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[Abirn]

The Angry One wrote...

firecleaner wrote...

Asari's have one gender you cant have male's or female's... they do look like human females though.

Which is what's important in terms of the media.
Also, they're female. They look feminine, they use feminine terms, they have no use for masculine terms in their own society (Aria's dialog on the name "Patriarch"). They're mono-gendered, which means one, which is female.
Arguments against this are technicalities and semantics.

Since when does the media matter?  Much less fox "news" which is a complete joke.

[The Angry One]

Valmy wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...
Then don't romance all six of them?

Well...usually if they are romanceable and you don't romance them it kills off all further conversation.  This is regretfully why I don't really get to know Jack besides the fact she thinks she is all hard and committed lots of crimes and doesn't trust anybody.  Also happens with Tali but it is more of a 'Garrus is endlessly calibrating his guns' sort of issue there.

I enjoy talking to people who I don't want to sleep with to.

That's a flaw with the game's dialog - apparently your squadmates aren't interested in you if they don't want to hump you.
This is grade school logic.

[Valmy]

The Angry One wrote...
I mean the "getting to know you" option. If you REALLY can't stand people hitting on you that is.

I don't mind people hitting on me at all.  I just want them to take no for an answer and not have it kill off all further conversation.

[Console Cowboy]

tmp7704 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Jack would make more sense as a bi-option since she actually does specifically mention having sex with both men and women.

Jack mentions she was in bed with a guy and his girlfriend, but as she also turns down female Shepard pretty clearly stating she isn't into this particular angle i think it's safe to presume she didn't actually have sex there with the guy's gf. Just like two men in one bed with one woman don't automatically mean they're into one another.

i see lots of people pointing to the "girls' club" line as Jack claiming to be straight. i don't think that's what she meant at all. i think she was just telling Shepard that she wasn't interested in smalltalk.

[Darth_Ultima]

Ailith430 wrote...

Darth_Ultima wrote...

Seeing this post makes me think that some people have a serious problem that not everyone thinks like they do. I hate to break it to some of you all but some people are gay/lesbian, some are bisexual, and some are just plain straight. I don't understand why people can't except reality whether your gay, bisexual, or straight. Not everyone thinks the same way you do and arguing and spreading hate will not change that. Our culture claims its tolerant but the reality is we are all a bunch of hypocrites that don't want to except that other people think differently.

Yes, but this is a video game, not a social commentary.

I still don't see why by giving lesbian/gay options would somehow ruin the game or ruin those particular characters.

As someone said before, you dont want to accidentally start a romance with someone you don't want, but Bioware convenietly gives you an option to politely turn someone down, ALL the time, even RIGHT before you have sex.

I inadvertantly started a romance with Jacob as my femshep when I didnt want to, and politely turned him down. It's not that big of a deal.

Right... this coming from the person that is making a big deal out of it by posting a topic about it on the forums.  I also hate to break it to you but entertainment is used for social commentary all the time and I can see the parrallels with real life in this very post.  The the in-game attitude of the people making these posts stem from their real world attitudes.  I for one appaud Bioware for having diverse charaters and romance options and not cookie cutter bi-sexual romances that would be no different from each other because that would take the replayability out of the game.

Modifié par Darth_Ultima, 19 février 2010 - 08:19 .

[The Angry One]

Abirn wrote...

Since when does the media matter?  Much less fox "news" which is a complete joke.

Ask BioWare. Or you tell me why tasteful nudity has given way to gratuitous clothed dry-humping.

[jlb524]

firecleaner wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

firecleaner wrote...

Asari's have one gender you cant have male's or female's... they do look like human females though.

And if female Shepard was attracted to said monogendered species that looks female, that would make her what? lol

most likely a lesbian... I was just saying on a technicality that asari's aren't female. I do agree if Shepard was attracted to asari's she would most likely be attracted to human females.

What you can most definitely say is that a FemShep that chooses to get naked and roll around with Liara is most definitely not straight.

[Yeled]

I'm with you, Ailith. I am straight, but have no problem allowing that in different people's games the well-written characters can have variable sexual preferences based on what is most interesting to the player.



Miranda can be straight in your game, and bi in mine, and a lesbian in someone else's, without ruining anyone's experience or breaking continuity. This is a choose your own adventure story, afterall. Not everyone's story goes the same way and not everyone's shepard does the same things or makes the same choices. The same can be true of the other characters. It wouldn't even be hard to impliment.



