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[Aradace]

@sphynx



I didnt think I had to specify this put perhaps I do...I WILL fight for my own survival. Make no mistake, I will not roll over and die for anyone so long as I have the option to do so. However, if I die in the exchange, then I feel I have died a good death and therefore have no regrets. When your number is up, it's over. Now, against something like cancer, that is nature itself telling my I am unworthy and therefore nothing I can do about it so no sense mulling over it.



Im not saying I dont have the will to live, Im merely saying that death doesnt hold the "fear" over me like it does most other people.

[Nozybidaj]

Yeled wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

I could see Miranda being drawn to a powerful person like Shep regardless of whether they are Male/Female.  To me it would just seem very in character for her.  Not so much for other characters, but definitely Miranda.  So yeah I would probably say she has.

I agree.  My sense is Miranda is attracted to strength.  She admires Shepard, because Shepard was not genetically engineered to be great.  Shepard made him/herself great because of who Shep is.

To me, I think its much more in Miranda's character to be attracted to Shep's strength rather than Shep's gender.

This is more the point I wanted to make.  Thanks.

[Ailith Tycane]

tmp7704 wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

NO, it doesnt. Like Ive said about 50 times already in this thread, a persons sexualuality doesnt define them.

Can you explain exactly why it doesn't define the character?

The way i see it, it's a part of character's definition as it shapes their preferences and the way they see things. A character with preference towards certain gender is likely to treat characters of that gender in certain manner. Without this preference their treatment (as well as motivations for that treatment) is given to be different.

Like I said earlier, pick three words to describe a particular character's personality, and "straight" or "gay" would never be among them, because a persons sexuality isnto a character trait.

If you had to picl three words to describe yourself as a person, would you include your sexual preference? No, because it's not what defines you.

[Sphynx118]

Aradace wrote...

@sphynx

I didnt think I had to specify this put perhaps I do...I WILL fight for my own survival. Make no mistake, I will not roll over and die for anyone so long as I have the option to do so. However, if I die in the exchange, then I feel I have died a good death and therefore have no regrets. When your number is up, it's over. Now, against something like cancer, that is nature itself telling my I am unworthy and therefore nothing I can do about it so no sense mulling over it.

Im not saying I dont have the will to live, Im merely saying that death doesnt hold the "fear" over me like it does most other people.

I totally read that in Leonidas voice you know Alot of what you say has been said in the movie 300..Dunno if theres a connection or not

[Alexandus]

Aradace wrote...

Alexandus wrote...

Aradace wrote...

I seriously hope BW doesnt start giving fan service to the "gay" community. Seriously, (Asari aside and talking about RL anyway.) had nature intended for Humans to be "gay" they would have made it so that we can reproduce Asexually like the Asari. But, seeing as how (aside from adoption or artificial insemination) nature doesnt work that way, it makes homosexuality "wrong" from a nature standpoint.

I agree. To differ from the Natural Order is to be without purpose, to be defective. As an Athiest, my beliefs on this topic do not stem from blind "faith", but rather from a desire to adhere to the refining chaos which is natural selection and the natural order.

Holy towering infernoes batman!!! Someone who gets it!!! lol Seriously, thank you for finding the words I could not.

My pleasure. I've had plenty of practice with wording my opinions, through arguing with my college professors, haha.

Nature intended individuals of the same gender to be rivals or allies/friends, nothing more.

Those of you who've strayed from the natural order and wish to return, I suggest you start by removing yourself from television media for a while, take up a sport, such as martial arts, and endeavor to improve your mental state through chess and other such exercises. Your purpose should return in time, with those improvements, and without the taint of shows like Family Guy who support defectiveness.

[tmp7704]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Now, you can still like this new, different person but there's no basis to insist they're absolutely the same character they were before.

So you're saying the majority of what defines a person's character is sexual preference?

No, i'm saying it is a part of definition. And that it has rather large impact on the interactions between characters.

This very thread is a proof of it, actually -- note it basically revolves about having the player's character to be able to interact with NPCs in certain manner, manner which is based on sexual attraction which in turn stems from the said sexual orientation.

[Aradace]

Ailith430 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

NO, it doesnt. Like Ive said about 50 times already in this thread, a persons sexualuality doesnt define them.

Can you explain exactly why it doesn't define the character?

The way i see it, it's a part of character's definition as it shapes their preferences and the way they see things. A character with preference towards certain gender is likely to treat characters of that gender in certain manner. Without this preference their treatment (as well as motivations for that treatment) is given to be different.

Like I said earlier, pick three words to describe a particular character's personality, and "straight" or "gay" would never be among them, because a persons sexuality isnto a character trait.

If you had to picl three words to describe yourself as a person, would you include your sexual preference? No, because it's not what defines you.

