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[ZennExile]

Mudzr wrote...

I agree with the OP, ME2 may seem a little pointless, but maybe we're just looking at it the wrong way:

*Firstly, the human juice is probably used to piwer the collector station, and by picking on the weaker collonies, they were preparing for an assualt on earth. The swarms would have taken earth by surprise and there would have not really been anything to stop them. Shep and his team are prepared and that's how they're able to survive.

*Secondly, the reapers still need to get to the galaxy, and the only way they can do that so far is by using the citadel. The human repaer was probably meant to do this. This makes no sense however if there are more reapers around in the galaxy, like the ones the quarians are trying to find.
Now they're going to have to find another way in.

*By gathering intel on the station, as well as those documents that the collector leader supposedly sent to you, you're already prepared for the Reaper invasion. Even more so if you left the base intact.

*By the end of ME2, you've recruited several armies potentially to fight the reapers, including the rachni, geth, krogan, quarian and cerebus. Plus, you've now finally gotten evidence that the council and the alliance need to join your side. That leaves the mercanary bands (since we killed most of their leaders and founders that shouldn't be hard), minor species (finding a cure for the drell should get both the drell and hanar on our side), the batarians (which, with the inclusion of a batarian party member in ME3 we should be finally be able to sort out our differences) and the terminas races/ species (which should be easier since we've befriended the leader of the capital of the system (Aria- Omega), Liara's fight with the shadow brocker should lead to some information to should be able to help our fight aswell.
Oh and now we have an assasin, justicar, perfect krogan, genetically altered human, a master of biotics, a scientific genius, etc. behind us.

Yes in ME2 all you really manage to do is delay the Reaper invasion, just as in ME, but that's really the point. All we have done so far has been in vain, the Reapers will find another way, which just shows the force we're up against in ME3.

Yes because there were enough collectors to harvest tens of billions of people....  don't think so.  They only have one ship and one base and no the goo wasn't powering it.  The goo was being pumped directly into the reaper to make it.

And since you apparently didn't catch these plot elements it's fair to suggest you missed a bunch more so I don't think pointing out all of them will make any more difference than this already has.

[TheTrac3r]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

When he convinced 9 strangers to go on a Suicide Mission with him.

If there was a portal in which anyone who went through never came back, would you follow some random yahoo through it?

Yep, apparently dying and coming back from the dead is a great way to create a group of followers, even those willing to martr themselves.

....Wait a minute....this sounds familiar.

Modifié par TheTrac3r, 20 février 2010 - 08:17 .

[TheTrac3r]

I see what BioWare did there >_>

[NeoAnalysis]

I think everybody is forgetting a very critical point here ..



Nassara was winning a fight against a massive combined fleet, effortlessly, at the climax of ME1. Just one Reaper was slicing apart the combined efforts of at least 3 galactic empires. The only reason Nassara was finally defeated was because she herself introduced a vulnerability when she assumed control of Saren's corpse.



If the human Reaper had been completed, it would have been game over for the major powers in no time. By defeating the collectors you postponed the galactic apocalypse, and even though more reapers are coming, at least you bought some time.

[ZennExile]

NeoAnalysis wrote...

I think everybody is forgetting a very critical point here ..

Nassara was winning a fight against a massive combined fleet, effortlessly, at the climax of ME1. Just one Reaper was slicing apart the combined efforts of at least 3 galactic empires. The only reason Nassara was finally defeated was because she herself introduced a vulnerability when she assumed control of Saren's corpse.

If the human Reaper had been completed, it would have been game over for the major powers in no time. By defeating the collectors you postponed the galactic apocalypse, and even though more reapers are coming, at least you bought some time.

Um.  That's a fine tale chap.  But the reaper could never have been finished without earth.  And earth is the center of the alliance.  And shepard killed the collectors and the reaper with a heavy pistol.

Kinda leaves the whole "what if the reaper got finished" question out in, doesn't matter land, seeing as how until the other reapers arrived it could never have been finished and therefor killing the collectors really had no impact on the overall story.

[TheTrac3r]

ZennExile wrote...

NeoAnalysis wrote...

I think everybody is forgetting a very critical point here ..

Nassara was winning a fight against a massive combined fleet, effortlessly, at the climax of ME1. Just one Reaper was slicing apart the combined efforts of at least 3 galactic empires. The only reason Nassara was finally defeated was because she herself introduced a vulnerability when she assumed control of Saren's corpse.

