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[Arvid.Drak]

K0braTh0r wrote...

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Yea.. we all have our dissapointments.. you say you're a bioware fan soley based on SWKOTOR? You're nothing. Every game will have its huge dissapointments.. but whining and generally being an annoying OP isnt going to change anything?

Want to shape a game? Get in the field. Join BETAs, surveys, and focus groups when the game is in conception. Not part of anything? Take what you are given.

[leeboi2]

no, simple as.

[addiction21]

lukandroll wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

lukandroll wrote...


I see where you're coming from but, that's exactly why I believe ME2 is more a shooter than Action RPG like its predecesor. The chance to hit a target is not represented on the character talents, but yours as a player, that's wrong from a role playing aspect; because you are "role playing" yourself, and not the character.
I dont have to go too far away for this, for instance, take FALLOUT 3, even when you aim and shoot with a energy weapon, if your character does not have the right amount of "Energy Weapons" talent, he will miss, that's basic gameplay in a action role playing game. Because THE CHARACTER is not skilled enought to use the weapon, in that case It really DOESN'T matter if you are good or not at aiming, that's why you are role playing the character.

And for FO3 that system works very well for FO3. You start out as an inexperianced stupid and you work your way up from there.
In Mass Effect tho my character is the elite of the elite a trained badass that knows which end of the gun the bullets will be coming out and knows how to make sure that bullet will hit what he pointed his gun at.
For me it fits better that in ME2 the character I play is allready a trained expert with his chosen weapons so how succesfull he is in battle is not up too some skill points or dice but how I play the character.
There is also the other part that FO3 in cluded vats another system of the system taking complete controll of your character to decide how successfull its attacks are. ME1 and 2 do not have anything like that and that is the biggest factor in my opinion if a game should include a RNG and the other aspects of the "points go in here and you get better at hitting stuff" systems.
I am rambling now.  I just do not feel that in a system where the computer has nothing else to do with combat that it does more to take away a feeling of immersion for the character you are playing. That after lining up a perfect shot right between a baddies eyes that the computer can get in the way and make you miss because you rolled a 4 when you needed a 5.
I'll just agree to disagree

From that point of view it seems kind of logical, but that train of thought its seems to go along more with the shooters aspects rather than the role playing (speaking of gameplay elements only). I mean, most shooters work like that, most of the time you're some kind of "master chief" who is a total badass in all his talents/stats, so he (The character) basicaly becomes you're doppelganger, but its not his abilities what shines in combat, its yours, thats has writen shooter all over. Yeah I know ME2 is not a pure RPG, but surely ME2 tries to be more of a shooter than an RPG.

Well I was thinking I rambled on a little bit but to be more concise...  my biggest problem with that RNG system in this type of game is that it penalizes the player for doing it right. For example you pop out of cover and have the clear shot that should hit someone in the eye but you miss because your roll sucked.
What I think should of been in the game is the ability to increase your aptitude with certain weapons. Like a assualt rifle skill that increases your rate of fire with the assualt rifle and the ammo capacity or a shotgun skill that would make the spread tighter and add a extra pellet. Something like that.
I think part of my problem is that I was raised to respect and know how to use a gun. Same goes for the eight years I served in the military. I point at something with a gun I know where that bullet is going to go. Nothing in ME1 pissed me off more then to have a enemy dead to rights and to miss because there was some secret dice roll going on.

[Tobebech1307]

K0braTh0r wrote...

I know how to find and study different aspects of video-games so thouroghly that nobody would like me as a beta-tester, because they might have to bring a lot of changes to the game if not to totally remake it.

When I said I am a hardcore gamer, I didn't just ment that I played a LOT of games and that's that. A hardcore gamer has an eye for every flaw no matter how small or unimportant, knows how to criticise a game and recognises all the aspects good and bad.

All the pc-users that said they liked ME2 or considered themselves hardcore gamers, they aren't, just desperate fanboys that some didn't even admit they ignored most of it's flaws. As for magazine reviewers, I really don't know what are they paid for, because giving this game 9-9,5 is just dumb and unproffessional, but again they might not want to get their customers angry or have spoken to some EA Marketing officials.

