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[gemc123]

Aradace wrote...

IRL, no, I wouldnt "kill" them lol...IRL, I just punch them in the face when they make passes at me (which more than one gay man has in my life).  But as long as they leave me be, Im fine with them.  Now in game, yes, I wouldnt hesitate to kill said character because it is precisely that, a game. 

Admittedly, Im a goth so yea, by society's standards that puts me in that bracket probably which I have accepted long ago.  Dunno why, but that's just how its always been.  I guess some gay men are attracted to goth guys lol...Either way, it was fun pounding their faces and then breaking their noses with my head Jubei from Ninja Scroll style lol

...And yet I'm still scared. *sigh* I need a cookie.

[The Angry One]

Nozybidaj wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


Why? This is the future, we should be beyond that.

Kelly Chambers:  "It is the character of a person that matters.  Not race or gender."

Yes, that.
I just wish they had a character who wasn't involved in gratuitous fanservice say that.

[Sphynx118]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Some people will se them differently so it does actually change the character you know

People who persue only 'straight' options would never see them differently though.

They would hear about the character being gay or they would be romanced when they play an same sex char.

[Kaorunandrak]

First of all I want to point this out before any one wants tosay I'm being a biggot. My mother is a lesbian I was raised by two women who were in love since I was 1 till I was 18 and moved out. That means the person I recognise as my father has breasts. I am straight I have a wife and a 3 year old daughter and i have no qualms about the gay/lesbian community.





Honestly the Devs stated this before in one of the many gay love threads. It has to do with the Character of Shep himself he isn't gay. The only reason you can have a gay relationship as a female Shep is because SHE isn't cannon so theres more leway there. It has nothing to do with being against gays or any other sort of biggotry.



They have stated the writers have a set story and established characters how they want in the Mass effect universe. Miranda isn't gay or bisexual so you can't "rub carpet" with her sorry. Niether is Tali or Jack. Though Jack is probally the closest to bisexual other then Sammara or Kelly Chambers.



This is the same reason why Shep can't have long hair. He/she is a soldier and has a soldier mindset from the writers standpoint so he/she has short mainly military styled hair cuts.



I'm sorry that people can't seem to grasp this concept but it doesnt change the facts about the ME storyline. Male shep isnt gay and Fem shep is limited to the Characters that are infact gay in the established storyline.

[voidcommander9111980]

MIRANDA SUCKS !!!

Modifié par voidcommander9111980, 19 février 2010 - 09:32 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Sphynx118 wrote...
They would hear about the character being gay or they would be romanced when they play an same sex char.

So? I hear about Renegade Shep doing truly awful things, but that doesn't affect how I play Paragon Shep. Everyone's playthrough is different. This would be no exception.

[The Angry One]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

Honestly the Devs stated this before in one of the many gay love threads. It has to do with the Character of Shep himself he isn't gay. The only reason you can have a gay relationship as a female Shep is because SHE isn't cannon so theres more leway there. It has nothing to do with being against gays or any other sort of biggotry.

Um, no. ManShep is no more canon than FemShep. Both are.
Sheploo is just a mascot.

They have stated the writers have a set story and established characters how they want in the Mass effect universe. Miranda isn't gay or bisexual so you can't "rub carpet" with her sorry. Niether is Tali or Jack. Though Jack is probally the closest to bisexual other then Sammara or Kelly Chambers.

They're not established before they write them now, are they?

[Alexandus]

Aradace wrote...

I seriously hope BW doesnt start giving fan service to the "gay" community. Seriously, (Asari aside and talking about RL anyway.) had nature intended for Humans to be "gay" they would have made it so that we can reproduce Asexually like the Asari. But, seeing as how (aside from adoption or artificial insemination) nature doesnt work that way, it makes homosexuality "wrong" from a nature standpoint.

I agree. To differ from the Natural Order is to be without purpose, to be defective. As an Athiest, my beliefs on this topic do not stem from blind "faith", but rather from a desire to adhere to the refining chaos which is natural selection and the natural order.

[Sphynx118]

Kaorunandrak wrote...

First of all I want to point this out before any one wants tosay I'm being a biggot. My mother is a lesbian I was raised by two women who were in love since I was 1 till I was 18 and moved out. That means the person I recognise as my father has breasts. I am straight I have a wife and a 3 year old daughter and i have no qualms about the gay/lesbian community.


Honestly the Devs stated this before in one of the many gay love threads. It has to do with the Character of Shep himself he isn't gay. The only reason you can have a gay relationship as a female Shep is because SHE isn't cannon so theres more leway there. It has nothing to do with being against gays or any other sort of biggotry.

They have stated the writers have a set story and established characters how they want in the Mass effect universe. Miranda isn't gay or bisexual so you can't "rub carpet" with her sorry. Niether is Tali or Jack. Though Jack is probally the closest to bisexual other then Sammara or Kelly Chambers.

This is the same reason why Shep can't have long hair. He/she is a soldier and has a soldier mindset from the writers standpoint so he/she has short mainly military styled hair cuts.

