, 21 février 2010 - 03:10 .

[SithLordExarKun]

Darth Drago wrote...

Sinophile wrote...

Thank you infinitecute for being the only person to have read my post. BTW, how do you post gifs on this forum? I see no "add pic" button.

-I read it but felt no reason to say anything since half of it was pretty much putting down everyone who isn’t well off like you and your family seem to be. But hey great for you.

Why don’t you go play Mass Effect 1 before you completely gun him down and everyone else who didn’t like all the changes that were made.

For the record my first system was the Atari 2600. Unlike apparently the masses of short attention spanning twits, I prefer to get quality and quantity out of a game (or anything) that cost me $60. Most companies just don’t understand that anymore. They prefer to go with where the “sure bet” money is over anything.

Jaysonie wrote..
The so called issues that you keep bringing up are nit picks, no real criticisims. Your making mountains out of mole hills.

-Get enough mole hills and you have a serious problem.

I’m trying to understand why so many people don’t see both games like a few of us by trying to get some real dialog on at least a few of the issues I have with ME2.

But hey, I wont waste your or anyone’s time anymore. With the constant troll attacks on people who have an opinion about a game that ruffles their feathers its just not worth my time.

I leave you with the forum troll prayer.

“Oh hear me oh mighty BioWare Gods. Smite down those that blaspheme against your holy scripture. Silence them for they do not know what they say. Give us the power to destroy the heretics before they can spread their lies.”

Hey heres a little bit of advice, don't like the game then don't play it. Simple. Don't buy ME3 either if all you're going to do is complain non stop.

[Kenrae]

I loved ME1.



I love ME2 even more. The companions are extremely better fleshed out, the game is more difficult (which was sorely needed) and I got gosebumps on every corner of the story, whether the main story or the companions quests (and let's not talk about how much better these quests are compared to the first part). Besides, every small decision you make on ME1 carries out one way or another, be it by a received email, a person you you meet somewhere or the overall situation being different depending on your actions on the first part. Do you know how difficult it is to take so much possibilities into account while making a game? I've never seen anything like that anywhere.

For me, Bioware has gone to the right direction with ME2. Good job guys.

[GeometricLol]

newcomplex wrote...

yoomazir wrote...

newcomplex wrote...


Let me break it to you.    ME1 was a buggy game with broken combat mechanics, that many bioware fans derrided as catering to the "fps kiddies" like Jade Empire had supposedly done, completely removing stats from weapons, and removing an inventory system, leaving only an "equipment" system.    The regiments and miscellaneous items from past bioware games was replaced by  a then percieved as "dumbed down" version of medigel and omnigel, which were regarded as completely superfluous and brain dead.     In addition, its dialogue system was regarded as a joke by hardcore BG/Kotor/NWN bioware fans that retarded character development.     Its side missions were lauded as filler content in contrast to the rich side quests of the BG, Kotor and NWN universes.

This was the common consensus among people like you for ME1.   

If you viewed ME1 was the pinnacle of RPG design, you are retarded.   

Ain 't you the smart one? it's very nice of you mentioning all those games since I've played all of them, I could mention also  Fallout 1&2, Icewind dale and the best rpg ever made : Planescape Torment.  So, I am well aware how ME rpg part was toned down compared to these games but his sequel his far far far  worse: IT HAS NO RPG FEELING AT ALL !. could you tell me how ME2 is an improvement sicne you practically put this game to be the best thing you ever had in your whole life?

So your blathering about ME1 being the best thing ever is blatantly false, even according to yourself.   You yourself agree that compared to classical RPG from the late 90s and turn of the century, Mass Effect is incomparable in terms of the shear depth of the RPG elements.

So that begs the question. if ME1 was a failure of an RPG, AND a failure of a shooter, why on earth would you hold such high expectations towards Mass effect 2?    Mass Effect 2 is the natural trajectory of Mass effect 1.     Mass Effect 2 streamlines and improves everything that was worth improving about Mass Effect 1, and removes all that was not worth improving.    The only reason one would ever play Mass Effect 1, in all its broken, invalid combat and hastily designed sidequests was to experience the cinematographic experience of the well written plot, and to interact with the universe and the characters.     These elements are all clearly present in Mass Effect 2, because these were the main point of mass effect 1.     

