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Ailith430 wrote...

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True but at the same time if someone youve always known or thought to be strait suddenly comes up to you (most people anyway) and says "By the way Im gay..." Some people (myself among them) would think VERY differently of them from that point on and even go so far in some cases as to break off said friendship.


Then that says something about YOUR character, not theirs.


And that is precisely the point in question here...Some people would avoid those other characters altogether (possibly ruining LIs that were already established to begin with) if all of a sudden characters that were once thought strait, end up being gay/bi.

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Moding games without mod tools are reasons developers stop supporting PC titles...

edit: wrong word

Modifié par -Area51-Silent, 19 février 2010 - 10:05 .


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newcomplex wrote...

You people are completely crazy if your saying that being gay has nothing to do with interacting with said individual.

Its like claiming that being a women or a man has nothing to do with interaction. 


For me, for the most part it doesnt.

See, I strive to have androgynous characteristics, I feel it makes me a more rounded individual. I like femanine and masculine things, without straying too far to either side of the spectrum. When I talk to someone, I judge who they are based on their words and their actions, not bawsed on whats between their legs and who they like to sleep with.

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tmp7704 wrote...

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Now, you can still like this new, different person but there's no basis to insist they're absolutely the same character they were before.


So you're saying the majority of what defines a person's character is sexual preference?

No, i'm saying it is a part of definition. And that it has rather large impact on the interactions between characters.

This very thread is a proof of it, actually -- note it basically revolves about having the player's character to be able to interact with NPCs in certain manner, manner which is based on sexual attraction which in turn stems from the said sexual orientation.


I disagree. Sexual preference is a part of the definition, but not the defining part of the definition. At least insofar as what we learn about our squadmates during the course of the game. Not one character we meet in game ever defines themselves as a 'hetrosexual.' Not one.

Our definitions of them are defined by what we do learn about them. As someone said above, what attracts Miranda is your strength of character. Being the best humanity has to offer. The way you draw others to you. None of that has to do with gender. Bodies are just 'meat' to Jack. She doesn't care about anything. What makes her care is when you get into her head, not her pants.

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Ailith430 wrote...

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I wouldnt be saying that im straight because people asume that unless you say otherwise. Would be like saying im human. But if i was gay and proud of it then i would definetly describe myself as such. Wouldnt you?


No. I'm bisexual, and "proud" of it I guess, but I wouldnt use that to describe myself, because its not a character trait, it's my sexual preference.

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-Area51-Silent wrote...

Moding games without mod tools are reasons developers stop publishing PC titles...


Don't be ridiculous.

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newcomplex wrote...

You people are completely crazy if your saying that being gay has nothing to do with interacting with said individual.

Its like claiming that being a women or a man has nothing to do with interaction.

@aradace I'm curious, what is your religion?



I have no "religion" really...Well, not one that would be considered "mainstream" or accepted anyway.  I've always personally believed that if there is indeed a "higher power" at work in the universe, that even said "higher power" would need "assistance".  Meaning I dont believe in a "single" omnipotent (hope I spelled that correctly) being but rather "many" omnipotent beings.  A being that watches over and controls the wind for example.....A being that watches over and controls the water....And so on. 

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Modding games is part of the reason why developers continue to support PC titles lol, it adds extra income by catering to a niche userbase for minimal extra development on their end.

Aradace wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

You
people are completely crazy if your saying that being gay has nothing to
do with interacting with said individual.

Its like claiming that
being a women or a man has nothing to do with interaction.

@aradace
I'm curious, what is your religion?



I have no
"religion" really...Well, not one that would be considered "mainstream"
or accepted anyway.  I've always personally believed that if there is
indeed a "higher power" at work in the universe, that even said "higher
power" would need "assistance".  Meaning I dont believe in a
"single" omnipotent (hope I spelled that correctly) being but rather
"many" omnipotent beings.  A being that watches over and controls the
wind for example.....A being that watches over and controls the
water....And so on. 


eh...fair enough.    