I'm sorry that people can't seem to grasp this concept but it doesnt change the facts about the ME storyline. Male shep isnt gay and Fem shep is limited to the Characters that are infact gay in the established storyline.

I just gotta ask  How did your parents decide who was gonna be the father in the relationship? Just curiosity. No offense meant

[Nozybidaj]

Come on, there is no way Miranda hasn't at least "experimented" in her time. She might not have been a f/f Ll in ME2 but I could completely see her character at least being interested in someone like FemShep.

[Yeled]

CrassKid wrote...

Given that player control over the story is one of Mass Effect's main features, however, I have to agree those who support the idea. Extra VA work aside, I see no harm with allowing each player decide who (s)he wants to romance and the nature of that romance. If someone wants their ManShep to have an intimate relationship with Garrus, then more power to them.

Right.  The idea isn't to make all characters bi.  The idea is to let the player choose to romance whomever they like.  So if in my game I want to pursue a m/m relationship with Jacob or a f/f relationship with Miranda, Jacob/Miranda can be homosexual.  Meanwhile, in a game where a player prefers m/f relationships, Jacob and Miranda can be straight.

This isn't an attempt to hide the gay relationships, but to allow for player preference.

The trick is designing the interface a bit differently.  I agree getting hit on by everyone would be kinda lame.  So let the players make choices that flag dialogue options the game can pick up on, or simply mark potential romance options so players can choose them.

[newcomplex]

voidcommander9111980 wrote...

MIRANDA SUCKS !!!

poorly.    Look at those teeth, eeww.  

Sphynx118 wrote...

Kaorunandrak wrote...

First
of all I want to point this out before any one wants tosay I'm being a
biggot. My mother is a lesbian I was raised by two women who were in
love since I was 1 till I was 18 and moved out. That means the person I
recognise as my father has breasts. I am straight I have a wife and a 3
year old daughter and i have no qualms about the gay/lesbian community.


Honestly
the Devs stated this before in one of the many gay love threads. It has
to do with the Character of Shep himself he isn't gay. The only reason
you can have a gay relationship as a female Shep is because SHE isn't
cannon so theres more leway there. It has nothing to do with being
against gays or any other sort of biggotry.

They have stated the
writers have a set story and established characters how they want in
the Mass effect universe. Miranda isn't gay or bisexual so you can't
"rub carpet" with her sorry. Niether is Tali or Jack. Though Jack is
probally the closest to bisexual other then Sammara or Kelly Chambers.

This
is the same reason why Shep can't have long hair. He/she is a soldier
and has a soldier mindset from the writers standpoint so he/she has
short mainly military styled hair cuts.

I'm sorry that people
can't seem to grasp this concept but it doesnt change the facts about
the ME storyline. Male shep isnt gay and Fem shep is limited to the
Characters that are infact gay in the established storyline.

I
just gotta ask  How did your parents decide who was gonna be the
father in the relationship? Just curiosity. No offense meant ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png

Whos on top whos on bottom?



lol sorry if I've made horrendously insensitive jokes in this thread .    I'm only kidding, no ill intentions meant.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 19 février 2010 - 09:35 .

[The Angry One]

voidcommander9111980 wrote...

MIRANDA SUCKS !!!

And that's why she doesn't like girls.

*rimshot*

[Ailith Tycane]

Luc0s wrote...
Yes, we should be beyond that. But changing every squad-member in Mass Effect just so everyone can romance them doesn't make a whole lot sense. I am openminded towards sex(uallity), but the fact is that the majority of humanity is still straight. Changing 50% of Shepard's squad to bisexual just doesn't make sense.

Everyone keeps using the word "bisexual".

Why do they have to be bi? Why cant they be straight or gay depending on the PC and how they want to play their game?

Make the characters sexuality ambigous is all I'm saying, no nessicarily "bisexual".

Yeled wrote...

Right.  The idea isn't to make all
characters bi.  The idea is to let the player choose to romance
whomever they like.  So if in my game I want to pursue a m/m
relationship with Jacob or a f/f relationship with Miranda,
Jacob/Miranda can be homosexual.  Meanwhile, in a game where a player
prefers m/f relationships, Jacob and Miranda can be straight.

This isn't an attempt to hide the gay relationships, but to allow for player preference.

The
trick is designing the interface a bit differently.  I agree getting
hit on by everyone would be kinda lame.  So let the players make
choices that flag dialogue options the game can pick up on, or simply
mark potential romance options so players can choose them.

Exactly, lol

Modifié par Ailith430, 19 février 2010 - 09:36 .

[Aradace]

Alexandus wrote...

Aradace wrote...

I seriously hope BW doesnt start giving fan service to the "gay" community. Seriously, (Asari aside and talking about RL anyway.) had nature intended for Humans to be "gay" they would have made it so that we can reproduce Asexually like the Asari. But, seeing as how (aside from adoption or artificial insemination) nature doesnt work that way, it makes homosexuality "wrong" from a nature standpoint.

I agree. To differ from the Natural Order is to be without purpose, to be defective. As an Athiest, my beliefs on this topic do not stem from blind "faith", but rather from a desire to adhere to the refining chaos which is natural selection and the natural order.