Mass Effect 1 lacked an inventory.    Mass Effect 2 had an equipment screen.     It was NOT an inventory, because inventory requires the presence of items, not just weapons and armor.    Inventory was removed in favor of dumbing down regiments, blueprints, etc etc into medigel and omnigel.     However, the inventory fails at its centric design purpose of streamlining the gameplay, instead requiring you to do intense, mindless micromanaging on weapons that essentially only had numeric stat values, as opposed to dynamically managing weapons that have a variety of different functions and proficiencies.    

Mass Effect 2 removes this tedium by removing the onslaught of superflous weapons.     Mass Effect 2 lacks an inventory because Mass Effect 1 never had one.      Mass Effect 2 address the imbalanced, depthless combat, and the superflous skills by adding variety.    Not a single person has made the case that Adepts skills are too similar, while the forums were flooded by them in ME1.    Not a single person has made the case that skills are too similar to each other in ME2.   

At the same time, Mass Effect 2 preserves the core integral storytelling experience of ME1, and more fleshed out side quests.      It is the natural trajectory of a game like ME1, because ME1 was essentially a dumbed down RPG with many design flaws.    ME2 simply removes though design flaws.    You are expecting ME1 to do a complete 180, an completely illogical expectation.   

To draw an analogue, it would be like expecting the sequel to say, civilization, to be in real time, to address the complaints of it "being too slow".       That would be a completely illogical expectation because civilization was designed ground up to a turned base game, just like how mass effect 1 was designed ground up to be a dumbed down RPG.    

Their would be no expectation that ME2 would be anything other then the continuation of the trend presented in ME1.    Why would expect a reversale of the trend proves that you are likely afflicted with Down Syndrome.      To further the point, if you dislike Mass Effect 2 on the grounds if it being an incomplete RPG experience, that implies you are mentally retarded enough to think Mass Effect 1 was a complete RPG experience.    Which it clearly was not.   



Now to clarify, this isn't to mean that all people who dislike ME2, or all people who want the return of dropped weapons back into Mass Effect are retarded.    I disagree with that assertion, but I think its a little bit valid.



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And why the **** will you have hope for Alpha Protocol and New Vegas?    Fallout 3 was literally devoid of all the complexity in the previous games, in fact, I would argue it in more depthless and retarded then Mass Effect 2.     You lack skills, and the only viable skill is charisma.    Weapons themselves are more or less as limited as Mass Effect 2.    Plus, it lacks all the storytelling and virtual acting awesomeness that Mass Effect 2 has, and the plot was a laughable joke.    Getting excited for New Vegas is exactly the kind of retardation that got you ranting here in the first place.    Alpha Protocol looks exactly like Mass Effect without skills, and with drastically less dialogue and plot.     Their is also no squadmates, so their will be no squad interactions either, a key selling point of ME2.    Their is no reason why either of those games will be even vaguely live up to your retarded RPG standards.    

you took the words right out of my mouth, well said indeed

[Tazzmission]

Kaitheus wrote...

If the OPs ganna b*tch about something b*tch about the fact we can't go back to almost none of the places we went to in ME1. In ME2 I expected we'd have that chance but then after playing about 5 hours in, I started to notice we couldn't. Take the Citadel for example oO limited to a few lvls ? we can't even explore the precidium ! Over all ME2s a great game I even liked the ammo clip idea as it is based on magnetic ballistics which mind you do exist there just experimental... Also about the (There's no OmiGel!) I'm glad that is gone as I remember near the endgame in ME1 I'd start getting some nice gear only to find out I need to meltdown something that Ooh maby I didn't want to do that too >.>. But other then the game not being more open ended from ME1 an a few minor details (irrelevant really) ME2 was a great game.

did you ever use the bought star maps? i for some reason cant find the places where i wanna go cause i bought 2 of them at the citadel

[Hejhej1234]

I gotta disagree. I play Mass Effect (both) mainly for the story, which is mind-numbingly good.

