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[Wild Still]

You ever fought a cuttlefish, Corebit? The reapers are shaped like them as an homage to their masters, the one species that wupped them so hard they had to move to dark space. If the reapers were as smart as they claim they would be patterned after birds, my finches dig the crap out of some cuttlebone.

[Collider]

Like another poster said, the human reaper looks like the terminator.
Personally, I was fine with the last boss. In a way, the last boss actually was trying to survive the suicide mission along with your compadres.

[Stephenc13]

 I think the human reaper was kinda silly, but think about it, Bioware knows what they're doing. I think it'll make more sense in ME3.

But overall, without further detail, i think it was silly. Cause a humanoid form isnt designed to fly, and it would look pretty damn silly if it did fly, and the effectiveness of a human reaper in a galactic war is useless

[Kaitheus]

Personally I disliked it, at 1st I was like (Well....that's erm familiar...) I was expecting something that looked like a giant over exaggerated Normandy x_X that would have been better or atleast something along those lines lols.

[Wild Still]

Yeah, the idea that the last boss is a three eyed terminator (bad) or a mech (worse) upset me.

[BrotherArdis]

I liked the idea. It was scary to see if for the first time. I didn't even connect it with a terminator before I saw people mention it. Maybe because it didn't act like a terminator, the first moment you see it it's inactive, actually looks sorta like crucified - definitely not a pose associated with terminators. So I like the looks (even though it makes no sense, given that other reapers are all the same and definitely don't resemble their parent species) and the idea.

What ruins it for me is the very fact you have to fight it. I mean, come on... A God damn REAPER?! It's like trying to breach a bunker wall with a pointed stick, even if it's just a larva. And the whole fight itself, really... Why blowing out its vision sensors makes it die? Why doesn't it just sweep the platforms with one hand and throw Shepard's team away instead of emiting some foul breath that can hardly scratch Shepard's shields and generally presenting its weak spots so that Shepard can absolutely positively get a clear shot? Why... Well, everything else. You get me. Why does it all look like a boss fight in a primitive shoot'em up.

So like I said - I like the idea and its consequences for the story, just not the way it was done.

Modifié par BrotherArdis, 20 février 2010 - 03:49 .

[Gill Kaiser]

AntWrig wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

D4rk50ul808 wrote...

It was terrible on a few different levels.

1. Does it REALLY need to be that big? If I was trying to build a human Reaper why wouldn't I make it human sized in case I wanted to use it for infiltration and such. Also they made enough Reapers with the Protheans to darken the sky, yet it takes millions to make one human one?

Nope. Each Reaper is slightly different than the rest and the current prevaliing theory is that once every 50,000 years (or whatever the Reaper cycle is) they pick one worthy race and elevate it by creating a new Reaper in its imagine. It's also hypothesised that the Protheans were the only space-faring race during the last cycle and the Reapers (for whatever reason) found them unworthy/unsuitable for ascension.

No matter what you or other say. There is no justification in seeing a gigantic human looking robot. The comments regarding that it's suppose to be core of the ship is just absurd. The other Reaper ships show no signs of this. So, why are you all trying to justifiy a bad decision, that was made by Bioware.

Like I stated before, I would have rather seen a gigantic computer chip. Yet, I get a cliched T-1000 looking machine.

What the hell is wrong with you? The T-1000 looked like this:



If you can't get even the basics right, you have no right to complain.

[Talogrungi]

corebit wrote...

If the Reapers were absorbing species and creating new Reapers based on that species' shape. Why oh why is the Reaper fleet shown at the end ONLY cuttlefish? They had this extinction cycle going on for millions of years right? It's hard to believe that reapers are all cuttlefish, but they decide to take an exception with the humans.
BTW, cuttlefish design is much more reasonable for a ship design. They are seafaring animals, and most science fiction work treats space as similar to a sea. You have "ships", a group of them called a "fleet", and space military called "navy". Humans bipedal motion which is only suitable for land travel, and one of the worst candidates for aesthetic ship design. Unless you are into terminators flying superman-style of course.