I get i now, everyone who don't agree with you are not hardcore gamers, everyone who does are. I can see your point. 
Your argument of hardcore gamers mentioning every flaws falls flat, when you says mass effect was near perfect. There were a lot of flaws in the first one, there were a lot of flaws in the second one, there are a lot of flaws in all games, but what makes a game good is when the good things outshine the flaws, both mass effect games have done that.

[MajorStranger]

The only hardcore thing you are K0braTh0r is a hardcore assh0le, a Hardcore scammer, a hardcore douche bag. So I ask you: would you hardcoredly STFU?

Modifié par MajorStranger, 27 février 2010 - 04:38 .

[ResidentNoob]

Oh, for ****'s sake, it's this thread again: Another moron who won't stop whining just because ME2 didn't live up to his expectations.



Seriously, OP, just accept that almost everyone else on the forum thinks that ME2 was awesome.



If the pro game reviewers think that it deserves a 9.5 or so, then what the hell do you know?

[eguaxpppympgg22q]

 why dont you go kill yourself for your sacrilege 

[M 3 i m 0 n]

Ok maybe K0bra is not a pro gamer. But this isn't the problem. The "problem" is ME2.

"Another moron who won't stop whining just because ME2 didn't live up to his expectations."

I don't think u're right (imho). Did u read the first page? Can u understand what Kobra is speaking about?



"So I got totally shocked when I saw AMMO on my weapons ... I was like "WTF?!?" I thought it's only for the moment, maybe the pistol was damaged or something, but as I advanced in the game I saw it was made this way and with all due respect BioWare, this was the biggest and idiotic thing EVER to see in a production with your signature. This leads to the major problem, you decided to make this game more of an FPS-Action Game than an RPG-Action Game, but then I thought, heck even in FPSs' you have bigger ammo limit to carry than in this game, even with upgrades. So what was the point for this ? Just another great idea ?"

"-extremely simplified storyline, totally predictable and very, very simple (reffering to the main and only plot, the one that matters...);

- extremely simplified RPG component;

- extremely simplified market (buying items without the possibility to sell them?!?);

- extremely simplified and even badly modified inventory and squad equip screen (I can't dress up my team anymore?);

- simplified romantic scenes (after what everybody saw in ME 1 it is clear they expected the same in the 2nd part, although this is not a critical dissapointment);"

"- what happened to omnigel? why can't I choose decoding using omnigel? you added planetary scanning...to make the game longer by boring players to death? couldn't an omnigel scan been easier? again I guess another great idea to take Omnigel out;

- you added fuel and probes to buy via fuel depots, great, but why can't we sell the minerals to the depots to make some credits? and the Normandy uses fuel only when it travels in the Nebula but not when it travels inside a Solar System or when it uses a Mass Relay?"



Can u see what i'm speaking about? Maybe my eyes are differents...

[lukandroll]

ResidentNoob wrote...

Oh, for ****'s sake, it's this thread again: Another moron who won't stop whining just because ME2 didn't live up to his expectations.

Seriously, OP, just accept that almost everyone else on the forum thinks that ME2 was awesome.

If the pro game reviewers think that it deserves a 9.5 or so, then what the hell do you know?

I can't tell enought how wrong your moral compass is... please, you don't want to discuss fine, leave, but don't waste storage space trolling like that

[ShamieGTX]

K0braTh0r wrote...

Hello there dear Mass Effect fans. I have played Mass Effect mainly because it was signed by BioWare and I loved SW KOTOR and Jade Empire so I was sure it was going to be a very good game. I was wrong. It got me stunned so hard, that I couldn't let it go until I finished it. I think Mass Effect is one of the greatest games EVER made.

Due to the amazing experience and storyline from Mass Effect, incredible gameplay and great RPG structure, I had huge expectations from ME2, expected to ****** my pants at first launch ... But instead a bitter-sour taste came into my mouth...





There are a lot of stupid and badly implemented stuff in the game, if I can
remember them all, I'll edit my post, of course if it isn't deleted for
making a bad image to the game. I have a lot of PC-games playing
experience and as a devoted fan to BioWare's RPGs, to avoid future mistakes, especially
on ME3 I would like to tell you my point of view, even if you'd take notice of it or not.