If the human Reaper had been completed, it would have been game over for the major powers in no time. By defeating the collectors you postponed the galactic apocalypse, and even though more reapers are coming, at least you bought some time.

Um.  That's a fine tale chap.  But the reaper could never have been finished without earth.  And earth is the center of the alliance.  And shepard killed the collectors and the reaper with a heavy pistol.

Kinda leaves the whole "what if the reaper got finished" question out in, doesn't matter land, seeing as how until the other reapers arrived it could never have been finished and therefor killing the collectors really had no impact on the overall story.

I'll actually agree with Zenn a little here, though I disagree overall.  We don't know whether there were enough human colonies in Terminus to complete the Reaper (this is the safest place to get them, as Terminus Colonies are distant and unprotected mostly).  Like, the issue is in "we can't say for sure" land, which shares a border with "doesn't matter" land, lol.

I also have to agree with Neo that, a Reaper is basically a death machine, so IF it DID get finished, it'd give the Citadel defences a run for their money.  But... like, we don't know.

Modifié par TheTrac3r, 20 février 2010 - 08:33 .

[ZennExile]

TheTrac3r wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

NeoAnalysis wrote...

I think everybody is forgetting a very critical point here ..

Nassara was winning a fight against a massive combined fleet, effortlessly, at the climax of ME1. Just one Reaper was slicing apart the combined efforts of at least 3 galactic empires. The only reason Nassara was finally defeated was because she herself introduced a vulnerability when she assumed control of Saren's corpse.

If the human Reaper had been completed, it would have been game over for the major powers in no time. By defeating the collectors you postponed the galactic apocalypse, and even though more reapers are coming, at least you bought some time.

Um.  That's a fine tale chap.  But the reaper could never have been finished without earth.  And earth is the center of the alliance.  And shepard killed the collectors and the reaper with a heavy pistol.

Kinda leaves the whole "what if the reaper got finished" question out in, doesn't matter land, seeing as how until the other reapers arrived it could never have been finished and therefor killing the collectors really had no impact on the overall story.

I'll actually agree with Zenn a little here, though I disagree overall.  We don't know whether there were enough human colonies in Terminus to complete the Reaper (this is the safest place to get them, as Terminus Colonies are distant and unprotected mostly).  Like, the issue is in "we can't say for sure" land, which shares a border with "doesn't matter" land, lol.

I also have to agree with Neo that, a Reaper is basically a death machine, so IF it DID get finished, it'd give the Citadel defences a run for their money.  But... like, we don't know.

Actually we do know.  The game specifically tells you "They'd need more than all the humans in the terminus systems combined to fill these pods"  "Their target is earth"

So yeah again theory not sound.  There is no possible way the reaper could have been finished without earth so no theory about how the baby reaper might reek havoc on the galaxy holds water.  For all intents and puposes the story is not affected in any signifigant way by ME2 and we could have simply skipped right to ME3.

[TheTrac3r]

ZennExile wrote...

Actually we do know.  The game specifically tells you "They'd need more than all the humans in the terminus systems combined to fill these pods"  "Their target is earth"

So yeah again theory not sound.  There is no possible way the reaper could have been finished without earth so no theory about how the baby reaper might reek havoc on the galaxy holds water.  For all intents and puposes the story is not affected in any signifigant way by ME2 and we could have simply skipped right to ME3.

I see what you mean, really.  But I just can't bring myself to agree.

If you follow that line, then (warning, yet-another-star-wars-analogy-inbound.  I am sorry), Empire Strikes Back was not needed in the story.

Behind the scenes, the Empire was building another Death Star.  Luke already knew about the force.  The rebellion was...rebelling.

Only 3 things happened in all of Empire Strikes back.  Luke learns how to lift rocks from a backwards rambling green midget.  Han gets frozen.  And we learn Vader is Luke's father.  3 minor things that could have been covered in dialogue at the end of New Hope/beginning of Jedi.  Otherwise, Empire Strikes Back added action sequences, giant walking robots, cool scenery and random badass (and totally unimportant) characters (Bobba Fett, Lando, etc).  All filler.

And yet, people are fanatical in their love for Empire Strikes Back.

Modifié par TheTrac3r, 20 février 2010 - 08:51 .

[NeoAnalysis]

ZennExile wrote...

NeoAnalysis wrote...

I think everybody is forgetting a very critical point here ..