Holy towering infernoes batman!!! Someone who gets it!!! lol Seriously, thank you for finding the words I could not.

[Sphynx118]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Come on, there is no way Miranda hasn't at least "experimented" in her time. She might not have been a f/f Ll in ME2 but I could completely see her character at least being interested in someone like FemShep.

Not every person is bi. So no she probably hasnt

[The Angry One]

Ailith430 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
Yes, we should be beyond that. But changing every squad-member in Mass Effect just so everyone can romance them doesn't make a whole lot sense. I am openminded towards sex(uallity), but the fact is that the majority of humanity is still straight. Changing 50% of Shepard's squad to bisexual just doesn't make sense.

Everyone keeps using the word "bisexual".

Why do they have to be bi? Why cant they be straight or gay depending on the PC and how they want to play their game?

Make the characters sexuality ambigous is all I'm saying, no nessicarily "bisexual".

True.
Hell let's just say they're Shepsexual. They want whatever Shep is!

[jlb524]

The Angry One wrote...

voidcommander9111980 wrote...

MIRANDA SUCKS !!!

And that's why she doesn't like girls.

Not necessarily....

[Mox Ruuga]

voidcommander9111980 wrote...

MIRANDA SUCKS !!!

face with FemShep in the video.

And it was gorg, I agree.

[tmp7704]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Kelly Chambers:  "It is the character of a person that matters.  Not race or gender."

And sexual orientation is part of being "a person", unrelated to their race or gender. Ergo, changing that orientation creates a different person.

Now, you can still like this new, different person but there's no basis to insist they're absolutely the same character they were before.

[The Angry One]

Aradace wrote...

Alexandus wrote...

Aradace wrote...

I seriously hope BW doesnt start giving fan service to the "gay" community. Seriously, (Asari aside and talking about RL anyway.) had nature intended for Humans to be "gay" they would have made it so that we can reproduce Asexually like the Asari. But, seeing as how (aside from adoption or artificial insemination) nature doesnt work that way, it makes homosexuality "wrong" from a nature standpoint.

I agree. To differ from the Natural Order is to be without purpose, to be defective. As an Athiest, my beliefs on this topic do not stem from blind "faith", but rather from a desire to adhere to the refining chaos which is natural selection and the natural order.

Holy towering infernoes batman!!! Someone who gets it!!! lol Seriously, thank you for finding the words I could not.

I assume neither of you use antibiotics then, or man made medicine in general. Or approve of aiding the elderly, infirm or disabled.
Natural selection must trump all, man.

[Sphynx118]

Ailith430 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
Yes, we should be beyond that. But changing every squad-member in Mass Effect just so everyone can romance them doesn't make a whole lot sense. I am openminded towards sex(uallity), but the fact is that the majority of humanity is still straight. Changing 50% of Shepard's squad to bisexual just doesn't make sense.

Everyone keeps using the word "bisexual".

Why do they have to be bi? Why cant they be straight or gay depending on the PC and how they want to play their game?

Make the characters sexuality ambigous is all I'm saying, no nessicarily "bisexual".

Yeled wrote...

Right.  The idea isn't to make all
characters bi.  The idea is to let the player choose to romance
whomever they like.  So if in my game I want to pursue a m/m
relationship with Jacob or a f/f relationship with Miranda,
Jacob/Miranda can be homosexual.  Meanwhile, in a game where a player
prefers m/f relationships, Jacob and Miranda can be straight.

This isn't an attempt to hide the gay relationships, but to allow for player preference.

The
trick is designing the interface a bit differently.  I agree getting
hit on by everyone would be kinda lame.  So let the players make
choices that flag dialogue options the game can pick up on, or simply
mark potential romance options so players can choose them.

Exactly, lol

So you want a "Turn on/off gay romances" switch?

[Ailith Tycane]

Alexandus wrote...

Aradace wrote...

I seriously hope BW doesnt start giving fan service to the "gay" community. Seriously, (Asari aside and talking about RL anyway.) had nature intended for Humans to be "gay" they would have made it so that we can reproduce Asexually like the Asari. But, seeing as how (aside from adoption or artificial insemination) nature doesnt work that way, it makes homosexuality "wrong" from a nature standpoint.

I agree. To differ from the Natural Order is to be without purpose, to be defective. As an Athiest, my beliefs on this topic do not stem from blind "faith", but rather from a desire to adhere to the refining chaos which is natural selection and the natural order.

But homosexuality occurs quite often in nature, so whos to say it doesnt have a purpose? Population control seems like a viable explination.

[Ailith Tycane]

tmp7704 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Kelly Chambers:  "It is the character of a person that matters.  Not race or gender."

And sexual orientation is part of being "a person", unrelated to their race or gender. Ergo, changing that orientation creates a different person.

Now, you can still like this new, different person but there's no basis to insist they're absolutely the same character they were before.

NO, it doesnt. Like Ive said about 50 times already in this thread, a persons sexualuality doesnt define them.