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[SithLordExarKun]

TJSolo wrote...



Apparently you don't read because Yoomazir started in the thread just stating his dismay with what ME2 lacked and corrected some people misconceptions that sales = quality.

Alas bashing them due to the fact their opinions differ from his.

TJSolo wrote...
Yoomazir was debating point for point, he was not attacking people that like the game he was making points of what he didn't like about ME2.

Apparently you don't read because Yoomazir has attacked several members in other threads when people replied to his post as to why they disagree with him and why they like ME2.

TJSolo wrote...
Yoomazir was not rude or insulting until others started to personally attack him instead of countering his points.

Because he attacked them before they attacked him, read the other threads my friend, you obviously weren't here long enough.

TJSolo wrote...
Since you didn't agree with him, instead of looking at the validity of his points or trying to counter him.
You went directly to attacks on the person instead of points.

Because telling him that he gets butt hurt over someone elses opinion means i went on to directly attack him. But then you of course came along and tried to call me out in the process, doesn't that mean you tried to attack me as well? Oh say what? I smell a hypocrite....

TJSolo wrote...
You're still doing it.

Becuse you constantly attack me throwing accusations without backing them up.

TJSolo wrote...
I don't logically see how having some negative opinions on ME2 makes someone a social reject

Wow! Someone doesn't know how to read, no where did i say he is a social reject because he didn't like ME2! I called him a social reject for his attitude and nasty remarks against people that liked ME2 and disagreed with him!

You see, you're doing it again and again, you constantly attack, assume, accuse and never prove a damn thing.

TJSolo wrote...
but that is your logical fallacy it is not for me to understand why you need fallacies to make a point.

Talk about "logical fallacies" when you constantly accuse some one of making statements he never made in the first place, throwing around the burden of proof and constantly attack the positions the said person never made.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 25 février 2010 - 07:44 .

[TJSolo]

You are again in correct and viewing things very jaded.

Yoomazirs first post in this thread about about 5 points of ME2 and was a quoted counter without ANY attacks on a poster.



You see attacks as you please, if you were objective one of the people in this thread that was most insulting was November Cousland and the poster that admitted to pirating the game.

Yoomazir was not, and in the threads I have seen has not been the instigator.

You have been attacking people in this thread since page one.



I am not sure why you are saying he attacks people that like ME2, when he is a player that likes ME2. All he does is make points of what he thinks should be better in ME2, while you are the one that comes along and takes general criticism about ME2 at some kind of personal attack.



I offer proof but you turn a blind eye, ignore it, and then continue making inaccurate statements and attacks.

[SithLordExarKun]

TJSolo wrote...

You are again in correct and viewing things very jaded.
Yoomazirs first post in this thread about about 5 points of ME2 and was a quoted counter without ANY attacks on a poster.

You see attacks as you please, if you were objective one of the people in this thread that was most insulting was November Cousland and the poster that admitted to pirating the game.
Yoomazir was not, and in the threads I have seen has not been the instigator.
You have been attacking people in this thread since page one.

I am not sure why you are saying he attacks people that like ME2, when he is a player that likes ME2. All he does is make points of what he thinks should be better in ME2, while you are the one that comes along and takes general criticism about ME2 at some kind of personal attack.

I offer proof but you turn a blind eye, ignore it, and then continue making inaccurate statements and attacks.

Respond to PM. I already specifically stated he seemingly attacked other people in other threads. I am not talking about this thread, you keep getting it wrong.  Infact if you knew how to open your eyes you would have realized that he trolled another forum member calling him a retard just because he liked the idea of thermal clips in ME2 and liked ME2 not having an inventory system(Look at page 16).

But i am done with this thread, settle it via PM please.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 25 février 2010 - 08:20 .

[JMorris85]

the fact that some people can get so angry over criticism of a game they enjoy is astounding. i advise growing up.

[DomerPyle]

JMorris85 wrote...

the fact that some people can get so angry over criticism of a game they enjoy is astounding. i advise growing up.

THIS

you have to admit, though, it is pretty lulzy to watch.

[MPaBkaTa123]

This thread should be stickied if only so these threads are never made again. They are redundant everything that can be said has been repeated many, many times and the discussion has devolved into a flamewar between "haters" and "fanbois".

[MPaBkaTa123]

This thread should be stickied if only to prevent these threads from crowding the forum with their redundancy. Seriously everything you can say has been said what was once a decent discussion is now a flamewar in which both sides think the others are morons who can't grasp the truth.

