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[Aradace]

You'd have to have listened to Robin Williams to know what Im talking about first and foremost...hehe

[Ailith Tycane]

Jarcander wrote...

Ah religion, you old ****got. I wonder what Christianity would've been like if the people writing it had been gay, like totally with robes in all the colours of the rainbow? I bet the crusade would've been a lot funnier at least.

I dunno about funnier, but it would have definately been more FABULOUS!

[newcomplex]

Actually, the bible doesn't even acknowledge the existence of romantic love.



Romantic love doesn't even exist until six to five hundred years ago in the west, though eastern cultures have used it in literature for thousands of years.

[Aradace]

Jarcander wrote...

Ah religion, you old ****got. I wonder what Christianity would've been like if the people writing it had been gay, like totally with robes in all the colours of the rainbow? I bet the crusade would've been a lot funnier at least.

Instead of the Knights Templar it would have been the Knights Humplar.....or...something...lol

[Ailith Tycane]

newcomplex wrote...

Actually, the bible doesn't even acknowledge the existence of romantic love.

Romantic love doesn't even exist until six to five hundred years ago in the west, though eastern cultures have used it in literature for thousands of years.

Thats because before then, the west had a little something called the "dark ages". No one wrote anything down because they were busy trying not to die.

[newcomplex]

Ailith430 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Actually, the bible doesn't even acknowledge the existence of romantic love.

Romantic love doesn't even exist until six to five hundred years ago in the west, though eastern cultures have used it in literature for thousands of years.

Thats because before then, the west had a little something called the "dark ages". No one wrote anything down because they were busy trying not to die.

fair enough.   

[Aradace]

Plague anyone? lol

[Sphynx118]

Ailith430 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Actually, the bible doesn't even acknowledge the existence of romantic love.

Romantic love doesn't even exist until six to five hundred years ago in the west, though eastern cultures have used it in literature for thousands of years.

Thats because before then, the west had a little something called the "dark ages". No one wrote anything down because they were busy trying not to die.

Damn witches flying around killing honest folks

[Alexandus]

Maria Caliban wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

If your an atheist, the natural order has no relevance.

That's incorrect. Atheists do not believe in the divine. Being an atheist has no bearing on whether you believe in a natural order, or if you believe a natural order has relevance.

I know several atheists who are involved in the green movement, and attempt to minimize their impact on the planet and that of other human beings. They see a large number of human activities as having a negatively affecting the natural order, which is something relevant to them.

Then again, most atheists I know don’t consider same-sex attraction unnatural or against the natural order.

I support intelligent conservation of the environment, for each decision we must consider the impact for seven generations. However, we should not use Government as a lever to effect such change. Control like that inevitably leads to a backlash.

I don't really have a problem with defective individuals, I'll even give them a Darwin Award for removing themselves from the gene pool, but I get irritable when it's a everpresent phenomena in the media.

Like in Dragon Age...Zevran could have been a cool character if not tainted. On subsequent playthroughs I took it upon myself to kill him immediately after his ambush of our party.

[Valmy]

newcomplex wrote...

Actually, the bible doesn't even acknowledge the existence of romantic love.

Romantic love doesn't even exist until six to five hundred years ago in the west, though eastern cultures have used it in literature for thousands of years.

So when Catullus writes those love poems in ancient Rome he was in the East?

And the Bible was written in the West now?  I suppose by that logic the Quran is also a western book.

[Sphynx118]

Valmy wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Actually, the bible doesn't even acknowledge the existence of romantic love.

Romantic love doesn't even exist until six to five hundred years ago in the west, though eastern cultures have used it in literature for thousands of years.

So when Catullus writes those love poems in ancient Rome he was in the East?

And the Bible was written in the West now?  I suppose by that logic the Quran is also a western book.

Catullus? or CTHULU?

[The Angry One]

Luc0s wrote...

Owwwwww please, are we allowing creationist v.s evolutionist bullsh*t into a Mass Effect forum now?

No, people are talking about applying social Darwinism to their lives.
Social Darwinism is applying the rules of evolution to a sapient society, which doesn't work because survival of the fittest doesn't apply to us.

[newcomplex]

The Angry One wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Owwwwww please, are we allowing creationist v.s evolutionist bullsh*t into a Mass Effect forum now?

No, people are talking about applying social Darwinism to their lives.
Social Darwinism is applying the rules of evolution to a sapient society, which doesn't work because survival of the fittest doesn't apply to us.

lolwut?