IMO, the second one is by far the more exciting and thrilling, mainly due to the fact that you get to investigate more alien environments.

It turned some of the scifi-action-block-buster-feel from the first game into a more horror-thinky-feel with the second. I love it.

[GeometricLol]

if bioware actually listened to all the idiots yammering for more ME1 qualities, ME3 is going to be lame, so stfu



entire arguments for "why ME1 > ME2" can be dissected and thoroughly owned point for point, so if any of you ME2 haters hate it so much, just dont play it and go back to playing ME1 that is so awesome, huh.....

[incinerator950]

Darth Drago wrote...

Sinophile wrote...

Thank you infinitecute for being the only person to have read my post. BTW, how do you post gifs on this forum? I see no "add pic" button.

-I read it but felt no reason to say anything since half of it was pretty much putting down everyone who isn’t well off like you and your family seem to be. But hey great for you.

Why don’t you go play Mass Effect 1 before you completely gun him down and everyone else who didn’t like all the changes that were made.

For the record my first system was the Atari 2600. Unlike apparently the masses of short attention spanning twits, I prefer to get quality and quantity out of a game (or anything) that cost me $60. Most companies just don’t understand that anymore. They prefer to go with where the “sure bet” money is over anything.

Jaysonie wrote..
The so called issues that you keep bringing up are nit picks, no real criticisims. Your making mountains out of mole hills.

-Get enough mole hills and you have a serious problem.

I’m trying to understand why so many people don’t see both games like a few of us by trying to get some real dialog on at least a few of the issues I have with ME2.

But hey, I wont waste your or anyone’s time anymore. With the constant troll attacks on people who have an opinion about a game that ruffles their feathers its just not worth my time.

I leave you with the forum troll prayer.

“Oh hear me oh mighty BioWare Gods. Smite down those that blaspheme against your holy scripture. Silence them for they do not know what they say. Give us the power to destroy the heretics before they can spread their lies.”

We did play Mass Effect One, the majority of us did enjoy it, but we're enjoying ME 2 more.  Again, it's a matter of opinion, from what I've seen, the people who enjoy there game don't spend the day *****ing about it on a forum, where as the vocal people usually trying to debate, or complain, are the ones talking about it.















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[incinerator950]

God ****ing damnit it's doing it again.

[Canned Bullets]

Its probably because you hyped it.

[Sinophile]

mrfinke wrote...

RE0305 wrote...
Well if you get it for free, then why complain about it? If you made the choice of paying for the game with your money to support the company that made the game, you have the right to complain if you aren't getting the expected gratification for your investment. However, if you make no investment, and are getting even a level of gratification you should be happy, because you have just gotten something for nothing.

This. People who pirate copies shouldn't be complaining. I
don't know whether this guy did or not, but if he did than he isn't a true
bioware fan in the first place. Imo real fans are supportive, even if they
don't necessarily agree with everything that's in the game. Besides, how are
they supposed to make better games if you steal from them?

The OP claimed to have purchased the game legally online earlier in this topic. I've had trouble getting MWN2 gold registered on my old account for some reason.

[SithLordExarKun]

That's what he claimed but i don't believe him.

[artakartel]

I remember saying that most of the game would be recruiting your motley crew and playing Sesame Street with them, with one or two snippets of plot before a short mission shoehorned in at the end.



You guys said, "trust the devs!"



You were wrong.

[PhoenixBlacke]

Look people, all of you that have nothing but good things to say can say all you want, but the other group that is unsatisfied can't say anything? How else do you expect games to get better? Maybe some of you don't know that game developers recruit normal people like us to look at their game and give their honest opinions. Quite frankly, after paying 60 dollars for a game, I'm going to say how I feel about it. If you don't like it, then YOU pay for my game. Anyways though, I feel the same as the thread starter. The whole game is recruiting people then making them loyal. It's short, and the longest part is scanning planets. You end up with tons of resources you can't even use.