Edit:Double post sorry.

Modifié par MPaBkaTa123, 25 février 2010 - 08:25 .

[JMorris85]

DomerPyle wrote...

JMorris85 wrote...

the fact that some people can get so angry over criticism of a game they enjoy is astounding. i advise growing up.

THIS

you have to admit, though, it is pretty lulzy to watch.

its not. its just stupid. there is nothing constructive about trying to shout down people with honest criticisms. and whats probably an even more waste of time is engaging these people. why feed the flames? some people just dont warrant attention.

[SurfaceBeneath]

JMorris85 wrote...

DomerPyle wrote...

JMorris85 wrote...

the fact that some people can get so angry over criticism of a game they enjoy is astounding. i advise growing up.

THIS

you have to admit, though, it is pretty lulzy to watch.

its not. its just stupid. there is nothing constructive about trying to shout down people with honest criticisms. and whats probably an even more waste of time is engaging these people. why feed the flames? some people just dont warrant attention.

To be fair, the sword cuts both ways. Some people get upset when a game they liked is criticized, but there is an equal number of people on the other side complaining when anyone says anything nice about the game.

[SithLordExarKun]

JMorris85 wrote...

DomerPyle wrote...

JMorris85 wrote...

the fact that some people can get so angry over criticism of a game they enjoy is astounding. i advise growing up.

THIS

you have to admit, though, it is pretty lulzy to watch.

its not. its just stupid. there is nothing constructive about trying to shout down people with honest criticisms. and whats probably an even more waste of time is engaging these people. why feed the flames? some people just dont warrant attention.

If its me you are referring to, i didn't shoot down the other guy because of his criticisms, it was his attitude towards people that enjoyed the game.

[JMorris85]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

JMorris85 wrote...

DomerPyle wrote...

JMorris85 wrote...

the fact that some people can get so angry over criticism of a game they enjoy is astounding. i advise growing up.

THIS

you have to admit, though, it is pretty lulzy to watch.

its not. its just stupid. there is nothing constructive about trying to shout down people with honest criticisms. and whats probably an even more waste of time is engaging these people. why feed the flames? some people just dont warrant attention.

To be fair, the sword cuts both ways. Some people get upset when a game they liked is criticized, but there is an equal number of people on the other side complaining when anyone says anything nice about the game.

agreed, equally rediculous.

[JMorris85]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

JMorris85 wrote...

DomerPyle wrote...

JMorris85 wrote...

the fact that some people can get so angry over criticism of a game they enjoy is astounding. i advise growing up.

THIS

you have to admit, though, it is pretty lulzy to watch.

its not. its just stupid. there is nothing constructive about trying to shout down people with honest criticisms. and whats probably an even more waste of time is engaging these people. why feed the flames? some people just dont warrant attention.

If its me you are referring to, i didn't shoot down the other guy because of his criticisms, it was his attitude towards people that enjoyed the game.

i wasnt referring to you, or any specific person. i have no idea what your argueing about with that other guy, and i really dont care. whatever it is, im sure its worth your time & energy.

i was refering to the responses the OP got on the first page (i dont remember what those responders called themselves).

[SurfaceBeneath]

JMorris85 wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

JMorris85 wrote...

DomerPyle wrote...

JMorris85 wrote...

the fact that some people can get so angry over criticism of a game they enjoy is astounding. i advise growing up.

THIS

you have to admit, though, it is pretty lulzy to watch.

its not. its just stupid. there is nothing constructive about trying to shout down people with honest criticisms. and whats probably an even more waste of time is engaging these people. why feed the flames? some people just dont warrant attention.

To be fair, the sword cuts both ways. Some people get upset when a game they liked is criticized, but there is an equal number of people on the other side complaining when anyone says anything nice about the game.

agreed, equally rediculous.

Absolutely. Nerds are historically very intolerant of Nerds with slightly different opinions.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Sort of like religious people almost.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Its funny how the OP presented his criticisms in a very objective manner without out right bashing the game, and instantly for 19 pages got jumped on for not out right loving what is a very stripped down sequel. Personally I agree with the OP, ME2 was alright, nowhere near as good as the first game though.

[EtherD]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

EtherD wrote...