Yes it does, just in different ways, where intellect, empathy, communication skills, social skills etc are valued more.    

[Sphynx118]

We kinda ran out of stuff to talk about if you havent noticed

[Ailith Tycane]

Valmy wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Actually, the bible doesn't even acknowledge the existence of romantic love.

Romantic love doesn't even exist until six to five hundred years ago in the west, though eastern cultures have used it in literature for thousands of years.

So when Catullus writes those love poems in ancient Rome he was in the East?

And the Bible was written in the West now?  I suppose by that logic the Quran is also a western book.

He does have a point. Pre-medieval cultures in the west talked about romantic love quite a bit.

"Frankly I wish I were dead
When she left, she wept
a great deal; she said to me, "This parting must be
endured, Sappho. I go unwillingly."
I said, "Go, and be happy
but remember (you know
well) whom you leave shackled by love
"If you forget me, think
of our gifts to Aphrodite
and all the loveliness that we shared
"all the violet tiaras,
braided rosebuds, dill and
crocus twined around your young neck
"myrrh poured on your head
and on soft mats girls with
all that they most wished for beside them
"while no voices chanted
choruses without ours,
no woodlot bloomed in spring without song..."

Sounds pretty romantic to me. lol.

[Jarcander]

Luc0s wrote...

Can you theists and atheist please continue this debate somewhere else? Let's just stick to the original topic, plz.

Oh right, I forgot to comment on the video. Ass Crusaders... hehe... anyway, it was hot and it should've been included in the original game content.

[newcomplex]

Ailith430 wrote...

Valmy wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Actually, the bible doesn't even acknowledge the existence of romantic love.

Romantic love doesn't even exist until six to five hundred years ago in the west, though eastern cultures have used it in literature for thousands of years.

So when Catullus writes those love poems in ancient Rome he was in the East?

And the Bible was written in the West now?  I suppose by that logic the Quran is also a western book.

He does have a point. Pre-medieval cultures in the west talked about romantic love quite a bit.

"Frankly I wish I were dead
When she left, she wept
a great deal; she said to me, "This parting must be
endured, Sappho. I go unwillingly."
I said, "Go, and be happy
but remember (you know
well) whom you leave shackled by love
"If you forget me, think
of our gifts to Aphrodite
and all the loveliness that we shared
"all the violet tiaras,
braided rosebuds, dill and
crocus twined around your young neck
"myrrh poured on your head
and on soft mats girls with
all that they most wished for beside them
"while no voices chanted
choruses without ours,
no woodlot bloomed in spring without song..."

Sounds pretty romantic to me. lol.

A key aspect of romantic love is the reciprocation of love among both parties.    

Not just a guy lusting over a girl.   

[Ailith Tycane]

Sphynx118 wrote...

We kinda ran out of stuff to talk about if you havent noticed

Yeah, the original topic has been talked about, not much more to say. I still stand by my the idea that romanceable characters sexualities should be ambiguous, but thats just me.

Modifié par Ailith430, 19 février 2010 - 10:39 .

[Valmy]

newcomplex wrote...
A key aspect of romantic love is the reciprocation of love among both parties.    

Not just a guy lusting over a girl.   

Dude...that's Sappho...that is a girl lusting after a girl.

[Ailith Tycane]

newcomplex wrote...

A key aspect of romantic love is the reciprocation of love among both parties.    

Not just a guy lusting over a girl.   

You obviously didnt read the same poem I did, lol.

Sappho was a woman, btw.

Also, she wasnt the only great Greek poet out there, I could go find some more if you'd like.

[Sphynx118]

Ailith430 wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

We kinda ran out of stuff to talk about if you havent noticed

Yeah, the original topic has been talked about, not much more to say. I still stand by my the idea that romanceable characters sexualities should be ambiguous, but thats just me.

I have been semi converted on this topic..As long as Tali doesnt change and they change Liara back to her normal nice self in the process

[Aradace]

Luc0s wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Owwwwww please, are we allowing creationist v.s evolutionist bullsh*t into a Mass Effect forum now?

No, people are talking about applying social Darwinism to their lives.
Social Darwinism is applying the rules of evolution to a sapient society, which doesn't work because survival of the fittest doesn't apply to us.

True, but even today as a sapient species we still have a lot of traits from our ancestors. We are sapient, but we origin from an animal. Survival of the fittest in it's purest form doesn't apply to us anymore, but we still have many animal traits in our behavior without realizing it.

Also known as "genetic memory".  Yes, the "study" exists.  Google it if you like