A wise guy once said

"All religion is faith in oneself".    In other words, having faith isn't having faith in god, its having faith oneself that one can determine the existence of god, and which.   

Creating your own religion means you have a whole lot of faith in yourself lol.    Some may call that self confidence, others, arrogance and hubris.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 19 février 2010 - 10:09 .


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Aradace wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

You people are completely crazy if your saying that being gay has nothing to do with interacting with said individual.

Its like claiming that being a women or a man has nothing to do with interaction.

@aradace I'm curious, what is your religion?



I have no "religion" really...Well, not one that would be considered "mainstream" or accepted anyway.  I've always personally believed that if there is indeed a "higher power" at work in the universe, that even said "higher power" would need "assistance".  Meaning I dont believe in a "single" omnipotent (hope I spelled that correctly) being but rather "many" omnipotent beings.  A being that watches over and controls the wind for example.....A being that watches over and controls the water....And so on. 


So on top of everything else, a PAGAN.
Burn him!

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Aradace wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

Aradace wrote...
True but at the same time if someone youve always known or thought to be strait suddenly comes up to you (most people anyway) and says "By the way Im gay..." Some people (myself among them) would think VERY differently of them from that point on and even go so far in some cases as to break off said friendship.


Then that says something about YOUR character, not theirs.


And that is precisely the point in question here...Some people would avoid those other characters altogether (possibly ruining LIs that were already established to begin with) if all of a sudden characters that were once thought strait, end up being gay/bi.


but if you wanted to romance them as a straight man/woman, then they WOULD be straight, thats what I'm aiming for, lol.

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Aradace wrote...


Coincidence I assure you lol...Im an ex-infantryman if that clarifies things at all.  Ive merely studied the Roman/Spartan way of life in terms of where their warriors come from and their mentalities.  I totally appreciate the Leonidas comment though lol.  That's the way I want to go too when I do go...I want to go out fighting if I have the opportunity to do so Image IPB


I hate to do this...

You do know the Spartans (and most ancient Greeks) were pro-m/m relationships, right?  If you studied them you know that they saw relationships between soldiers as positive for their military.  The men would form tight bonds and fight to protect one another.

Of course they required their soldiers to marry women and produce future Spartan warriors, but in mysogonistic Greece the women were of secondary importance.  They were there to make babies for the army.   The relationships between soldiers were equally important and possibly thought of as more fulfilling (since ancient Greeks saw women as less intelligent and less worthy of men's love).

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I am not being rediculous, if they intend for their product to be modded, as they did with DA:O they would relase tools to do so. By modding a game that does not have the tools available to do so, is basically taking control of their product, their story.

If you haven't noticed a trend of publishers and developers moving away from the PC community, its happening. I don't like it, but this has been a core issue for years of you read some if the old articles.

Modifié par -Area51-Silent, 19 février 2010 - 10:09 .


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The Angry One wrote...

Aradace wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

You people are completely crazy if your saying that being gay has nothing to do with interacting with said individual.

Its like claiming that being a women or a man has nothing to do with interaction.

@aradace I'm curious, what is your religion?



I have no "religion" really...Well, not one that would be considered "mainstream" or accepted anyway.  I've always personally believed that if there is indeed a "higher power" at work in the universe, that even said "higher power" would need "assistance".  Meaning I dont believe in a "single" omnipotent (hope I spelled that correctly) being but rather "many" omnipotent beings.  A being that watches over and controls the wind for example.....A being that watches over and controls the water....And so on. 


So on top of everything else, a PAGAN.
Burn him!

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live!!

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Yeled wrote...

Aradace wrote...


Coincidence I assure you lol...Im an ex-infantryman if that clarifies things at all.  Ive merely studied the Roman/Spartan way of life in terms of where their warriors come from and their mentalities.  I totally appreciate the Leonidas comment though lol.  That's the way I want to go too when I do go...I want to go out fighting if I have the opportunity to do so Image IPB


I hate to do this...