True but at the same time if someone youve always known or thought to be strait suddenly comes up to you (most people anyway) and says "By the way Im gay..." Some people (myself among them) would think VERY differently of them from that point on and even go so far in some cases as to break off said friendship.

[Valmy]

Ailith430 wrote...
If you had to picl three words to describe yourself as a person, would you include your sexual preference? No, because it's not what defines you.

I guess I do not get this arguement.  I mean it does not necessarily define you but it certainly could if you decide that is a defining aspect of yourself.

[Terraneaux]

Nozybidaj wrote...

This is more the point I wanted to make.  Thanks.

This is why I totally think Miranda should be into femShep.  But maybe that's just my kinky side talking .

[Cutlass Jack]

Alexandus wrote...

Those of you who've strayed from the natural order and wish to return, I suggest you start by removing yourself from television media for a while, take up a sport, such as martial arts, and endeavor to improve your mental state through chess and other such exercises. Your purpose should return in time, with those improvements, and without the taint of shows like Family Guy who support defectiveness.

There's extremely funny and ironic about reading this on a forum for a video game.

[Sphynx118]

Ailith430 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

NO, it doesnt. Like Ive said about 50 times already in this thread, a persons sexualuality doesnt define them.

Can you explain exactly why it doesn't define the character?

The way i see it, it's a part of character's definition as it shapes their preferences and the way they see things. A character with preference towards certain gender is likely to treat characters of that gender in certain manner. Without this preference their treatment (as well as motivations for that treatment) is given to be different.

Like I said earlier, pick three words to describe a particular character's personality, and "straight" or "gay" would never be among them, because a persons sexuality isnto a character trait.

If you had to picl three words to describe yourself as a person, would you include your sexual preference? No, because it's not what defines you.

I wouldnt be saying that im straight because people asume that unless you say otherwise. Would be like saying im human. But if i was gay and proud of it then i would definetly describe myself as such. Wouldnt you?

[gemc123]

Aradace wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

NO, it doesnt. Like Ive said about 50 times already in this thread, a persons sexualuality doesnt define them.

Can you explain exactly why it doesn't define the character?

The way i see it, it's a part of character's definition as it shapes their preferences and the way they see things. A character with preference towards certain gender is likely to treat characters of that gender in certain manner. Without this preference their treatment (as well as motivations for that treatment) is given to be different.

Like I said earlier, pick three words to describe a particular character's personality, and "straight" or "gay" would never be among them, because a persons sexuality isnto a character trait.

If you had to picl three words to describe yourself as a person, would you include your sexual preference? No, because it's not what defines you.

True but at the same time if someone youve always known or thought to be strait suddenly comes up to you (most people anyway) and says "By the way Im gay..." Some people (myself among them) would think VERY differently of them from that point on and even go so far in some cases as to break off said friendship.

why, can I ask? Their personality hasn't changed, so why stop being friends with them?

[eternalnightmare13]

If they made some characters bisexual and even threw in a gay/lesbian character I think they should change the way that ''romances'' develop in the game.



When I played the game with my Fem Shep and talked to Jacob the first time on the Normandy it was a little over the top. I picked the paragon response to him, and didn't expect it to pan up his manhood and practically hear funky bass player.



In DAO it seems like you have to jump through more proverbial hoops to get to a romance stage regardless of the sexual orientation. If ME3 or future ME games include romances of ANY sexual orientation they should be that way.



Romances should be a subplot not in your face. yIf you want that go play Sims or some other social game.

[Alexandus]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Alexandus wrote...

Those of you who've strayed from the natural order and wish to return, I suggest you start by removing yourself from television media for a while, take up a sport, such as martial arts, and endeavor to improve your mental state through chess and other such exercises. Your purpose should return in time, with those improvements, and without the taint of shows like Family Guy who support defectiveness.

There's extremely funny and ironic about reading this on a forum for a video game.

Heh, I suppose I can see your point.

Though I would argue that Video Games have their use in self-improvement, they've been shown to improve problem-solving skills, hand-eye coordination, among other things.

[Ailith Tycane]

Aradace wrote...
True but at the same time if someone youve always known or thought to be strait suddenly comes up to you (most people anyway) and says "By the way Im gay..." Some people (myself among them) would think VERY differently of them from that point on and even go so far in some cases as to break off said friendship.

Then that says something about YOUR character, not theirs.

[Yeled]

Alexandus wrote...

My pleasure. I've had plenty of practice with wording my opinions, through arguing with my college professors, haha.

Nature intended individuals of the same gender to be rivals or allies/friends, nothing more.

