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[Railstay]

sergio71785 wrote...

I think it makes sense in the scope of the story.

I think the problem most people have with it, is that they imagine at full growth it'd be like some huge human shaped ship or something. In reality, it would look just like a normal reaper, but with the human looking part at its core.

In reality, as opposed to fiction, which doesn't involve spaceships and aliens that all look suspiciously like animals from Earth.

The theory that the cuttlefish design of the Reapers are simply shells is a weak one.  The Human-Reaper is described as an embryo (embryos grow, they aren't added as part of a bigger structure), and it would be pointlessly inefficient to make a an inferior "core" form to host yourself piloting a superior ship.  Why not simply be the ship?

[Count Viceroy]

Railstay wrote...
The theory that the cuttlefish design of the Reapers are simply shells is a weak one.  The Human-Reaper is described as an embryo (embryos grow, they aren't added as part of a bigger structure), and it would be pointlessly inefficient to make a an inferior "core" form to host yourself piloting a superior ship.  Why not simply be the ship?

Then you'd have a metal superman in space with eye beam lasers. Even more silly.

[Railstay]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The human Reaper was bad enough. But worse was the reasoning that they needed millions of pasted humans to build it. That's silly in so many ways. No, I didn't like the whole thing at all.

Reapers are confirmed as machines of both organic and inorganic material, needing both to grow.  The Human-Reaper is described as an embryo, so it makes sense.  In order to be fully grown, it would need to harvest far more human material in order to reach its apex.  The one we fought at the end of the game was not fully grown yet, thus, the reason why its so small comparative to the other Reapers.

[Gavinthelocust]

It would be cooler if he didn't have an iron man chest.

[Weskerr]

Very interesting results so far. As of right now, 69 people have voted and 36 are of one opinion and 33 are of another. I won't say which opinion has the plurality so as to not influence people who haven't participated yet. Still, it's almost evenly split.

[Ulicus]

I don't think the Human-Reaper was going to look like a giant human skeleton when it was finished.

It was gonna look like this:

 

Modifié par Ulicus, 19 février 2010 - 07:47 .

[Weskerr]

ATKT wrote...

I would vote if there were two middle options--kinda silly and kinda affective. In which case I'd vote kinda silly.

I understand what you're saying, but I didn't want to have muddy results with votes spread thinly across options that are slight variations of the two main options of the poll. Just having the two options produces results that clearly show whether or not people liked the human Reaper - sort of like a yes or no question.

[Weskerr]

ATKT wrote...

I would vote if there were two middle options--kinda silly and kinda affective. In which case I'd vote kinda silly.

I understand what you're saying, but I didn't want to have muddy results with votes spread thinly across options that are slight variations of the two main options of the poll. Just having the two options produces results that clearly show whether or not people liked the human Reaper - sort of like a yes or no question

double post <_<

Modifié par Weskerr, 19 février 2010 - 07:53 .

[The Enkindler]

I think the Reaper was great. It was just what was needed at the end for the big shock of why the collectors needed specifically humans.



It was nice and scary blasting you with it's mouth beam or whatever and I thought the battle was intense - I was just about to run out of heavy ammo when it blew up and that made me feel all the more awesome! I was using my trusty Collector Particle Beam Cannon btw...



I didn't make any connection with Terminator at all during the game. I thought it was interesting to see a different shaped Reaper, since the default seems to be weird crustacean sea creature shaped...

[DaPinkMenace]

I don't see why it had to be human shaped. The story explained it as a sort of trophy for a conquered race but AI don't have emotions. The look o it made me facepalm and kinda took the seriousness out of the game for me.

[JRCHOharry]

holy crap i just made it a 50/50 split.

[cruc1al]

I it a 50/50 too just now. (48 to 48)

[Talogrungi]

Railstay wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think it makes sense in the scope of the story.

I think the problem most people have with it, is that they imagine at full growth it'd be like some huge human shaped ship or something. In reality, it would look just like a normal reaper, but with the human looking part at its core.

In reality, as opposed to fiction, which doesn't involve spaceships and aliens that all look suspiciously like animals from Earth.

The theory that the cuttlefish design of the Reapers are simply shells is a weak one.  The Human-Reaper is described as an embryo (embryos grow, they aren't added as part of a bigger structure), and it would be pointlessly inefficient to make a an inferior "core" form to host yourself piloting a superior ship.  Why not simply be the ship?

It's not a theory. The human reaper, and it's incorporation into the cuttlefish design of a traditionally recognisable Reaper ship is illustrated in the collectors edition art book that came with the Cerberus Network.