There's only like 20 guns in the whole game, you have to go to the ship to change armor, which is crap. I was joking with my buddy and said watch, part 3 will be a FPS. Their slowly taking away what makes Mass Effect so great. Sure the shooting is great but at what cost? It feels less like a sci-fi rpg and more like a shooter. I just got the game a few days ago, and beat it already, disappointed and about to put part 1 back in. I did like though how they integrated people that you interacted with from part 1 in this. Kinda feels like an inside joke. In my opinion though, there could have been alot more stores, gear (armor as well) and weapons. That's my 2 cents, I still love Bioware, nothing personal. Just 1 was a better overall game.

[tenshi_no_hone]

Everyone's complaining because K0braTh0r is on a bit of a witch hunt - you're only a true Bioware fan if you agree with him. No wonder everyone is annoyed by him.



@K0braTh0r - If being a true gamer means seeing even the minor flaws in a great game, can you please recognise that ME1 was also a flawed game, and that ME2 in spite of it's own flaws has improvrd greatly on most of those issues. Or is the grass always greener on the previous game?



Being a good gamer also means being able to accept change rather than expecting carbon copy sequels

[Tasker]

I haven't read the full thread as a quick skim through shows a lot of the posts to be hate-mongering for or against the OP. As I don't really want to take part in a slagging off match i'm just going to base my reply on only having read the original post.

These are just my opinions.


ME2 is a dissapointment when compaired to ME1 but that doesn't make it a bad game.

Both games are flawed in their own ways and both games have a hell of a lot of them.
 
There are too many drastic changes to ME2 when compaired to ME1, ME1 had a flow and felt alive.

ME1 had a more compelling story to it and was a more epic and richer experiance to play than ME2, it just needed a surgeons scalpel to fix the things that were wrong with it, instead they used a meat cleaver.

Uncharted worlds, the inventory system, leveling up, elevators, etc... were all flawed and all needed a bit of tweaking but they didn't need the butchering that they recieved. Hell, we even suggested means of fixing things on the old forums that if implemented would have made ME2 a fantastic game but we still ended up with what we got.

The devs behind ME2 seem to have tried to fix the things that didn't really need fixing and remove those that did.

Infact, the whole game comes across as if they didn't have time to finish it and were forced to push it out the door for some reason, which is unusual for Bioware as they always used to say " We'll release it when it's finished". Well, if they class ME2 as finished then God help up when it comes to ME3.

ME2 did do some things right, the combat, biotics, graphics, cinematics, but they are far outweighed by the botch up job they did on fixing everthing else.



All that may come across as very negative, but I just want to point out that I did enjoy playing ME2, just nowhere near as much as ME1 and it has to be the weakest game Bioware have released to date.

Despite it's flaws I've finished ME1 at least 20 times and can easily see me going back and finishing it a few more, ME2 i'll probably ditch for good after my third, and i'm only doing that to finish off the achievements.

Modifié par Orkboy, 21 février 2010 - 10:06 .

[MPaBkaTa123]

Orkboy wrote...

I haven't read the full thread as a quick skim through shows a lot of the posts to be hate-mongering for or against the OP. As I don't really want to take part in a slagging off match i'm just going to base my reply on only having read the original post.

These are just my opinions.


ME2 is a dissapointment when compaired to ME1 but that doesn't make it a bad game.

Both games are flawed in their own ways and both games have a hell of a lot of them.
 
There are too many drastic changes to ME2 when compaired to ME1, ME1 had a flow and felt alive.

ME1 had a more compelling story to it and was a more epic and richer experiance to play than ME2, it just needed a surgeons scalpel to fix the things that were wrong with it, instead they used a meat cleaver.