You do know the Spartans (and most ancient Greeks) were pro-m/m relationships, right?  If you studied them you know that they saw relationships between soldiers as positive for their military.  The men would form tight bonds and fight to protect one another.

Of course they required their soldiers to marry women and produce future Spartan warriors, but in mysogonistic Greece the women were of secondary importance.  They were there to make babies for the army.   The relationships between soldiers were equally important and possibly thought of as more fulfilling (since ancient Greeks saw women as less intelligent and less worthy of men's love).


Yes, I do know this...Just because I respect how their warriors are bred doesnt mean that I agree with all of their methods...I merely meant the manner in which they conduct themselves on the field.  Of all the things spartan, that's the only part of their culture I absolutely abhored.

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Yeled wrote...

Aradace wrote...


Coincidence I assure you lol...Im an ex-infantryman if that clarifies things at all.  Ive merely studied the Roman/Spartan way of life in terms of where their warriors come from and their mentalities.  I totally appreciate the Leonidas comment though lol.  That's the way I want to go too when I do go...I want to go out fighting if I have the opportunity to do so Image IPB


I hate to do this...

You do know the Spartans (and most ancient Greeks) were pro-m/m relationships, right?  If you studied them you know that they saw relationships between soldiers as positive for their military.  The men would form tight bonds and fight to protect one another.

Of course they required their soldiers to marry women and produce future Spartan warriors, but in mysogonistic Greece the women were of secondary importance.  They were there to make babies for the army.   The relationships between soldiers were equally important and possibly thought of as more fulfilling (since ancient Greeks saw women as less intelligent and less worthy of men's love).

OH SNAP!

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Sphynx118 wrote...


Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live!!


I'd like to watch the puritans try to burn a bad ass Viking for being "pagan" instead of some innocent girl for being a "witch" lol. That would be fun.

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I've been called a "witch" and even a "Warlock" lol...Ive never claimed such titles but if that is what best describes my "beliefs" then so be it :)

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Scissor me timbers!

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-Area51-Silent wrote...

I am not being rediculous, if they intend for their product to be modded, as they did with DA:O they would relase tools to do so. By modding a game that does not have the tools available to do so, is basically taking control of their product, their story.

If you haven't noticed a trend of publishers and developers moving away from the PC community, its happening. I don't like it, but this has been a core issue for years of you read some if the old articles.


Yes I'm sure there's a BioWare developer out there right now who is furious because I gave my FemShep an npc only hairstyle and an Alliance captain's uniform, and because some of us are messing around with save files and making certain impossible scenes possible.

The reasons PC development has dropped are due to entirely different factors than this incredibly minor thing.

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newcomplex wrote...

If your an atheist, the natural order has no relevance. It doesn't matter, its just a set of mathematical equations encoded in our DNA. Adherence to natural order is a construction built by society, through our genetic preferences, made to help pass along our DNA.

Your not an Atheist, your god is evolution. Evolution has no will, it has no design, it has no purpose. Blindly following something that is insentient, imperfect, and random is as illogical as following a book some guy wrote. Evolution is a law to be manipulated, not followed.

To reject a god is to reject external meaning, unless said meaning is factually connected to your internal stream of consciousness (or information rather). Nothing has ever qualified for the latter.    Internal meaning says a few thing things.    To reproduce, to live, to eat, and lastly, to think of your own accord.    You follow rules, laws, to ensure your functionality in society.   You do these things because hey, why not.     Its not like death is any more meaningful then life, or any less meaningful.    It simply is, just as life simply is, and you might as well go along with it.   

Saying "I'm just going to listen to natural selection" is a ****ing religion.    It is the definition of religion.   It has no more relavence to your internal state of consciousness, or the only one that matters, because it occurs over the course of hundreds of thousands of years, as the position of celestial bodies.    In fact, it has less relavence, at least the moon makes tides, and tides are enjoyable, you can collect crabs and crabs are yummy.    