If you look closely at a still of the Reaper fleet shown at the end of ME2, you'll notice that while they are all very similar, there are significant differences. Variations of cuttlefish, if you will. Given that the art book shows how the human reaper was to eventually become a cuttlefish similar (but not identical) to Sovereign .. it makes sense.

The human reaper "larva" doesn't have legs btw, it's cut off at the bottom of the ribcage aside from a spinal column and is then incorporated (or grown into, perhaps) the more traditional Reaper shape.

Pic for convenience:

[The Angry One]

Had to do it.

[Vaenier]

i would like to see the human reaper swimming in space and shooting lasers out of its... ehh nvm...

[Thomas9321]

It was certainly nightmare fuel, and the humanoid monster with orange liquid made me have Neon Genesis Evangelion flashbacks (I insist on calling the stuff in the tubes LCL).

EDIT: Just read something that explained it would eventually become a spaceship of doom, its back to being pure high octane nightmare fuel.

Modifié par Thomas9321, 20 février 2010 - 05:10 .

[Weskerr]

377 people have voted so far and now there's a majority in favor of one of the two options. These results are surprising to say the least. I guess people of one opinion about the end boss are just more vocal on the forums about this topic.

[incinerator950]

The Angry One wrote...



Had to do it.

You win one free internet.

[Railstay]

corebit wrote...

If the Reapers were absorbing species and creating new Reapers based on that species' shape. Why oh why is the Reaper fleet shown at the end ONLY cuttlefish? They had this extinction cycle going on for millions of years right? It's hard to believe that reapers are all cuttlefish, but they decide to take an exception with the humans.
BTW, cuttlefish design is much more reasonable for a ship design. They are seafaring animals, and most science fiction work treats space as similar to a sea. You have "ships", a group of them called a "fleet", and space military called "navy". Humans bipedal motion which is only suitable for land travel, and one of the worst candidates for aesthetic ship design. Unless you are into terminators flying superman-style of course.

Because not all species are optimal candidates.  Case in point, the protheans.  They obviously were failsauce, which was why they were converted into the Collectors.  Presumably no other sapient species that were contemporaries of the protheans were also worthy enough to be converted as well.  In this cycle, it turns out humans are a great candidate for reproduction.

But the real question would be why have this incredibly inefficient sleep and attack cycle when, with all this wealth of technology, you can simply engineer perfect lifeforms to harvest yourself?  And keep a race of workers enslaved to do it all?

[Railstay]

Weskerr wrote...

Railstay wrote...


Like I said again, the wording is very specific.  EDI doesn't draw an analogy.  She calls it an embryo, and we know that this is reliable knowledge because the Reaper IFF also gave her access to Reaper hardware/software.  If you ask her about her security protocols at the end of the game, she reveals that she has adapted to protect herself from Reaper viral attacks and penetrate Reaper firewalls because of the knowledge she gained through the IFF.  This is also how she can speak with authority on confirming a Reaper is present just through scans (in the Collector Base) and also talk about what a Reaper consists of.

Either way, she doesn't use words like "embryo-like".  If Reapers create themselves in the image of the race they harvest, then it makes sense that the process they use would also be consistent.  So the Human-Reaper would, for all intents and purposes, be an embryo that literally grows into full maturity rather than being added on.  Using organic and inorganic material both, of course, as you pointed out.

Also, if Reapers use "core" forms, the Illusive Man would've learned this from the derelict Reaper a long time ago.  For those who have in the past claimed that TIM knows about this "core" and simply witholds the information from Shepard, it would be pretty dumb to keep the galaxy's best hope in the dark about what would be the Reapers' greatest weakness.

I agree with you that people should take the very words of the characters as the basis of their conlusions. This is exactly what EDI says in regards to the word "embryo":  This Reaper appears to be in a very early stage of development. An embryo in human terms.
Here's a youtube link. She says this at 4:54

To me it's clear that she's making the comparison between the human Reaper and an embryo to clarify her first sentence, This Reaper appears to be in a very early stage of development. The clarifying message is that the Reaper, like an embryo, is in an early stage of development.