Nassara was winning a fight against a massive combined fleet, effortlessly, at the climax of ME1. Just one Reaper was slicing apart the combined efforts of at least 3 galactic empires. The only reason Nassara was finally defeated was because she herself introduced a vulnerability when she assumed control of Saren's corpse.

If the human Reaper had been completed, it would have been game over for the major powers in no time. By defeating the collectors you postponed the galactic apocalypse, and even though more reapers are coming, at least you bought some time.

Um.  That's a fine tale chap.  But the reaper could never have been finished without earth.  And earth is the center of the alliance.  And shepard killed the collectors and the reaper with a heavy pistol.

Kinda leaves the whole "what if the reaper got finished" question out in, doesn't matter land, seeing as how until the other reapers arrived it could never have been finished and therefor killing the collectors really had no impact on the overall story.

You're making a lot of poorly supported assumptions here.  i'll break it down.
[1] But the reaper could never have been finished without earth.  And earth is the center of the alliance.

- And?  You don't think the collectors and harbinger thought of that when they started?  The collectors began their campaign by carving up the most advanced ship the humans and turians could concieve of in mere seconds.  In a couple of minutes the thing was a floating hollowed out fireball.  They weren't worried about Earth's fleet.

[2]And shepard killed the collectors and the reaper with a heavy pistol.

- Shepard killed a barely started, incredibly vulnerable Reaper with small arms.  ME1 showed us what a 100% complete reaper is capable of and the backstory of ME1 told us what a fleet of them can do.

[3] ... until the other reapers arrived it could never have been finished

- obviously that was never the plan.  Harbinger's last words to the collector general were "we'll find another way."  Obviously it was their plan to have the collectors and the Human Reaper complete sovereign's original mission and bring them out of dark space.

[4] ... really had no impact on the overall story.

- I guess it might seem that way when you consider that the reapers will enevitibly make their way back to galactic territory.  But if they could just warp back they would have done it to begin with.  Without a mass relay connection it could take them an effective eternity.

[ZennExile]

TheTrac3r wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Actually we do know.  The game specifically tells you "They'd need more than all the humans in the terminus systems combined to fill these pods"  "Their target is earth"

So yeah again theory not sound.  There is no possible way the reaper could have been finished without earth so no theory about how the baby reaper might reek havoc on the galaxy holds water.  For all intents and puposes the story is not affected in any signifigant way by ME2 and we could have simply skipped right to ME3.

I see what you mean, really.  But I just can't bring myself to agree.

If you follow that line, then (warning, yet-another-star-wars-analogy-inbound.  I am sorry), Empire Strikes Back was not needed in the story.

Behind the scenes, the Empire was building another Death Star.  Luke already knew about the force.  The rebellion was...rebelling.

Only 3 things happened in all of Empire Strikes back.  Luke learns how to lift rocks from a backwards rambling green midget.  Han gets frozen.  And we learn Vader is Luke's father.  3 minor things that could have been covered in dialogue at the end of New Hope/beginning of Jedi.  Otherwise, Empire Strikes Back added action sequences, giant walking robots, cool scenery and random badass (and totally unimportant) characters (Bobba Fett, Lando, etc).  All filler.

And yet, people are fanatical in their love for Empire Strikes Back.

So the reason you can't accept it is because it makes no sense?  That's the point.  None of the plot in ME2 makes any sense to the Mass Effect Universe and all of it could have been trimmed down to amuzing news breaks in ME3.

Oh and your over simplification of Empire Strikes back is a direct result of yer need to be right superceeding your rational mind.

Modifié par ZennExile, 20 février 2010 - 08:54 .

[TheTrac3r]

ZennExile wrote...

So the reason you can't accept it is because it makes no sense?  That's the point.  None of the plot in ME2 makes any sense to the Mass Effect Universe and all of it could have been trimmed down to amuzing news breaks in ME3.

Oh and your over simplification of Empire Strikes back is a direct result of yer need to be right superceeding your rational mind.

I have no need to be right.  This is the Internet lol.  Everyone's right in their own mind.  I'm approaching this from a different angle and expressing how I feel with an analogy.  I'll simplify even more.  ME2 was about character development.  So was ESB.  I enjoy pointless character development.  Maybe you don't.

There's no right or wrong about what people enjoy.  For Christ sake, it's an RPG.  The only thing more technically boring and pointless than an RPG is an MMORPG.  It's meant to throw you into a story about the people you're with.

Hell, the only thing more boring and pointless is arguing about the RPG on a forum lol.  I concede, because you have a valid view that I just don't share. lol.

