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[cvantez]

Willowhugger wrote...

Habelo wrote...

lol epic parradox willowhugger!

either you are a failing racist or you are a winning troll.

Well I'm of mixed race myself, so it's kind of important to me.

There was a popular stereotype in the turn of the century also, forwarded by many Pulp Writers like Robert E. Howard (to a lesser extent) and Edgar Rice Burroughs (to a far greater extent) that blacks were essentially more savage and vulnerable to falling prey to primitive urges than white people.  Essentially, that blacks were closer to nature and more inclined to be physically agreessive and primitive than white folks.  This is part of the stereotype of the "Powerful Scary Black Man" comes from.

As a note, I don't believe Bioware was racist.   I do think that they used a backdrop that had some racist imagery in it though.

That is a valid observation, but I think the fact that the other officers involved in the abuse of power were (presumably) white and that there are numerous white male "hunters" acting savagely indicates that stereotype probably wasn't fueling the story and that some of the imagery only had passing similarity to past racist imagery, and was not inherently racist in and of itself. I think the context of the story frees it from the traps that turn of the century literature fell into.

[aphelion002]

That adventure was clearly racist. Bioware should have made Jacob's father white and the women on the island all black.

Modifié par aphelion002, 19 février 2010 - 07:45 .

[Willowhugger]

aphelion002 wrote...

That adventure was clearly racist. Bioware should have made Jacob's father white and the women on the island all black.

Oddly, I wasn't that troubled by the adventure itself.  I just think they could have done it as a sidequest with no connection to Jacob Taylor and maybe not a black master villain.  The sexism might still have remained but they could have had FemmShep be a bit more extreme in her reaction.  She seemed somewhat muted to the sexual violence implied the arrangement.

[Jlop985]

Honestly, I didn't think about Jacob or his father being black until people started complaining about it on the internet. Jacob's father is a bastard, that's all. Bastardry is not limited to skin color.

[Remus Artega]

Up until now I found this mission to be about son who is disgusted by his fathers actions... and now the OP put this racism/sexism theory upon it picking up things 98% of people wouldn't even dare to think about and start this stupid discussion about what is racism and what if this does not offend anyone... please mate...enjoy the game and don't focus on such stupid things and if we all could do it the world might be nice place to live in... it is no BLACK master villain... it's just a person that could not handle his responsibilities... end of story

[TerribleTruth]

I'll explain it for you white people who don't understand.

A black guy who isn't a stereotype will cringe any time a black person does anything stereotypical. They want the stereotype to disappear, so any further examples of it are depressing. This comic will explain:

[Lmaoboat]

TerribleTruth wrote...

I'll explain it for you white people who don't understand.

A black guy who isn't a stereotype will cringe any time a black person does anything stereotypical. They want the stereotype to disappear, so any further examples of it are depressing. This comic will explain:

I'm unfamiliar with the "Black guy crashes his spaceship on an planet with the food that makes people stupid, steals that rations, and makes himself a harem and a robot army." sterotype.

Modifié par Lmaoboat, 19 février 2010 - 08:11 .

[Hellebore5000]

TerribleTruth wrote...

I'll explain it for you white people who don't understand.

A black guy who isn't a stereotype will cringe any time a black person does anything stereotypical. They want the stereotype to disappear, so any further examples of it are depressing. This comic will explain:

Haha a friend of mine said those exact words during the DC shooter thing. It didn't work out the same way though for her.

[KainrycKarr]

Congratulations, a thread that previously was only a ridiculous accusation of racism, has become actual racism.

Good work.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 19 février 2010 - 08:17 .

[TerribleTruth]

Lmaoboat wrote...

I'm unfamiliar with the "Black guy crashes his spaceship on an planet with the food that makes people stupid, steals that rations, and makes himself a harem and a robot army." sterotype.

When you describe it like that it sounds totally awesome. That black guy sounds like he's living the dream.
Though you could also describe it as:
"Black guy kills a bunch of people, gets his rape on, and tries to beat the law when he gets caught."

[Maria Caliban]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Racism only exists in your head.

The internet is a great place to learn how clueless people are.

The majority of prisoners on death row are black males. Are you under the impression that if blacks in America suddenly didn't acknowledge that fact, the racism of our judicial system would be fixed?

The majority of heroes in movies, TV series, and books are white. If Asians just ignore that fact, will directors and producers suddenly start introducing Asian leads?

It's been shown time and time again that real estate agents will direct clients with a Hispanic last name or accent to less valuable properties in less desirable areas. If only people followed your head-in-the-sand philosophy, this problem would magically disappear.

Racism and the effects of racism exist on almost every level of society. That you’re oblivious to it doesn’t make it not real.

[wako58]

TerribleTruth wrote...

Lmaoboat wrote...