I could not help myself but I find it a bit funny how the OP complains bout the ammo issue. Which opens up to the simple fact and statement of... how about you just "don't suck". I love the limited ammo as it creates that nice feel of making every shot count. If your running out of ammo, try aiming better. Even without such sarcasm I'm serious, just get better at the FPS portion and you'll rarely run out of ammo. Even on insanity I'm not starving for ammo.

No. Not 'No, I won't try,' but 'No, it's just not going to happen.' Improvement in this area, for a number of reasons, just isn't going to happen for me, and I doubt I'm completely alone. Practicing to get better would (and has, in other games) lead to exactly one thing: me, frustrated and angry at having wasted hours on trying to 'improve' and yet ending with my character dead on the floor just as often as before I started. There's a reason I don't play shooters, and that's because I play games to have fun, not to go to a job of grinding practice to try to improve a skill that just won't.

ME1 was forgiving enough that it wasn't as relevant - limits based on an overheated weapon rather than ammo, some less aggressive AI, and lack of 'infinite spawning enemies' made for accessible combat for those of us that can't hit the broad side of a barn; hell, I managed it on Normal difficulty, with a couple of combats that required retries. That's my largest issue with the change. I could play the first game through, and I had reasonable expectation because of that that I would be able to play through the second and third installments when they came out. There's usually not quite as large an upheaval with the combat engine, or at least that's not been my experience. However, the changes Bioware made have converged to make it damned difficult for me to play, even on Casual, and telling me to 'aim better' or 'don't suck' isn't helping because those are not options on the table.

I am extraordinarily tired of people suggesting that the solution to the complaints over combat is 'just get better,' or measuring the complaints of others against their own skill level as if it were something everyone can achieve. 'I'm not having problems' is not an answer for those of us who are. Player skill improvement is not always an option, nor should it have to be for a game where player skill was not the deciding factor to combat victory in the first game of a trilogy. I wish Bioware had made it a damned GoW or CoD shooter combat engine in the first game - I would have put it down, and had no expectations of being able to play the other titles in the series. But they didn't, so yeah, you're going to get people complaining.

Alright I will admit perhaps I sounded a bit harsh in that I said "don't suck". I will agree that changing the style of gameplay in a trilogy can certainly create some reasons for ranting. But Bioware has indeed already covered this aspect without a patch or without modding. I don't mean to poke fun but there is a selection just before you begin the game to change the difficulty to a lower setting. Then, you won't need so many bullets to take an enemy down & even if your just spraying the screen with your machine gun your bound to kill them all anyways. Now I'll poke some fun again because throughout this thread I don't believe this has been mentioned yet...

But to help those running out of ammo you have a party of 3. Take yourself, become whatever you want. You've got barriers, shields & armor that enemies use. You also happen to have tech & biotic abilities that counter this. Most missions you can generally tell What your going to be fighting, and thus prepare accordingly (Example: What heavy weapon your bringing). I say prepare but I really mean choose party members that can play against the weaknesses of enemies. Now now I know, sometimes the game does throw a curveball at you and you'll find a random heavy mech or some enemy that happen to join the bad guys cause for whatever reasons. But thats far and few between.
Combine this with having your team focus on your target. Oh and also, go into your options, turn off your party from automatically using their abilities so you can coordinate things better and take out the enemies that need to die first. Heck you can even skill certain party members to give everyone bullets that will work, or you can do it yourself. Tactics help, it's not all about knowing how to shoot. As a final note, if your crying about having to get better at a game and you just can't thats deeply incorrect. Games I played over 10 years ago were difficult, but now are incredibly easy. I thus conclude that I've gotten better at games. I love RTS (Real Time Strategy) games, I was horrible at them to begin with, but now I'd like to say I'm pretty decent at them. I would call that self improvement, even if it is just gaming.
The same rules apply to everything in life. You begin, and improve not because you have to, but simply because once you familiarize yourself with something, you without knowing, get better at it.

So in ending, just start yourself at the shallow end of the pool and don't just jump right into the harder difficulties and then complain because you just can't cut it. Some things take time.

[SurfaceBeneath]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Its funny how the OP presented his criticisms in a very objective manner without out right bashing the game, and instantly for 19 pages got jumped on for not out right loving what is a very stripped down sequel. Personally I agree with the OP, ME2 was alright, nowhere near as good as the first game though.

Funny how you criticize the manner in which the OP was treated but then come out swinging the same way yourself.

