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[Fishy]

jfluvsda wrote...

why are they trying to change the romance in DA i mean yea the warden has a duty but the romance is what make Bw games diffrent from others most RPG's have just get to the point plots with the romance it keeps you wondering what could happen in future because the warden has to die from the taint in 30 some od years why not have a chance for romance or at least a few flings' it makes the story line funner to follow through and new players that have never played a bioware games are not used to the personal feel of the characters in the game

And why do you always want to have a new romance per game/expansion.
My canon Warden fall in Love with Morrigan .. She left him .. I'm not going to leg/hump the first chick that join my group.

Like you said .. You have a duty . Dating every compagion it's bad for business.
I think they're leaving the continuation of romance for DA2.

Modifié par Suprez30, 19 février 2010 - 10:08 .

[Patriciachr34]

Thank you for the update. Frankly, I prefer romances when they are appropriate for the story. Although I enjoy a good romance story, I also enjoy a good action adventure story. One does not necessarily have to include the other.

[Alandros]

Suprez30 wrote...

jfluvsda wrote...

why are they trying to change the romance in DA i mean yea the warden has a duty but the romance is what make Bw games diffrent from others most RPG's have just get to the point plots with the romance it keeps you wondering what could happen in future because the warden has to die from the taint in 30 some od years why not have a chance for romance or at least a few flings' it makes the story line funner to follow through and new players that have never played a bioware games are not used to the personal feel of the characters in the game

And why do you always want to have a new romance per game/expansion.
My canon Warden fall in Love with Morrigan .. She left him .. I'm not going to leg/hump the first chick that join my group.

Like you said .. You have a duty . Dating every compagion it's bad for business.
I think they're leaving the continuation of romance for DA2.

Agreed.

Plus no one said Dragon Age would become the Dark Fantasy Romance Sim game  It's a nice and fun lengthy side-quest, one I hope they revisit, but not needed in every expansion.

[Feraele]

Dick Delaware wrote...

There originally were supposed to be romances for Awakening actually. One of the writers, I'm not going to say who (let's just say his name starts with "D" and ends in "avid Gaider") had a falling out with his significant other. He was so upset that he's banned all romances in all BioWare games, ever. But wait, there's more - the romances that are in Origins will now end with your loved one crushed by a cave-in in the Deep Roads while darkspawn devour/have sex with their corpse.

Morrigan wasn't perfect, but damn it, she deserved better!

Hehehe I like that explanation

[Feraele]

Victor Wachter wrote...

The romance decision will always be made on a per-game basis. There's no blanket policy at BioWare that must always be or never be romance in a game. That will be decided on what fits best in each game.

So no more romance until DA:2?

Looks like we better get used to the idea. lol

[spottyblanket]

Well the romance with Alister and Morrigan were implemented into the game more. I'm guessing most of the plotlines, without wishing to spoil inspired the romance options. I'm probably the only one that believes this but, the romances with Alister and Morrigan feel more intense to the plot that Lelianna and Zev.

Because the romances weren't vital to the plot in the new one, they weren't included. Because that would mean just more work. Judging by how fast this expansion has come out, I'm guessing Bioware just didn't have the time. Programing a romance into the game must take forever after all.

Modifié par spottyblanket, 20 février 2010 - 08:46 .

[Feraele]

spottyblanket wrote...

Well the romance with Alister and Morrigan were implemented into the game more. I'm guessing most of the plotlines, without wishing to spoil inspired the romance options. I'm probably the only one that believes this but, the romances with Alister and Morrigan feel more intense to the plot that Lelianna and Zev.

Because the romances weren't vital to the plot in the new one, they weren't included. Because that would mean just more work. Judging by how fast this expansion has come out, I'm guessing Bioware just didn't have the time. Programing a romance into the game must take forever after all.

OR...the particular voice actors they wanted..weren't available..OR they didn't have the budget to bring them all back. 

[Wournos]

distinguetraces wrote...

It's permanent. The writers at Bioware have all become so embittered by the relentless tides of forum snark that they are now incapable of writing about love, or any positive emotion, ever again.

Sarcasm galore?