I understand people not wanting six characters hitting on their shepard, but there are easy fixes here, including just making romance dialogue choices color coded green or something along those lines. Don't want to relieve stress with a turian, just avoid the green dialogue choice when it comes up in Garrus' dialogue.

[Valmy]

The Angry One wrote...

That's a flaw with the game's dialog - apparently your squadmates aren't interested in you if they don't want to hump you.
This is grade school logic.

Yes it is a flaw in the game's dialog.  That is what I have been saying.  If they do go a route where there are alot of romance opitions I hope they do it like Dragon Age.  It just doesn't work well right now in Mass Effect.

[Cutlass Jack]

Sphynx118 wrote...

We both know that wouldnt work. Femsheps were kinda jumped with the Jacob romance and straight males were practically raped by Zevran in DAO. That kinda thing doesnt bother me but i could see why some people would find it offensive if a crewmate started hitting on them like that

Pfft. Zevran was very easy to avoid the entire topic on. And easy to shut down if you accidently wander into it.

Drunk Oghren on the other hand....

[jlb524]

Console Cowboy wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Jack would make more sense as a bi-option since she actually does specifically mention having sex with both men and women.

Jack mentions she was in bed with a guy and his girlfriend, but as she also turns down female Shepard pretty clearly stating she isn't into this particular angle i think it's safe to presume she didn't actually have sex there with the guy's gf. Just like two men in one bed with one woman don't automatically mean they're into one another.

i see lots of people pointing to the "girls' club" line as Jack claiming to be straight. i don't think that's what she meant at all. i think she was just telling Shepard that she wasn't interested in smalltalk.

I agree with this, given the context.  If Shepard was obviously flirting with Jack and she said this, then I would agree with them.  However, Shepard wasn't flirting with Jack (a female Shepard can't flirt with her at all), so it doesn't make sense that Jack would be 'turning down her advances' with that line.

Modifié par jlb524, 19 février 2010 - 08:12 .

[Valmy]

Yeah I am not sure what the problem with Zevran was. It was easy to be platonic buds with him.

[Abirn]

The Angry One wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Since when does the media matter?  Much less fox "news" which is a complete joke.

Ask BioWare. Or you tell me why tasteful nudity has given way to gratuitous clothed dry-humping.

Yes bioware caved, but since when should fox spews be allowed to influence the direction of the game,  shame on bioware for caving into those morons.

[Exploding8]

I'm fine with homosexuals and bisexuals, but I personally believe that the writers made each character a certain way, and that modding the game to allow for this kind of thing is not staying true to the story in any way shape or form.



At the same time however, its your game, mod it however you like. Yay for modding! lol

[SnakeHelah]

Surely, you could point Joker as a gay option too... This is like not your choice, but the characters, think about personallity, jesus christ.

[Sphynx118]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

We both know that wouldnt work. Femsheps were kinda jumped with the Jacob romance and straight males were practically raped by Zevran in DAO. That kinda thing doesnt bother me but i could see why some people would find it offensive if a crewmate started hitting on them like that

Pfft. Zevran was very easy to avoid the entire topic on. And easy to shut down if you accidently wander into it.

Drunk Oghren on the other hand....

No it was not xD
We were talking about his homeland Antiva and how the crows get all sorts of stuff that normal people dont and then he suddenly goes: Letz me touch yu in ze hidden placez!!! And chases me around the fire while undressing.
Was kinda fun to watch tho

Modifié par Sphynx118, 19 février 2010 - 08:14 .

[Gill Kaiser]

Aradace wrote...

I seriously hope BW doesnt start giving fan service to the "gay" community. Seriously, (Asari aside and talking about RL anyway.) had nature intended for Humans to be "gay" they would have made it so that we can reproduce Asexually like the Asari. But, seeing as how (aside from adoption or artificial insemination) nature doesnt work that way, it makes homosexuality "wrong" from a nature standpoint.

For a game in which there are more alien romance options than human, this post makes no sense. Not that it makes much sense anyway.

[Valmy]

Sphynx118 wrote...
No it was not xD
We were talking about his homeland Antiva and how the crows get all sorts of stuff that normal people dont and then he suddenly goes: Letz me touch yu in ze hidden placez!!! And chases me around the fire while undressing.
Was kinda fun to watch tho

Darnit I totally missed that option.

[Yeled]

Console Cowboy wrote...

i see lots of people pointing to the "girls' club" line as Jack claiming to be straight. i don't think that's what she meant at all. i think she was just telling Shepard that she wasn't interested in smalltalk.