[Massadonious1]

Hey look, another thread where ZennExile imposes his opinion on unwitting bystanders.



You're building quite a reputation for yourself.

[T0paze]

Please, let's keep this civilized.

Anyway, TheTrac3r, the Collectors' little scheme appears similar to the way funds (and support) are raised in the modern world.

1. You prove that your concept is solid.
2. You get the required funding and support to develop it.

The Collectors proved that their scientific concept was promising, i.e. that there was a good chance that they would indeed be able to create a Human-Reaper in the future. So, the Reapers would support their project by providing military aid to obtain required resources (i.e. humans). The Collectors wouldn't be able to do that alone, just like most research teams aren't able to complete their projects without external funding/support.

Of course, it could be argued that the Collectors may be fully controlled by the Reapers (so that even their research ideas are generated by the Reapers), but even if that's true, it wouldn't change anything. 


Also, about the Normandy. The Collectors 1) destroyed just one ship, not a fleet; 2) that ship, unlike, say, Destiny Ascension, mostly relied on its stealth systems, not sheer firepower or massive armor; 3) they caught that ship by surprise and 3) even if by the time the Normandy was destroyed it still had the most advanced systems available, which I doubt,  technology has obviously improved since then.

Modifié par T0paze, 20 février 2010 - 10:23 .

[NuclearBuddha]

ZennExile wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Seems to me like the defeat of the Collectors is kinda important to isolated human colonies in the Terminus Systems. Just saying.

Maybe but if you think about it, the collectors could never just attack earth on their own and earth is apparently the only source of human genetic goo large enough to finish making the baby reaper.  So ya win some ya lose some.  At least the collectors leave all the colonies in tact so we can re-settle.

Oh and yeah the baby human reaper would be scary but it would also not matter until the rest of the reapers showed up to escort it to earth.

That means a whole heck of a lot to all the helpless humans getting slaughtered out in the Terminus Systems.  Yeah, you're probably right.  They only died in agony, leaving behind grieving relatives (and sometimes not even that, if the whole family got taken, so that's cool, right?).  At least the colonies are intact.  Good game Collectors, maybe if you mattered more we'd do something about it.

Pffft.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 20 février 2010 - 09:25 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

I was always under the impression that, "Dark Space" , was more a metaphor for 'something beyond the Citadel Mass Relay'.

Where(or what) the mass relay connects to, has not been revealed, however it seems to me that after reading and hypothesizing, 'Dark Space' would infact be something akin to the Omega4 relay.

Here's where it gets dicey though, to try to open(and map) the other side of that relay, would most probably cause the 'reaper invasion', Soveriegn tried, 2 years ago. Unless the invasion force has moved far enough away from their end of that relay.

[ZennExile]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Seems to me like the defeat of the Collectors is kinda important to isolated human colonies in the Terminus Systems. Just saying.

Maybe but if you think about it, the collectors could never just attack earth on their own and earth is apparently the only source of human genetic goo large enough to finish making the baby reaper.  So ya win some ya lose some.  At least the collectors leave all the colonies in tact so we can re-settle.

Oh and yeah the baby human reaper would be scary but it would also not matter until the rest of the reapers showed up to escort it to earth.

That means a whole heck of a lot to all the helpless humans getting slaughtered out in the Terminus Systems.  Yeah, you're probably right.  They only died in agony, leaving behind grieving relatives (and sometimes not even that, if the whole family got taken, so that's cool, right?).  At least the colonies are intact.  Good game Collectors, maybe if you mattered more we'd do something about it.

Pffft.

Well it is just the terminus systems.  Humans who settled out there knew it wasn't gonna be all safe and homey like Virmire.

Really though would losing a bunch of small outer rim colonies mattered.  I mean beyond the whole bleeding heart all life is precious cultural backwash we're forced to swallow like it's the yummiest thing ever.  Were the  colonies everyone thought would be doomed from the start really change the shape of the galaxy in a meaninful way if they vanished?

Probably not.

[NuclearBuddha]

ZennExile wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Seems to me like the defeat of the Collectors is kinda important to isolated human colonies in the Terminus Systems. Just saying.

Maybe but if you think about it, the collectors could never just attack earth on their own and earth is apparently the only source of human genetic goo large enough to finish making the baby reaper.  So ya win some ya lose some.  At least the collectors leave all the colonies in tact so we can re-settle.