[Walina]

People have to stop lying because we all know that most of us out there play Bioware games for the romance system since none have done that before in US and EU! Unless you know japanese, you're stuck with Bioware games allowing to romance npc in their games. And for some, it's just to have some sex scene allowed in a video game.



The proof that I am right ?

> mods for replaying sex scene all the time

> mods for Leliana and Morrigan to be naked

> mods for Morrigan and Alistair to become "bisexual"

> mods to see your characters naked

> mod to flirt with Cullen

> mod for having a private harem and castle



So don't come tell me dating system is aren't important while I can mostly be sure that half of the players who played DAO moved to ME 1 and 2 to have romances.

[Ahisgewaya]

errant_knight wrote...

I have to disagree. The romances add to the game, yes, but if they're shoehorned into a story that takes place in a shorter timeframe just for the sake of including them, they're going to seem artificial at best and kind of skanky at worst.

I completely agree with your disagreement. This was my problem with the romances in Mass Effect. They just kind of came out of nowhere for one thing. For another there is the fact that you are Ashley's superior officer....that just seems a bit creepy to me.

[Ahisgewaya]

Walina wrote...

People have to stop lying because we all know that most of us out there play Bioware games for the romance system since none have done that before in US and EU! Unless you know japanese, you're stuck with Bioware games allowing to romance npc in their games. And for some, it's just to have some sex scene allowed in a video game.

The proof that I am wrong?

>mods for replaying sex scene all the time
  - I don't use this mod and see no reason to even download it

> mods for Leliana and Morrigan to be naked
   - again, I don't use this mod.it really screws with the suspension of disbeleif 

> mods for Morrigan and Alistair to become "bisexual"
    -never used this one either, and I repeat the suspension of disbeleif thing

> mods to see your characters naked
   - didn't use this one either.

> mod to flirt with Cullen
  -definately didn't use this one. I hate templars

> mod for having a private harem and castle
   - yeah, didn't use this one either. Suspension of disbeleif again.

Modifié par Ahisgewaya, 20 février 2010 - 11:27 .

[Cristelkaa]

spottyblanket wrote...

Well the romance with Alister and Morrigan were implemented into the game more. I'm guessing most of the plotlines, without wishing to spoil inspired the romance options. I'm probably the only one that believes this but, the romances with Alister and Morrigan feel more intense to the plot that Lelianna and Zev.

Because the romances weren't vital to the plot in the new one, they weren't included. Because that would mean just more work. Judging by how fast this expansion has come out, I'm guessing Bioware just didn't have the time. Programing a romance into the game must take forever after all.

But why not take advantage of the unique position you have as the only western game maker with romance options in a RPG Game. Why not let the people who pissed Alistair of go look for him and for the once who did not find a match in DAO why not put in a new strong male and female NPC to romance? If it was my story I would have saved an even more interesting NPC for the expansion. Think Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights^^ and a girl who could at least be as interesting as Morrigan. (I was always pissed off that the male gamers got Morrigan and I was stuck with Alistair). (But now I am getting way off track) If you need to have a romance to lift out the plot and make it more interesting to all gamers then make one. I agree that Zev and Lelianna felt more outside the plot than Morrigan and Alistair and why not make the effort to make every NPC vital to the story in some way or other and let you as the gamer choose who you would like to romance. And since we are playing for the game should we not expect them to take the time to deliver what they are capable of? I would not have had these high expectations of another game creator but Bioware are good, if not the best we (who are not Japanese) can offer.

[Wournos]

Walina wrote...

People have to stop lying because we all know that most of us out there play Bioware games for the romance system since none have done that before in US and EU! Unless you know japanese, you're stuck with Bioware games allowing to romance npc in their games. And for some, it's just to have some sex scene allowed in a video game.

The proof that I am right ?
> mods for replaying sex scene all the time
> mods for Leliana and Morrigan to be naked
> mods for Morrigan and Alistair to become "bisexual"
> mods to see your characters naked
> mod to flirt with Cullen
> mod for having a private harem and castle

So don't come tell me dating system is aren't important while I can mostly be sure that half of the players who played DAO moved to ME 1 and 2 to have romances.

If any that list shows the demand for cheap porn more than anything.
I for one can't use mods and even if I could nothing on that list would be used. I prefer romance to porn.