So I got totally shocked when I saw AMMO on my weapons ... I was like "WTF?!?" I thought it's only for the moment, maybe the pistol was damaged or something, but as I advanced in the game I saw it was made this way and with all due respect BioWare, this was the biggest and idiotic thing EVER to see in a production with your signature. This leads to the major problem, you decided to make this game more of an FPS-Action Game than an RPG-Action Game, but then I thought, heck even in FPSs' you have bigger ammo limit to carry than in this game, even with upgrades. So what was the point for this ? Just another great idea ?

Various gameplay, I believe you would like to call, "improvements", right ? just blew this game's chances of being the best game of 2010 and destroyed the hearts (I'm pretty sure I am not the only one severely dissapointed) of BioWare fans.

Some of these are :

-extremely simplified storyline, totally predictable and very, very simple (reffering to the main and only plot, the one that matters...);

- extremely simplified RPG component;

- extremely simplified market (buying items without the possibility to sell them?!?);

- extremely simplified and even badly modified inventory and squad equip screen (I can't dress up my team anymore?);

- simplified romantic scenes (after what everybody saw in ME 1 it is clear they expected the same in the 2nd part, although this is not a critical dissapointment);

- the storyline...a problem of choice they could have easily inserted in the game (even at the beginning when Miranda asks you about your past) I didn't expected to continue the game with the council saved and the galaxy too but it would have been better to give us a choice in this, choosing the councillor without having to upload a savegame for the people that haven't played the first one, to choose who dies on Virmire and again to choose about Wrex being a casualty and not murder as it is seen in ME2 (not a critical dissapointment);

- what happened to omnigel? why can't I choose decoding using omnigel? you added planetary scanning...to make the game longer by boring players to death? couldn't an omnigel scan been easier? again I guess another great idea to take Omnigel out;

- you added fuel and probes to buy via fuel depots, great, but why can't we sell the minerals to the depots to make some credits? and the Normandy uses fuel only when it travels in the Nebula but not when it travels inside a Solar System or when it uses a Mass Relay?

I currently haven't finished the game, but I'm sure I'll be back with something more to say...

In conclusion, I don't know what you tried to do BioWare if it was EA's fault or you just felt it to make some "tests" with one of the most epic games you ever made but to be honest you made this game the biggest dissapointment of the year, and when I mean you, I'm sure the devs know who's responsible, who called the shots...

Please excuse me if my report is too harsh, but I'm sick and tired of seeing games with huge potential and great storyline going to the trashcan...I feel right now like I felt after playing Gothic 1 and 2, when I started the 3rd one...the same taste...bitter-taste...of a huge dissapointment, at least Piranha's Bytes excuse was that they were rushed by the producers, they had to work at least one more year on the Gothic 3 project.

So...what is YOUR excuse BIOWARE ?!?

P.S.: The first Mass Effect felt like playing a game in which you invested not only time and hard work but PASSION too, it had such an unique and thrilling experience that never got you bored not even on planet explorations when Mass Effect 2 makes the impression of just another superficial EA game made without passion or dedication, only to make some more profit, it has very little of the experience that the first one offered, often becoming a little boring.

Shame on you BioWare...shame on you...you've let EA Games get the better of you...

I dont need to read your post, your title allows me to assume my answer...
somebody call the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE! and Go **** someone else...you do realize your just one lousy complainer out of millions of people playing the game BTW...Game Informing Magazines and Sites differ from your ridiculous point of view

[Darth Drago]

There are a more than a few people who don’t like ME2, otherwise topics like this wouldn’t be popping up every day or so. A few of the older topics have been locked by a moderator and redirected to this one as well.

This poll for liking or disliking ME2 is something you should vote in as well. Its not made by me but by someone else and got buried in here about 15 pages back.
http://social.bioware.com/420093/polls/1659/

Modifié par Darth Drago, 27 février 2010 - 06:04 .

[OptimusAlex]

General9999 wrote...

The most stupid decision is to change from overheating weapons to bullets its like walking backwards to technology like go back from future to medieval

except they're not bullets....