But she doesn't use the term "like".  She says pretty bluntly that it's an embryo.

Like I said, the other theories don't make sense.  They're simply superfluous.  Why create a Human-Reaper form that serves as the "core" or "pilot"?  Why not just be the ship?  It's incredibly inefficient to waste resources to inhabit some inferior form that will control a superior shell.  Furthermore, why even bother creating this "core" in the likeness of a human?  What would the point be if all you end up being is part of a cuttlefish design anyway?  It's contradicting.  So they don't actually make new Reapers in their own image, because essentially they still look the same.  The origin or decision they arrived at to make cuttlefish-shaped ships would also be pointless as well.

[Gill Kaiser]

Railstay wrote...
But she doesn't use the term "like".  She says pretty bluntly that it's an embryo.

Like I said, the other theories don't make sense.  They're simply superfluous.  Why create a Human-Reaper form that serves as the "core" or "pilot"?  Why not just be the ship?  It's incredibly inefficient to waste resources to inhabit some inferior form that will control a superior shell.  Furthermore, why even bother creating this "core" in the likeness of a human?  What would the point be if all you end up being is part of a cuttlefish design anyway?  It's contradicting.  So they don't actually make new Reapers in their own image, because essentially they still look the same.  The origin or decision they arrived at to make cuttlefish-shaped ships would also be pointless as well.

My impression was that the shape of the Reaper was something that happened naturally as a result of the DNA that was fed into it and the technology that the Reapers were using. It's grown, not constructed.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 21 février 2010 - 07:18 .

[Talogrungi]

This thread can now benefit from the following concept art courtesy of Internet Kraken.

Modifié par Talogrungi, 21 février 2010 - 07:19 .

[RighteousRage]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

What the hell is wrong with you? The T-1000 looked like this:



If you can't get even the basics right, you have no right to complain.

Yes exactly, to be precise, the T-1000 was just a cloud of nanomachines or something and not even humanoid. I guess they meant "T-800" or "CyberDyne Systems Model 101" but couldn't be arsed to actually know the lore of the stories they were alluding to

[DarkNova50]

I refuse to vote on the principle that "Effective" is mis-spelled.



In addition, there are several threads noting that this larval form would mature later on, and take on a more traditional Reaper shape.



But of course, people will not be denied their incessant Terminator references...*sigh*

[Astranagant]

Stupid. "Reapers are made from magical spirit tang made from people/space squids/etc.!" I literally had to facepalm when EDI talked about how the human reaper was made from the "essence" of humans.

Modifié par Astranagant, 21 février 2010 - 07:24 .

[RighteousRage]

The whole thing with the Reapers was the most predictable thing ever

It's funny how the ME community can so easily guess what the "twists" are

"Oh my god Shepard is killed in action!!!"
"No he's just undercover, working behind the lines to fight the Reapers"

"Reapers are the apex of evolution, perfect entities!!!"
"They are just ancient species who had reached technological singularity and speciated into cybernetic organisms; the Reapers use subsequent species to reproduce"

What's next, Illusive Man has been indoctrinated by the Reapers and is working for them in ME 3?

Modifié par RighteousRage, 21 février 2010 - 07:27 .

[Railstay]

Astranagant wrote...

Stupid. "Reapers are made from magical spirit tang made from people/space squids/etc.!" I literally had to facepalm when EDI talked about how the human reaper was made from the "essence" of humans.

Yeah that was...  Disappointing.  Like 3rd Ender book disappointing.

Modifié par Railstay, 21 février 2010 - 08:41 .

[Wynne]

I think the final human Reaper Shape would NOT have had legs, just the wrongly curved arms, and the vertebrae would've been the tail end of the ship. Like a giant, misshapen triangle. In that respect, it would have been pretty ghastly to see in the sky above your homeworld--a hideous mockery of your species made into a ship which is now bombarding your planet. I don't think the human shape would have been just some guy, I think it would have been built to terrify, much like the husks.

[aaniadyen]

Talogrungi wrote...

This thread can now benefit from the following concept art courtesy of Internet Kraken.

This is the finished Human reaper.