I'm unfamiliar with the "Black guy crashes his spaceship on an planet with the food that makes people stupid, steals that rations, and makes himself a harem and a robot army." sterotype.

When you describe it like that it sounds totally awesome. That black guy sounds like he's living the dream.
Though you could also describe it as:
"Black guy kills a bunch of people, gets his rape on, and tries to beat the law when he gets caught."

Yeah, kinda how I felt about it.

[wako58]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Racism only exists in your head.

The internet is a great place to learn how clueless people are.

The majority of prisoners on death row are black males. Are you under the impression that if blacks in America suddenly didn't acknowledge that fact, the racism of our judicial system would be fixed?

The majority of heroes in movies, TV series, and books are white. If Asians just ignore that fact, will directors and producers suddenly start introducing Asian leads?

It's been shown time and time again that real estate agents will direct clients with a Hispanic last name or accent to less valuable properties in less desirable areas. If only people followed your head-in-the-sand philosophy, this problem would magically disappear.

Racism and the effects of racism exist on almost every level of society. That you’re oblivious to it doesn’t make it not real.

QFT

[Valmy]

I understand but I guess my question is in fiction. I mean most villians are white to and they do some pretty horrible things. Is it completely unacceptable that anybody who is not a white person be the villian or it is insulting? Is there someway to make a black person a villain in a tasteful way?

[Valmy]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Racism and the effects of racism exist on almost every level of society. That you’re oblivious to it doesn’t make it not real.

Unfortunately this sort of thing seems to be human nature.  Virtually every country in the world will give you some problems if you do not fit the majority.

[Sailears]

I thought it was done quite well, if a little short.

[wako58]

I will also say that I think Bioware is one of the best companies in this business for diversity in interactive entertainment....nobody...and I do mean nobody..does it better. I'm on my third run through this game and I'm still enjoying it.



I appreciate that the majority of you didn't think anything about the mission other than his dad is **** who deserves what he gets. That speaks volumes for how far the world has progressed. The whole Jacob's father pimping out the female crew kinda bothered me though.

[Cutlass Jack]

The whole quest was meant to be disturbing, but I never got the 'racial' vibe from it that others seemed to. Jacob's father just happened to be black. But not all the other officers were. What I did admire was Jacob taking a stand to his father's evil. The point of the quest was to show where Jacob's morals were and in that it succeeded admirably.

[cvantez]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Racism only exists in your head.

The internet is a great place to learn how clueless people are.

The majority of prisoners on death row are black males. Are you under the impression that if blacks in America suddenly didn't acknowledge that fact, the racism of our judicial system would be fixed?

The majority of heroes in movies, TV series, and books are white. If Asians just ignore that fact, will directors and producers suddenly start introducing Asian leads?

It's been shown time and time again that real estate agents will direct clients with a Hispanic last name or accent to less valuable properties in less desirable areas. If only people followed your head-in-the-sand philosophy, this problem would magically disappear.

Racism and the effects of racism exist on almost every level of society. That you’re oblivious to it doesn’t make it not real.

man, people like you suck all the fun out of white male privilege....

Benifiting from fact that men earn more money than women for the same work just isn't enjoyable when you know it exists....

[NuclearBuddha]

Yeah, not seeing how the character's race is a facet of his crime. Unless the viewer is making it a facet, like OP seems to doing.

[KainrycKarr]

Dude, you people are so flippin' sensitive it isn't even funn-ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.



I apologize for being white. Hollywood, Bioware, and Literature are racist.

[shinobi602]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Yeah, not seeing how the character's race is a facet of his crime. Unless the viewer is making it a facet, like OP seems to doing.

This.

[Valmy]

cvantez wrote...
man, people like you suck all the fun out of white male privilege....

Benifiting from fact that men earn more money than women for the same work just isn't enjoyable when you know it exists....

How exactly does that work anyway?  I would like my little male pay boost over my female coworkers one of these days.

Anyway that probably will not last too much longer.  These days women are getting better educated and we are falling behind.  Well I am not I am talking about the rest of you guys.

[The Governator]

Jlop985 wrote...

Honestly, I didn't think about Jacob or his father being black until people started complaining about it on the internet. Jacob's father is a bastard, that's all. Bastardry is not limited to skin color.

That's where I am at.  Human subdivisions are meaningless.  The only races I see are Humans, Quarians, Turians, Asari, Salarians, Elcor, Drell, Hanar, Vorcha, Batarian and Volus.

[Valmy]

wako58 wrote...

I will also say that I think Bioware is one of the best companies in this business for diversity in interactive entertainment....nobody...and I do mean nobody..does it better. I'm on my third run through this game and I'm still enjoying it.

I appreciate that the majority of you didn't think anything about the mission other than his dad is **** who deserves what he gets. That speaks volumes for how far the world has progressed. The whole Jacob's father pimping out the female crew kinda bothered me though.

Well said pal.  Thanks.