Oh and yeah the baby human reaper would be scary but it would also not matter until the rest of the reapers showed up to escort it to earth.

That means a whole heck of a lot to all the helpless humans getting slaughtered out in the Terminus Systems.  Yeah, you're probably right.  They only died in agony, leaving behind grieving relatives (and sometimes not even that, if the whole family got taken, so that's cool, right?).  At least the colonies are intact.  Good game Collectors, maybe if you mattered more we'd do something about it.

Pffft.

Well it is just the terminus systems.  Humans who settled out there knew it wasn't gonna be all safe and homey like Virmire.

Really though would losing a bunch of small outer rim colonies mattered.  I mean beyond the whole bleeding heart all life is precious cultural backwash we're forced to swallow like it's the yummiest thing ever.  Were the  colonies everyone thought would be doomed from the start really change the shape of the galaxy in a meaninful way if they vanished?

Probably not.

Wow, thanks for all these words you're putting in my mouth.  You're real generous.

Who said all life is precious?  I'm just saying it sucks pretty hard to have moved off of earth to start a new life and then get turned into Reaper slurry.  It matters to them.  Might be nice to have someone make the Collectors knock that crap off.  You know, somebody who was in the neighborhood with a couple friends and a souped-up ship.  Have a little humanity, dude. 

But hey, if that hardcore thing is working out for you, that's cool, too.  I hear everyone thinks you're awesome when you do that.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 20 février 2010 - 09:38 .

[ZennExile]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Seems to me like the defeat of the Collectors is kinda important to isolated human colonies in the Terminus Systems. Just saying.

Maybe but if you think about it, the collectors could never just attack earth on their own and earth is apparently the only source of human genetic goo large enough to finish making the baby reaper.  So ya win some ya lose some.  At least the collectors leave all the colonies in tact so we can re-settle.

Oh and yeah the baby human reaper would be scary but it would also not matter until the rest of the reapers showed up to escort it to earth.

That means a whole heck of a lot to all the helpless humans getting slaughtered out in the Terminus Systems.  Yeah, you're probably right.  They only died in agony, leaving behind grieving relatives (and sometimes not even that, if the whole family got taken, so that's cool, right?).  At least the colonies are intact.  Good game Collectors, maybe if you mattered more we'd do something about it.

Pffft.

Well it is just the terminus systems.  Humans who settled out there knew it wasn't gonna be all safe and homey like Virmire.

Really though would losing a bunch of small outer rim colonies mattered.  I mean beyond the whole bleeding heart all life is precious cultural backwash we're forced to swallow like it's the yummiest thing ever.  Were the  colonies everyone thought would be doomed from the start really change the shape of the galaxy in a meaninful way if they vanished?

Probably not.

Wow, thanks for all these words you're putting in my mouth.  You're real generous.

Who said all life is precious?  I'm just saying it sucks pretty hard to have moved off of earth to start a new life and then get turned into Reaper slurry.  It matters to them.  Might be nice to have someone make the Collectors knock that crap off.  You know, somebody who was in the neighborhood with a couple friends and a souped-up ship.  Have a little humanity, dude. 

But hey, if that hardcore thing is working out for you, that's cool, too.  I hear everyone thinks you're awesome when you do that.

I believe I'm the one who said those things not you.  As in "lets forgoe the morality arguement because it's culturally limiting to the possible conversation".  Not to suggest that was your motivation.

However the next part doesn't seem to be something I can figure out without trying to put words in your mouth so, what's your motivation?  The context isn't the colonists here.  At least not for what I am saying.  The context is whether or not the loss of every colony in the terminus system would really matter to the conclusion of the story.  Sure the colonists won't be happy about it, but would it have any meaningful impact to the galaxy about to be picked clean of organic life?

Oh and, I am awesome.  Just FYI.

 smiley five

[WilliamShatner]

bdawg3103 wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

ME2 wasn't about stopping the Collectors. Not really.

It was about Shepard evolving as a leader.

Yes yes and yes.  In my opinion this is EXACTLY what the game was about.  Seeing shep pondering the coffins when you lose people was a hugely emotional for me (as i've written elsewhere).  Through the whole ending scene, and especially when he's looking out at the stars, he looks markedly older than in ME1 and the rest of ME2... he's seen the tremendous risks and tough consequences that must be faced to succeed, and he's steeled himself to do whatever it takes to achieve victory.

I guess Shepard was just a bumbling Clouseau-esque Spectre when she lead her team victory against the Reapers in ME1.