Edit: A typo.

Modifié par Wournos, 20 février 2010 - 01:50 .

[Feraele]

Ahisgewaya wrote...

Walina wrote...

People have to stop lying because we all know that most of us out there play Bioware games for the romance system since none have done that before in US and EU! Unless you know japanese, you're stuck with Bioware games allowing to romance npc in their games. And for some, it's just to have some sex scene allowed in a video game.

The proof that I am wrong?

>mods for replaying sex scene all the time
  - I don't use this mod and see no reason to even download it

> mods for Leliana and Morrigan to be naked
   - again, I don't use this mod.it really screws with the suspension of disbeleif 

> mods for Morrigan and Alistair to become "bisexual"
    -never used this one either, and I repeat the suspension of disbeleif thing

> mods to see your characters naked
   - didn't use this one either.

> mod to flirt with Cullen
  -definately didn't use this one. I hate templars

> mod for having a private harem and castle
   - yeah, didn't use this one either. Suspension of disbeleif again.

I haven't used any mods thus far...well except that one storage chest one..for the camp, made by "a dev".    Soon as I started using it I was seeing video glitches..so I deleted everything and got rid of it.

Now they tell us that mods made prior to Awakening may not be compatible.   So I am going to wait...til after and see what mods get produced.  

Personally am really not interested in the "sex" mods...if others want to use them, have at it..enjoy.  hehe

I am more interested in mods that add more story..specifically like what Oblivion had, where you had a whole new place on the map to explore,  a house to display stuff  (armor/weapons..special stuff)    and even a garden that grew plants that you could pick to make potions.

Would be interested in add on pets and things like that.    Maybe someone will mod a nug pet or a bronto pet.  lol

[kaweeks]

I'm kind of pissed about the decision, with out the romance you just end up with a hack'n slash game like Diablo. If I knew there wasn't going to be a romance option or a chance for relationships in the game I wouldn't have pre-ordered. The romance option of the game was the moral compass for your player. The reason for making certain decision in the game were made because you wanted the approval of the NPC you where romancing.

[Loerwyn]

kaweeks wrote...

I'm kind of pissed about the decision, with out the romance you just end up with a hack'n slash game like Diablo. If I knew there wasn't going to be a romance option or a chance for relationships in the game I wouldn't have pre-ordered. The romance option of the game was the moral compass for your player. The reason for making certain decision in the game were made because you wanted the approval of the NPC you where romancing.

You can get +100 approval without romancing, you know. It's recommended just so those characters get stronger (due to approval bonuses). If you made all the choices in your game to get +Leliana (example) approval, then was your character being true to themselves or being true to her?
Just because you can't continue with Leliana/Morrigan/Alistair/Zevran in Awakening it doesn't mean the end of the romance.

[aries1001]

I, too, find it odd not to include any romances in DA: Awakenings, but I can live with this decision. The reason, however, why I find this decision odd is that in all Bioware games, from BG1 to BG2, to KOTOR etc. there have been romances which have had love scenes. Some of these scenes just had the screen go black, which to me, were fine. As I've said elsewhere, our minds are the most important things here. We can imagine any situation, also what are people are doing when the screen goes black. [Sorry to be so blunt, but this how I see things...]



The point, I'm getting at slowly is that Bioware's games have romances as trademark; it's pretty much where Bioware's reputation comes from, I find. Maybe not from the romances so much as the ability to tell a story with interesting characters, party banter, and yes, voluntary romances that'll maybe eventually lead to you a love scene with your significant other.



Another thing is that the romances in DA:O might feel unfinished or not completed if people don't get closure in them, i.e. either get a break-up or a continuing of them. A third thing is that many female gamers (and a few men maybe) really like playing Bioware games, not at least because they can do something else than just shooting and killing things and monsters.

[Xetirox]

kaweeks wrote...

I'm kind of pissed about the decision, with out the romance you just end up with a hack'n slash game like Diablo. If I knew there wasn't going to be a romance option or a chance for relationships in the game I wouldn't have pre-ordered. The romance option of the game was the moral compass for your player. The reason for making certain decision in the game were made because you wanted the approval of the NPC you where romancing.