OP has a right to express their opinion. You have a right to express your opinion. The people who jumped on the OP have a right to express their opinions. However they're all just opinions. Saying, "I feel that the game was stripped down too much" will provoke a lot less contention than "the game was stripped down"

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Its funny how the OP presented his criticisms in a very objective manner without out right bashing the game, and instantly for 19 pages got jumped on for not out right loving what is a very stripped down sequel. Personally I agree with the OP, ME2 was alright, nowhere near as good as the first game though.

Funny how you criticize the manner in which the OP was treated but then come out swinging the same way yourself.

OP has a right to express their opinion. You have a right to express your opinion. The people who jumped on the OP have a right to express their opinions. However they're all just opinions. Saying, "I feel that the game was stripped down too much" will provoke a lot less contention than "the game was stripped down"

Between the removal of a ton of skills, lack of companion customization, lack of inventory, and a weak upgrade system, just as a few examples, yes I think its pretty factual that the game is indeed stripped down in comparison to ME1.

[JMorris85]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Its funny how the OP presented his criticisms in a very objective manner without out right bashing the game, and instantly for 19 pages got jumped on for not out right loving what is a very stripped down sequel. Personally I agree with the OP, ME2 was alright, nowhere near as good as the first game though.

Funny how you criticize the manner in which the OP was treated but then come out swinging the same way yourself.

OP has a right to express their opinion. You have a right to express your opinion. The people who jumped on the OP have a right to express their opinions. However they're all just opinions. Saying, "I feel that the game was stripped down too much" will provoke a lot less contention than "the game was stripped down"

Between the removal of a ton of skills, lack of companion customization, lack of inventory, and a weak upgrade system, just as a few examples, yes I think its pretty factual that the game is indeed stripped down in comparison to ME1.

agreed.

[MPaBkaTa123]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Its funny how the OP presented his criticisms in a very objective manner without out right bashing the game, and instantly for 19 pages got jumped on for not out right loving what is a very stripped down sequel. Personally I agree with the OP, ME2 was alright, nowhere near as good as the first game though.

Funny how you criticize the manner in which the OP was treated but then come out swinging the same way yourself.

OP has a right to express their opinion. You have a right to express your opinion. The people who jumped on the OP have a right to express their opinions. However they're all just opinions. Saying, "I feel that the game was stripped down too much" will provoke a lot less contention than "the game was stripped down"

Between the removal of a ton of skills, lack of companion customization, lack of inventory, and a weak upgrade system, just as a few examples, yes I think its pretty factual that the game is indeed stripped down in comparison to ME1.

Well it is fun to argue so here we go:
1: Ton of skills: Most of these skills were passives that where boring but necessary since apparently a person who held the defense during the Blitz or won at Torfan can't aim with a pistol. In essence there were not more skills just more required things before you could get the actual skills.

2.Companion customization : I don't really miss my entire party using the same weapons and wearing their cut-and-paste collosus armor do you?

3.Inventory: Yes, the same inventory that people on the old forums cried because of the hundreds of useless guns and armor you had to carry around and sell up until you have infinited money at which point you have to waste lots of time omni-gelling every single useless gun you have, until you have max omni-gel at which point you either sell it off for zero profit or just keep it around.

4.Upgrade system: Unlocking different buffs and functions for different types of weapons as well as unlocking new heavy weapons and special squad upgrades is in my opinion better than having to switch Tungsten Rounds VIII for IX  on every single party member.

P.S : Above is just my personal opinion though people will probably brand me a fanboi and burn me at the stake.
Edit: Made it more readable^_^

Modifié par MPaBkaTa123, 25 février 2010 - 09:12 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Its funny how the OP presented his criticisms in a very objective manner without out right bashing the game, and instantly for 19 pages got jumped on for not out right loving what is a very stripped down sequel. Personally I agree with the OP, ME2 was alright, nowhere near as good as the first game though.

Funny how you criticize the manner in which the OP was treated but then come out swinging the same way yourself.

OP has a right to express their opinion. You have a right to express your opinion. The people who jumped on the OP have a right to express their opinions. However they're all just opinions. Saying, "I feel that the game was stripped down too much" will provoke a lot less contention than "the game was stripped down"

Between the removal of a ton of skills, lack of companion customization, lack of inventory, and a weak upgrade system, just as a few examples, yes I think its pretty factual that the game is indeed stripped down in comparison to ME1.