Uncharted worlds, the inventory system, leveling up, elevators, etc... were all flawed and all needed a bit of tweaking but they didn't need the butchering that they recieved. Hell, we even suggested means of fixing things on the old forums that if implemented would have made ME2 a fantastic game but we still ended up with what we got.

The devs behind ME2 seem to have tried to fix the things that didn't really need fixing and remove those that did.

Infact, the whole game comes across as if they didn't have time to finish it and were forced to push it out the door for some reason, which is unusual for Bioware as they always used to say " We'll release it when it's finished". Well, if they class ME2 as finished then God help up when it comes to ME3.

ME2 did do some things right, the combat, biotics, graphics, cinematics, but they are far outweighed by the botch up job they did on fixing everthing else.



All that may come across as very negative, but I just want to point out that I did enjoy playing ME2, just nowhere near as much as ME1 and it has to be the weakest game Bioware have released to date.

Despite it's flaws I've finished ME1 at least 20 times and can easily see me going back and finishing it a few more, ME2 i'll probably ditch for good after my third, and i'm only doing that to finish off the achievements.

And yet you're hatemongering as well.To the people supporting the OP though and to that guy who's name i forget claiming that ME1 was (TEH GRATEST GAM EVA!) :

You do know that when ME1 came around the old forums were crowded by people complaining about how it is not an RPG, the Mako was evil, and its shooter elements. Yet that same crowd sucked it up and enjoyed the game in the end. Now those same people have come to whine about ME2, and in a good few months from now or even a year at most they will shut up and play it just like they did with ME1.

As for my opinion, ME1 was a very fun and immersive, yet flawed , game. ME2 was the logical continuation of the idea and although it has its flaws (Bring back the weapon mods!) it was even better.

[IbramSkyheart]

I haven't read the entire thread... but it's probably safe to say it follows the path of every single other complaint thread, but I'll apologise in advance if I cover anything someone else has brought up.



The main problem with these threads is that usually the OP and those agreeing with them are of the opinion that their opinion is Gospel, while everyone else is wrong. Telling people that if they disagree with your post they "obviously" don't play BioWare games and "obviously" don't know what they're talking about.



Personally I loved ME2 and would make very few changes to it if I could, none of which are listed in the OP. But I'm not going to tell you you're flat out wrong because of that, like you've been doing to others. You're entitled to your opinion, we're entitled to ours. You don't like the game, others love it. Deal with it and stop expecting others to conform to your opinion.



And the fact that you think BioWare is going to read the OP and think "Holy f**k he's right, let's go change everything he hates!" is just plain arrogant. The majority of people in this type of thread will probably agree with the OP, I'll give you that, but why? Because while you're disgruntled with the game and spamming the forums with this stuff, the majority of people who love it are actually playing it, like myself. I rarely bother posting in these threads, but it gets to a point where "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" just p****s people off.

[klmg8]

OP is stupid he sounds very annoying and self righteous "you are a bad player if you don't' agree with me DERP"



Imma complain for the sake of complaining.



If you did pirate the game by the way i hope they catch you and make you pay $1 000 000 in damages like they did the man who uploaded the wii game.

[Vlud]

Mass Effect 2 : brilliant writing , superb voice acting , and beautiful level design



Other than that , too bad BW decided to **** themselves by making every part of the game(except the ones above) extremely shallow , so the game would be accessible to every idiot in the galaxy.

And the mission complete screen ... WTF ??? It perfectly shows us what they wanted to do with this game.



ME2 would have been a huge hit even without all the dumb people buying the game because how accessible it is , I am insulted that us hardcore gamers need to put up with this crap.



I'll just stick with Dragon Age , until you turn that too into something every taylor swift fan can play.

Get ready to market what comes after DA : A to 10 year olds , because this is where you are heading(EA will show you the right path).



p.s. you can't even admit you screwed up bigtime with the armors where the helmet stays on during conversations

[Solid N7]

Kobra, all the whinners have the right to complain about the game only if they bought it and you are a ****ing thief so stop complain about something you didn´t buy ****ing rat