That is also how I interpreted that line.  It never even occured to me that she meant she wasn't in to girls.  She was saying she didn't want to be chatty.

[Ailith Tycane]

Movodor wrote...
I don't usually get involved in these topics, but..rewriting or otherwise modifying a character to alter their sexuality is a mark against their quality. It takes away from the depth of the character and immersion to know such aspects are changeable on a whim. Introducing a character that is gay I don't mind at all, but retconning an existing one to include something that's clearly or even slightly against the rest of their actions annoys me.

Pick three words to describe Leliana from Dragon Age. Doesnt really matter what they are.

"Cute" "crazy" and "funny"

Same for Zevran.

"Cheeky" "keniving" and "flirtascious"

It doesnt matter what words you use to substitue those three, but "Bisexual" wouldnt be among them. Same with Alistair, or Morrigan, Would you pick "Straight" to describe their character? No. Because someones sexuality doesnt define them as a person. It doesnt effect the character as a whole, and if it really bothers you, it shouldnt.

And as far as being spoiled, thats a really lame thing to say. I feel like this game was lacking in options. Three per gender, thats nice, but as a female, two of my options were aliens whom I had no romantic interest in at all (Garrus is the ****, but I don't want to sleep with him). And Jacob had the same bland personality all male romanceable character have in Bioware games.

Liara and Leliana were both a breath of fresh air, I can't tell you how excited I was for the potential options in ME2, and I got none. It was dissapointing. Very much so. I felt very let down by the ONE gaming company that seems to even bother giving a crap about gay romances.

I can only hope now at the very least that Liara will be a squadmate in ME3, because thats obviously the only gay romance Bioware is going to allow in this series.

[Faceman2006]

I just wish BW would stop making these crappy cringe-worthy 'romance' scenes altogether and go back to the good old days of 'fade to black'.



So no, I hope BW don't start wasting time with more bi/homosexual options (as in these cutscenes, no problem with actual character dialogue though) not because I'm a homophobe but because I'd rather the devs spent more time on the actual game itself! My opinion on this also applies to things like fish tanks and collecting spaceships - 'Hi I'm Commander Shepard and I'm here to save the galaxy...right after I've fed the fish / stopped searching for that model of Sovereign?!'



^ It's at times like that when Councillor 'Ah yes, *fingerquotes* Reapers' begins to look a hell of a lot more credible.

[Cutlass Jack]

Sphynx118 wrote...

No it was not xD
We were talking about his homeland Antiva and how the crows get all sorts of stuff that normal people dont and then he suddenly goes: Letz me touch yu in ze hidden placez!!! And chases me around the fire while undressing.
Was kinda fun to watch tho

Heh you must have been playing a different version of Dragon Age than I did. You have to specifically say you're okay with things or directly use a flirt option on him to start him on that path. He prefers women to men anyways. He's just open minded about the latter.

That said, I loved talking with Zev. So friggin funny. Even more so listening to him talking to your other party members. The bit where he starts giving Alister sex advice was priceless.

[Valmy]

Ailith430 wrote...
And Jacob had the same bland personality all male romanceable character have in Bioware games.

What exactly should their personalities be like?  I never noticed there was anything more bland than anybody elses.  I think you people just enjoy hating on guys who are good looking.

[AM50]

Abirn wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Abirn wrote...

Since when does the media matter?  Much less fox "news" which is a complete joke.

Ask BioWare. Or you tell me why tasteful nudity has given way to gratuitous clothed dry-humping.

Yes bioware caved, but since when should fox spews be allowed to influence the direction of the game,  shame on bioware for caving into those morons.

They never stated their reasons. I don't understand why everything has to be shrouded in assumptions and insinuations. They said it was a dev team choice. That's all we will ever get. Everyone will be a lot better off if they quit putting double meanings into every explanation from Bioware. If they say something, you just have to accept it. Its silly to blame Fox News or the media or anyone else for a private decision that they made, Its done and over. Quit inventing double meanings for everything they say. Just enjoy the game.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

The Angry One wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Besides remind me where there was any in ME? None

... are you one of those people who think Asari aren't female?

I was referring to the human relationships, seeing as the initial point was regarding Miranda. Considering you CAN get it on with Morinth in ME2, I would be a bit stupid if I were to have included them in my initial comment would I not?

Or have you forgotten that there is the Morinth romance. Maybe you haven't tried it, it is a real killer