[Kampela]

Reaper made of humans (humen )  could have been fine, I quess, but making it look like human skeleton from inside, where no one will ever see it sounds illogical. I really don't care if it is explained by Reapers "culture" or something like that. It just doesn't feel like species of huge cuttle fish dreadnoughts would do.

Modifié par Kampela, 19 février 2010 - 08:17 .

[Gill Kaiser]

If the Reapers had intentionally made the new Reaper in the shape of humans, then yes, it would be a bit campy. But I got the impression that it naturally grew that way, based upon the shape designated by the DNA of of its constituent parts. The Reapers are bastardising the natural development of an organic species. Since it's a larva/foetus, it is extremely undeveloped... so it's quite possible that it would later develop into the familiar cuttlefish form.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 19 février 2010 - 08:19 .

[Abirn]

sergio71785 wrote...

I think it makes sense in the scope of the story.

I think the problem most people have with it, is that they imagine at full growth it'd be like some huge human shaped ship or something. In reality, it would look just like a normal reaper, but with the human looking part at its core.

THe problem is the game doesn't show you a picture,  and only those with the artbook can see it,  For the rest of us who don't have said art book, the only thing we can imagine is a giant superman  flying through space.

[Weskerr]

DaPinkMenace wrote...

I don't see why it had to be human shaped. The story explained it as a sort of trophy for a conquered race but AI don't have emotions. The look o it made me facepalm and kinda took the seriousness out of the game for me.

The only information you get regarding the form and appearance of a Reaper, as far as I remember, is when EDI hypothesizes that Reapers take the form and appearance of the species that is liquified to create them.

This suggests that the form and appearance of each Reaper is not a choice, but a consequence of the method used to create them. As long as Reapers are created in the way that's shown at the end of ME2, they will always look like the species used in their construction as a side effect.

[Talogrungi]

Abirn wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I think it makes sense in the scope of the story.

I think the problem most people have with it, is that they imagine at full growth it'd be like some huge human shaped ship or something. In reality, it would look just like a normal reaper, but with the human looking part at its core.

THe problem is the game doesn't show you a picture,  and only those with the artbook can see it,  For the rest of us who don't have said art book, the only thing we can imagine is a giant superman  flying through space.

This is a fair point; it's really easy to see from the art book picture how the human reaper was intended to be incorporated into the ship shell, but as I suck at sketching and don't have a scanner (that'd probably be copyright infringment anyway) so can't help.

Perhaps someone with a modicum of artistic skill can do a quick replicated sketcheroo.

[medlish]

A Human Reaper is no worse than jumping lizard-like robots (ME1).

[SandTrout]

It definitely gives the first real clues as to the Reaper's motivation and origins. Though the design might have been a bit cliche, does anyone really think most people would have understood the implications as well if it weren't for the human Reaper's appearance?



If nothing else, the story of ME2 answered some of the really big questions we were left hanging with at the end of ME1. What happened to the Protheans? What is the Reaper's motivation? And most importantly, what do you get when you cross a Krogan with an Asari?

[Count Viceroy]

SandTrout wrote...
 And most importantly, what do you get when you cross a Krogan with an Asari?

A green asari obviously.

[Railstay]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Railstay wrote...
The theory that the cuttlefish design of the Reapers are simply shells is a weak one.  The Human-Reaper is described as an embryo (embryos grow, they aren't added as part of a bigger structure), and it would be pointlessly inefficient to make a an inferior "core" form to host yourself piloting a superior ship.  Why not simply be the ship?

Then you'd have a metal superman in space with eye beam lasers. Even more silly.

I don't understand this double standard.  How is this any sillier than a race of sinister, cosmic cuttlefish?

But I do agree the Human-Reaper design could have been done better, or at least less corny.

[Count Viceroy]

Railstay wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Railstay wrote...
The theory that the cuttlefish design of the Reapers are simply shells is a weak one.  The Human-Reaper is described as an embryo (embryos grow, they aren't added as part of a bigger structure), and it would be pointlessly inefficient to make a an inferior "core" form to host yourself piloting a superior ship.  Why not simply be the ship?

Then you'd have a metal superman in space with eye beam lasers. Even more silly.

I don't understand this double standard.  How is this any sillier than a race of sinister, cosmic cuttlefish?

But I do agree the Human-Reaper design could have been done better, or at least less corny.

On some level,tactical and esthetical, the cuttlefish design works as a spaceship. A human doesn't.