If I'm following a natural law irrelevent to my existence, I might as well divine the position of uranus to tell me what to eat tommorow, both are equally as logical from an athiests perspective.

Your not an atheist, you believe in god, and he isn't even an infallible personification of infinity made into terms humanitity can comprehend, hes just a pattern.    A pattern we've noticed 150 years ago.    You know what else we noticed 150 years ago?    That the universe ended after our solar system, though i guess we correctly identified we werent at the center of it.    

Sorry, even christians are better then darwinists.   

I'm not saying evolution isn't true.    It probably is, more or less.    But it isn't some infallible god, as you make it out to be, its a mere pattern which holds no relavence on our daily existence.     A mere pattern which we understand very little about.   


*laughs* Yes, as an Athiest I know that when my form falters, my consciousness will disappear with it. Everything I have striven for or accomplished will be rendered null and void, from the perspective of nothingness.

But if all you take from that belief is "Oh well...nothing matters anyway, what is the point", I pity you.

Athiest's must decree purpose for themselves. What better purpose is there to latch onto then to follow our genetic instructions? To observe and decide that following the natural order is the best way for our species to survive, improve, and thrive.

I'm well aware that latching onto purpose in this manner is as pathetic as a comfort blanket, but I'm only human ;)

Our base drive is first, to preserve and improve ourself, and second, to preserve and improve our species. Listening to that drive is not a religion.

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CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Just to play Devil's Advocate here...

Luviticus 18:22

 22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.


Any Christian or Jew should rightfully be against it.  Just sayin'.

Note:  I personally don't care either way, and I find religion to be pure hypocrasy in the first place, but let's not get into that.



...Of course they shouldn't pick & choose which bits of Leviticus etc. to follow...

http://www.snopes.co...ion/drlaura.asp

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-Area51-Silent wrote...

I am not being rediculous, if they intend for their product to be modded, as they did with DA:O they would relase tools to do so. By modding a game that does not have the tools available to do so, is basically taking control of their product, their story.

If you haven't noticed a trend of publishers and developers moving away from the PC community, its happening. I don't like it, but this has been a core issue for years of you read some if the old articles.


Which is why they haven't closed down this, or the 34 page modding thread right?

But if you make a thread discussing warez or piracy, you get banned.    

Console popularity among masses, exlusivity contracts, microsoft game publishing studios, the fact that the PS3's coding infrastruture makes ports to PC more expensive, and PIRACY, not to forget, are the main causes.    

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Aradace wrote...

I've been called a "witch" and even a "Warlock" lol...Ive never claimed such titles but if that is what best describes my "beliefs" then so be it :)

I bet you read Malleus Maleficarum at night too Image IPB

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ALERT ALERT ALERT



Social Darwinist content of topic reaching critical mass, possibility of Godwin's Law being invoked approaching 100%.

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The Angry One wrote...

-Area51-Silent wrote...

I am not being rediculous, if they intend for their product to be modded, as they did with DA:O they would relase tools to do so. By modding a game that does not have the tools available to do so, is basically taking control of their product, their story.

If you haven't noticed a trend of publishers and developers moving away from the PC community, its happening. I don't like it, but this has been a core issue for years of you read some if the old articles.


Yes I'm sure there's a BioWare developer out there right now who is furious because I gave my FemShep an npc only hairstyle and an Alliance captain's uniform, and because some of us are messing around with save files and making certain impossible scenes possible.

The reasons PC development has dropped are due to entirely different factors than this incredibly minor thing.


The specific mod is completely irrelevent to the reasoning. Creative control has lead to it, I hate to use these examples but if you look at the progression of CoD:MW2, you will notice that no Mod tools exist, no dedicated server, nothing! companies want control of their products, control over how its experienced and what happens. The move away from the PC community has a few great reasons, but not being able to retain creative control over their product is one for sure. And I wouldnt be surprised if there was a consequence in ME3 for doing it (such as not being able to import your saved game).