That's some pretty ass-backwards logic. Doing whatever you can to impress one (or two, or three) schmucks so you  doesn't seem like much of a moral compass to me, seems more like a selfish means to the end of getting into their pants. What, is doing what's simply for the greater good and/or gaining the approval of your friends and comrades who are expected to follow your lead and order so they can be a loyal and formidable fighting force not a good enough reason to be a decent sort? Or big enough reason to separate Dragon Age from Diablo?

[David Gaider]

Walina wrote...
People have to stop lying because we all know that most of us out there play Bioware games for the romance system since none have done that before in US and EU! Unless you know japanese, you're stuck with Bioware games allowing to romance npc in their games. And for some, it's just to have some sex scene allowed in a video game.

Umm... not to be too blunt, but I think you're wildly overstating it. It's clear that the people who do enjoy the romances enjoy it a LOT and are very passionate about it -- enough to create mods galore -- but if you're going to interpret that as saying most people play Bioware games for romances period that's too far. I think most people enjoy them, and while I would have liked the chance to include romance in Awakening I have to admit I'm a little relieved not to have to shoehorn a new romance in or try to extend an already-existing romance into a series of long talks about how much you love one another, etc. etc.

It might have been interesting to try, but there are other types of interaction other than romance. Just because you aren't having romances doesn't equate to "OMG IT'S ALL HACK AND SLASH AND NO DIALOGUE! HOW BORING!" I mean... come on.

In the end, if it's that important to you then you can make your own decisions about whether the game is worth it. But as much as I enjoy writing romance plots I will never subscribe to the belief that it's the most important thing about a Bioware game.

Ever.

Probably some people will take that as "OMG HE HATES ROMANCE! WE WILL NEVER FIND LOVE AGAIN!" and I'm sorry if that's the case. But I am impressed by how some people get very committed over the idea. If anything, I'd say that proves it's worthwhile doing again in the future... in a game with the budget to support doing it, and doing it in the manner that such plots deserve.

Modifié par David Gaider, 20 février 2010 - 07:23 .

[Loerwyn]

The thing is, aries1001, this isn't a base game that's coming out. It's an expansion (or if you don't like to call it that, a really big bit of DLC) and it's been said that romance didn't fit the theme of this expansion.

Just because we don't continue them in Awakening it does not mean they are unfinished, uncompleted or otherwise ended.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I was once worried about this. But then I have come to realise that romances will probably not fit well in Awakening, due to the events happening within the game and due to it not being a full game (less time and budget). I would much rather not have a half arsed romance plot that lasts a couple of dialogue lines. The reason why romances in Bioware games are great is because they are well integrated in the story and are expansive.

No romance is better than a weak romance plot that cannot compare to the ones in Origins imo. Bioware isn't biting more than it can chew for the expansion and that's a good thing.

[Mordaedil]

I have never persued romances in Bioware games, but I have appreciated it.



While I do not appreciate how you treated the endings and their continuation in the expansion, I think this is more of a decent approximation to how to continue a character in a new chapter however.



I for one wouldn't really want my companions to hit on me after I lost my love or whatever from the previous play-through.



In other words, I approve for once.

[Curlain]

David Gaider wrote...


It might have been interesting to try, but there are other types of interaction other than romance. Just because you aren't having romances doesn't equate to "OMG IT'S ALL HACK AND SLASH AND NO DIALOGUE! HOW BORING!" I mean... come on.

Can I take this as a confirmation that the expansion isn't going to be a largely a hack n' slash dungeon crawler experience, and that it will contain the kind of deep characters, dialogue and character interaction/development that you guys do so well?

Because I have to admit, my greatest fear when I read the explanation that there would be no romances due to there being no time with the Warden being to busy, and the expansion's story being very mission focused I feared that it was beginning to sound largely like a dungeon crawler style experience rather then the story and character focused experience I enjoyed so much in DA.  New specs, equipment, items and good battles are fun of course, but it's really story, characters and the ability to interact with your companions and NPCs and learn about them/build relationships that really involved me in DA and it's story.

So if Awakenings has the same experience in terms of companions and the ability to interact with them as there was in DA then that's one of my biggest fears out the way, so hopefully this is the case