[Fifa08]

Personally, I hate this sort of topics. It is based on opinions. That means no possibility to make same relevant conclusion. Everyone will be defending his own opinion and the topic changes into flame war. But if you let me compare Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 1, than I should say, I prefer Mass Effect 2 over Mass Effect 1. For me was ME 1 just endless story with so boring fight system. I have not even finished game more than once because of boring fights and repetitive side missions..On the other side ME1 was pure blooded RPG in space. And thi is not so often to see. ( I am sorryfor my gramer and maybe some poorly chose words, but I am not native speaker)

[M 3 i m 0 n]

Awww Alex, cmon! Now that "bullets" (or what they are supposed to be ) makes me feel like i'm playning an tps The idea of the overheating weapons was great. That was the future!

Modifié par M 3 i m 0 n, 27 février 2010 - 06:37 .

[Jaysonie]

M 3 i m 0 n wrote...

Awww Alex, cmon! Now that "bullets" (or what they are supposed to be ) makes me feel like i'm playning an fps The idea of the overheating weapons was great. That was the future!

FPS=FIRST PERSON SHOOTER!
Mass effect isnt even in first person.

[Jaysonie]

*double post

Modifié par Jaysonie, 27 février 2010 - 06:34 .

[M 3 i m 0 n]

Awww Jay, u're right! It's better if i edit my previous post and write tps! Ok Btw i wrote: "makes me feel like"... i don't speak eng/usa but i hope u can understand what i want to say

Modifié par M 3 i m 0 n, 27 février 2010 - 06:41 .

[Jaysonie]

M 3 i m 0 n wrote...

Awww Jay, u're right! It's better if i edit my previous post and write tps! Ok Btw i wrote: "makes me feel like"... i don't speak eng/usa but i hope u can understand what i want to say

No problem, english isnt my native language either.

[TJSolo]

Fifa08 wrote...

Personally, I hate this sort of topics. It is based on opinions. That means no possibility to make same relevant conclusion. Everyone will be defending his own opinion and the topic changes into flame war. But if you let me compare Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 1, than I should say, I prefer Mass Effect 2 over Mass Effect 1. For me was ME 1 just endless story with so boring fight system. I have not even finished game more than once because of boring fights and repetitive side missions..On the other side ME1 was pure blooded RPG in space. And thi is not so often to see. ( I am sorryfor my gramer and maybe some poorly chose words, but I am not native speaker)

What kind of user post isn't opinion?
ME1 has actual story with eace mission setting the mood more and more, which you don't like. While ME2 is a load of character side storys which don't have many ties with the actual story.
ME1s fight system was just a system that didn't require cover all the time, sort of similar to how game combat was/is treated outside of cover based systems.

[b the jedi]

Its a great game. I just wish I didn't have to keep doing the upgrades everytime I play.

[ChaobSiroc]

b the jedi wrote...

Its a great game. I just wish I didn't have to keep doing the upgrades everytime I play.

+1 That's my only real gripe as well.

[newcomplex]

K0braTh0r wrote...

I know how to find and study different aspects of video-games so thouroghly that nobody would like me as a beta-tester, because they might have to bring a lot of changes to the game if not to totally remake it.

When I said I am a hardcore gamer, I didn't just ment that I played a LOT of games and that's that. A hardcore gamer has an eye for every flaw no matter how small or unimportant, knows how to criticise a game and recognises all the aspects good and bad.

All the pc-users that said they liked ME2 or considered themselves hardcore gamers, they aren't, just desperate fanboys that some didn't even admit they ignored most of it's flaws. As for magazine reviewers, I really don't know what are they paid for, because giving this game 9-9,5 is just dumb and unproffessional, but again they might not want to get their customers angry or have spoken to some EA Marketing officials.

:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O

The sheer ignorance of that statement made me laugh for a good four minutes.

Seriously, get a job or something.  

I love how you "brag" about being a hardcore gamer, when your credentials are playing a lot of RPG's, the most skillless and decadent games in terms of gameplay or skill.     Jokes lol.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 27 février 2010 - 08:13 .

[TJSolo]

newcomplex wrote...

:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O

The sheer ignorance of that statement made me laugh for a good four minutes.

Seriously, get a job or something.  

I love how you "brag" about being a hardcore gamer, when your credentials are playing a lot of RPG's, the most skillless and decadent games in terms of gameplay or skill.     Jokes lol.   

Speaking of ignorant statements, your last post says Hi!