[NeoAnalysis]

ohupthis wrote...

I was always under the impression that, "Dark Space" , was more a metaphor for 'something beyond the Citadel Mass Relay'.
Where(or what) the mass relay connects to, has not been revealed, however it seems to me that after reading and hypothesizing, 'Dark Space' would infact be something akin to the Omega4 relay.
Here's where it gets dicey though, to try to open(and map) the other side of that relay, would most probably cause the 'reaper invasion', Soveriegn tried, 2 years ago. Unless the invasion force has moved far enough away from their end of that relay.

I haven't played ME1 in a while, but it was always my impression that "dark space" was simply the space between galaxies, that the Reapers had simply left the boundries of the galaxy insuring that no race dependant on the mass relays would discover them as they slumbered.

It makes sense.  The only technology that allows relatively quick galactic scale travel are the mass relays and none of them readily provide transport beyond the edge of the galaxy.  By merely slumbering beyond the edge of the galaxy the reapers are simply untouchable until they wish to make themselves known.

Of course the flaw in the plan is that apparently they also can not cross such distances without the aid of relay technology.  Which is why they need transport initiated from a relay within the milky way.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

However, more on-topic, Destroying the collector base(or just the collectors), was most definitely necessary because, who wants a human 'smoothie'?
No no no, I meant, who wants to Become a Human Smoothie? I know I would rather fight, than succumb to the urge, to jump into that giant blender thingie.

As for the 'Dark Space' theories, I am most definitely NOT going to open the Citadel relay, nope, nuhuh, never. Unless you tickle me long enough, and then maybe, if you haven't received a black eye yet. LOL!
It is oddly curious, why nobody on the Citadel, has opened that relay, just to see what or where it leads.

Modifié par ohupthis, 20 février 2010 - 10:10 .

[NuclearBuddha]

ZennExile wrote...

I believe I'm the one who said those things not you.  As in "lets forgoe the morality arguement because it's culturally limiting to the possible conversation".  Not to suggest that was your motivation.

However the next part doesn't seem to be something I can figure out without trying to put words in your mouth so, what's your motivation?  The context isn't the colonists here.  At least not for what I am saying.  The context is whether or not the loss of every colony in the terminus system would really matter to the conclusion of the story.  Sure the colonists won't be happy about it, but would it have any meaningful impact to the galaxy about to be picked clean of organic life?

Oh and, I am awesome.  Just FYI.

 smiley five

I am now informed.

Same answer, then, awesomesauce. 

If you're really hardcore, nothing matters to the galaxy, including the death of all life, since it's gonna keep right on spinning.  But even in the face of a nihilistic worldview, one that does not accept objective morality, people live.  And want to keep living, even if they don't individually matter.  And don't appreciate getting rendered down to to Tang by aliens, even if no one is going to notice they're gone.  Call it a biological imperative or whatever.

If the big picture don't matter, all you've got left to work with is the little one.  The defeat of the Collectors matters to people they would have otherwise killed. 

If you want the goalposts somewhere else, and insist on finding a bigger benefit for getting all up in the Collectors' business, then I guess we're arguing past each other.  Some prefer to ignore genocide in the Terminus Systems until some government can be arsed to deal with it because, hey, who gives a flip about some losers (and their kids) who were just asking to get put in a slushy machine, and some like the idea of tooling out there to Omega-4 and getting righteous on some bug-heads before they ruin someone else's day.

Never change, man.

Edit:  Now I actually do feel like getting righteous on some bug-heads.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 20 février 2010 - 10:12 .

[HK01]

About the Collectors attacking Earth: Their ship did take out a Turian patrol and, what's more important,. they would put everbody on the groung in stasis so they can't defend and, even more important, they can land on the planet. I doubt that a human fleet would fire its(devastating) weapons on their own homeworld. Plus, if the Collectors acted fast enough, they could put everyone into stasis before a distress call can be sent(maybe using a small stealth ship, kind of like their version of the Normandy to drop the swarms).

[HK01]

General Stubbs wrote...


At the very end of ME1 Shepard says that the Reapers are still coming, two years later they are still coming (do they move at saunter-light speed or what).

Ahem, even at 10000 times light speed it would take YEARS to get from the middle of the space between two galaxies to one of the two galaxies. Probably they're not "coming" as in flying towards the Milky Way, but instead trying to somehow open up a relay for themselves or find another quick way.