Well, now see you can't criticize people attacking the OP for stating their opinion as fact if you're just going to do the same.

Don't you people know anything about Interwebz courtesy? Golly gee whizz!

[SithLordExarKun]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Sort of like religious people almost.

Oh no they are far worse if you ask me. Well i personally think they are worse. I have had one tell me "donate money to our church or you won't go to heaven"

[JMorris85]

MPaBkaTa123 wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Its funny how the OP presented his criticisms in a very objective manner without out right bashing the game, and instantly for 19 pages got jumped on for not out right loving what is a very stripped down sequel. Personally I agree with the OP, ME2 was alright, nowhere near as good as the first game though.

Funny how you criticize the manner in which the OP was treated but then come out swinging the same way yourself.

OP has a right to express their opinion. You have a right to express your opinion. The people who jumped on the OP have a right to express their opinions. However they're all just opinions. Saying, "I feel that the game was stripped down too much" will provoke a lot less contention than "the game was stripped down"

Between the removal of a ton of skills, lack of companion customization, lack of inventory, and a weak upgrade system, just as a few examples, yes I think its pretty factual that the game is indeed stripped down in comparison to ME1.

Well it is fun to argue so here we go:
1: Ton of skills: Most of these skills were passives that where boring but necessary since apparently a person who held the defense during the Blitz or won at Torfan can't aim with a pistol. In essence there were not more skills just more required things before you could get the actual skills.

2.Companion customization : I don't really miss my entire party using the same weapons and wearing their cut-and-paste collosus armor do you?

3.Inventory: Yes, the same inventory that people on the old forums cried because of the hundreds of useless guns and armor you had to carry around and sell up until you have infinited money at which point you have to waste lots of time omni-gelling every single useless gun you have, until you have max omni-gel at which point you either sell it off for zero profit or just keep it around.

4.Upgrade system: Unlocking different buffs and functions for different types of weapons as well as unlocking new heavy weapons and special squad upgrades is in my opinion better than having to switch Tungsten Rounds VIII for IX  on every single party member.

P.S : Above is just my personal opinion though people will probably brand me a fanboi and burn me at the stake.
Edit: Made it more readable^_^

1.) i see your point, particuarly about the guns point. but it was an rpg, which is what i wanted, so i never saw this as a negative.
2.) i see your point. but it was an rpg so......lol. i personally enjoyed the build up to the best stuff. & didnt mind my team looking like a.......team.
3.) another good point. but the way to fix the problem with the original inventory was to get rid of it all together? how is that a fix & not simple laziness?
4.) i personally have no problem with the ME2 upgrade system other than the link with planet scanning (which is one of the worst things ive experienced in a game in such a long time that i cant remember anything comparable). then again i didnt have a problem with ME1's upgrade system either.

[Jimmos]

i agree mainly with the op 
in my opinion this game is not  an rpg (i would say a mix adventure/shooter)
also those mini games r very boring
only few skills and a few upgrades to devolep
the replay value is very low for me couse everything turns out exeactly the same exept some dialoges...(but after all  devolpers don't want you to have that ...they want you to buy their next game and it shows)
it seems to me they released this game just becouse ME1 did so well and had good ads to sell the second)
now they made a very casual game
another thing...why is there +18 on the coverbox???(guess another trick to lure mature players...)
the looks r impressive but i think rpg fans like me choose gameplay and game depth over looks....

[MPaBkaTa123]

JMorris85 wrote...

1.) i see your point, particuarly about the guns point. but it was an rpg, which is what i wanted, so i never saw this as a negative.
2.) i see your point. but it was an rpg so......lol. i personally enjoyed the build up to the best stuff. & didnt mind my team looking like a.......team.
3.) another good point. but the way to fix the problem with the original inventory was to get rid of it all together? how is that a fix & not simple laziness?
4.) i personally have no problem with the ME2 upgrade system other than the link with planet scanning (which is one of the worst things ive experienced in a game in such a long time that i cant remember anything comparable). then again i didnt have a problem with ME1's upgrade system either.

Thanks for the reply, there certainly could have been more squad customization (the same way as shepard's armor would be nice enough). I can't think of what can be done about the inventory perhaps a fusion of the two? Or making the guns yourself similar to the armor in ME2. As for 4) Bioware should make a suggestion forum if only so good ideas are not wasted. The Mako's recolored Side Quest Hill planets were dull but the planet probing was even more monotonous if not as frustrating.