Those of you who've strayed from the natural order and wish to return, I suggest you start by removing yourself from television media for a while, take up a sport, such as martial arts, and endeavor to improve your mental state through chess and other such exercises. Your purpose should return in time, with those improvements, and without the taint of shows like Family Guy who support defectiveness.

Who is this Nature of whom you speak?  What kinds of animal sacrifices does He prefer?  If I slaughter my goat to Him will he bless my house?  If I turn away from my gay-friendly ways will He ensure that the Babylonians will not destroy His temple?

Modifié par Yeled, 19 février 2010 - 10:02 .

[The Angry One]

Alexandus wrote...

Those of you who've strayed from the natural order and wish to return, I suggest you start by removing yourself from television media for a while, take up a sport, such as martial arts, and endeavor to improve your mental state through chess and other such exercises. Your purpose should return in time, with those improvements, and without the taint of shows like Family Guy who support defectiveness.

You realise you're giving this advice while typing on an evil man made keyboard connected to a foul machine integrated into the techno-oppression network of the world wide web?

[Sphynx118]

Littledoom wrote...

Nice video and not surprisingly it brought out all the crazy hateful people.

We are all crazy and hateful because we oppose a same sex choice with miranda.
Just like all gay people are crazy and drink blood while praying to satan. Generalizing is fun isnt it? -.-

[Aradace]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

@sphynx

I didnt think I had to specify this put perhaps I do...I WILL fight for my own survival. Make no mistake, I will not roll over and die for anyone so long as I have the option to do so. However, if I die in the exchange, then I feel I have died a good death and therefore have no regrets. When your number is up, it's over. Now, against something like cancer, that is nature itself telling my I am unworthy and therefore nothing I can do about it so no sense mulling over it.

Im not saying I dont have the will to live, Im merely saying that death doesnt hold the "fear" over me like it does most other people.

I totally read that in Leonidas voice you know Alot of what you say has been said in the movie 300..Dunno if theres a connection or not

Coincidence I assure you lol...Im an ex-infantryman if that clarifies things at all.  Ive merely studied the Roman/Spartan way of life in terms of where their warriors come from and their mentalities.  I totally appreciate the Leonidas comment though lol.  That's the way I want to go too when I do go...I want to go out fighting if I have the opportunity to do so

[Nozybidaj]

Sphynx118 wrote...

I wouldnt be saying that im straight because people asume that unless you say otherwise. Would be like saying im human. But if i was gay and proud of it then i would definetly describe myself as such. Wouldnt you?

Probably not.  Of the few gay people I have known they never felt this need to tell me all about it.  It's just who they were.  It's not like the first time I met them they said "Hi my name is John and I'm totally gay" they just say "Hi my name is John".  I don't go around saying "Hi my name is John and I'm straight". 

Mostly because my name isn't John, but you get the point.

[Ailith Tycane]

Sphynx118 wrote...

I wouldnt be saying that im straight because people asume that unless you say otherwise. Would be like saying im human. But if i was gay and proud of it then i would definetly describe myself as such. Wouldnt you?

No. I'm bisexual, and "proud" of it I guess, but I wouldnt use that to describe myself, because its not a character trait, it's my sexual preference.

Modifié par Ailith430, 19 février 2010 - 10:00 .

[The Angry One]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

If they made some characters bisexual and even threw in a gay/lesbian character I think they should change the way that ''romances'' develop in the game.

When I played the game with my Fem Shep and talked to Jacob the first time on the Normandy it was a little over the top. I picked the paragon response to him, and didn't expect it to pan up his manhood and practically hear funky bass player.

In DAO it seems like you have to jump through more proverbial hoops to get to a romance stage regardless of the sexual orientation. If ME3 or future ME games include romances of ANY sexual orientation they should be that way.

Romances should be a subplot not in your face. yIf you want that go play Sims or some other social game.

Yeah lots of us have said that's part of the problem. The characters immediately express uncomfortable interest in you if you're the right gender, or practically ignore you.
Ironically except Miranda, who gushes over you regardless of gender.. then suddenly stops if you're a female.

[newcomplex]

You people are completely crazy if your saying that being gay has nothing to do with interacting with said individual.

Its like claiming that being a women or a man has nothing to do with interaction.

@aradace I'm curious, what is your religion?

Your probably going to say "Atheist", because I don't know too many religions that condone that kind of batcrazyiness.

Your not an Atheists.    Atheists worship nothing.    You worship natural order, you believe in perfection through fire of the human race to the point where you will lay down your life to ensure that.    That isn't atheist, thats fanaticism towards a religion you invented yourself.    


And you know what the ironic part is?   Your achieving the opposte, as a person who recieves treatment may live to care for their grand children, financially and emotionally support his chidren and grandchildren, perhaps, as a man, even have kids, while your just dieing off.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 19 février 2010 - 10:05 .