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[jklinders]

Railstay wrote...

TyDurden13 wrote...

Railstay wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

Railstay wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

No, the Shadow Broker cannot be her Father.

What a thoughtful, enlightening post.

It's just a fact, why would the Shadow Broker support Cerberus? TIM and the Shadow Broker are enemies.

Nice job reading the posts.

Perhaps because if the Illusive Man is using her as a hostage, the Shadow Broker would be obligated to pay "donations" in order to guarantee her safety?

How would that work though?  He stopped making the donations after she joined Cerberus.

Then he stopped his support after he found out the Illusive Man made her, essentially, a hostage by accepting her employment.  Miranda even says herself that the Illusive Man found her at an early age, and she was "old enough to know this was what she wanted."  This seems to indicate she was well aware of the fact that she is a hostage, but in return she's gaining protection from her father.  Who else in the galaxy could offer her that sort of protection from one of the most powerful figures in the series?

The pieces just fit.

If you ask Miranda on what terms she left her father she says shots were fired. If that is not enough, during her loyalty mission if you press miranda on why she recued her sister, she tells you that she was not the first child "grown" by her father. Merely the first he did not discard. She also tells you she killed several of her father's security guards on the way out. Yep. She's a hostage all right.

[Jeremy Winston]

Railstay wrote...

Johnters wrote...

Railstay wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

Railstay wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

No, the Shadow Broker cannot be her Father.

What a thoughtful, enlightening post.

It's just a fact, why would the Shadow Broker support Cerberus? TIM and the Shadow Broker are enemies.

Nice job reading the posts.

Perhaps because if the Illusive Man is using her as a hostage, the Shadow Broker would be obligated to pay "donations" in order to guarantee her safety?

But didn't Miranda say that she actually wasn't the first engineered daughter?  And he's also managed to replicate the same results.  With the way the Shadow Broker works, I doubt he's really that interested in protecting his legacy like Okeer with Grunt.

However, if it was one of the Shadow Broker's proxies, I could see that.  Or Alliance brass.

Wonder why we didn't hear a lot from Hackett? 

Miranda never mentions she was the first, but if she wasn't, then why would she mention Oriana and not someone that came before her?  And if the Shadow Broker isn't interested in her, why would he be going after both her and Oriana?  And give explicit orders to the mercenaries during her loyalty mission that Miranda is not to be harmed under any circumstances?

Miranda said something very close to "I wasn't the his first daughter.  I was only the first one he kept."

[Jersey75639]

 It doesn't seem likely, at all.
Jamming pieces together really, really hard does not make them fit.

[aaniadyen]

Marilynn-22 wrote...

noo everyone knows that this is her dad

Adam West?

[Farscape-Fan]

Miranda's Father is...

...Mr. Lawson, obviously

[Railstay]

Jersey75639 wrote...

 It doesn't seem likely, at all.
Jamming pieces together really, really hard does not make them fit.

So explain how this is a stretch.  All the parties get what they want, and all the actions they take are consistent with the theory.  Describe how anything is out of place.

Everyone saying no is posting joke pictures or going LOL U RONG.

[blank1]

This is all nice and everything, but the Shadow Broker has been around for longer than Humanity has had space flight.



Argument over.

[jklinders]

Railstay wrote...

Jersey75639 wrote...

 It doesn't seem likely, at all.
Jamming pieces together really, really hard does not make them fit.

So explain how this is a stretch.  All the parties get what they want, and all the actions they take are consistent with the theory.  Describe how anything is out of place.

Everyone saying no is posting joke pictures or going LOL U RONG.

Because Miranda fought her own way out and was not kidnapped. If you have not seen this it only means you have not explored all of her dialogue.

[Cutlass Jack]

Marilynn-22 wrote...

noo everyone knows that this is her dad

No no no. That's Liara's Father. You can see she takes after him in ME2.

[Ruffus999]

Where was it mentioned that Liara found Shepard's body? And the Shadow Broker had it first? I must have missed something somewhere.

[jklinders]

Ruffus999 wrote...

Where was it mentioned that Liara found Shepard's body? And the Shadow Broker had it first? I must have missed something somewhere.

Liara will tell you if you ask her why she is so vehement about squezzing him into a coffeee cup. Actually you have to ask her before you find the observer and after.

[Cutlass Jack]

Ruffus999 wrote...

Where was it mentioned that Liara found Shepard's body? And the Shadow Broker had it first? I must have missed something somewhere.

Its the main plotline of the 'Mass Effect: Redemption' comic series. Liara does mention this in ME2 but its really hard to get it out of her. I think Paragon route misses it completely.

[Johnters]

Railstay wrote...

Johnters wrote...

But didn't Miranda say that she actually wasn't the first engineered daughter?  And he's also managed to replicate the same results.  With the way the Shadow Broker works, I doubt he's really that interested in protecting his legacy like Okeer with Grunt.

However, if it was one of the Shadow Broker's proxies, I could see that.  Or Alliance brass.

Wonder why we didn't hear a lot from Hackett? 

Miranda never mentions she was the first, but if she wasn't, then why would she mention Oriana and not someone that came before her?  And if the Shadow Broker isn't interested in her, why would he be going after both her and Oriana?  And give explicit orders to the mercenaries during her loyalty mission that Miranda is not to be harmed under any circumstances?

She says herself that she was the first one he "kept," which implies a sentimentality that I just don't think the Shadow Broker has.  Also, it's heavily implied that the Shadow Broker doesn't have any real ideologicial leaning (he tried to sell Shepard to the Collectors), and the Volus agent in the 1st game talks about it ultimately creating a balance in power between all the states.  Plus the fact that she's a carbon copy of one person's DNA, which means her father is an egomaniac.  I'd think that the Shadow Broker would be more inclined to use a composite DNA, utilising the best of multiple specimens.

Like I said, it's far more likely that's it's one of his closer proxies than the actual Shadow 
Broker.  A proxy/agent would have a smaller view of things and would be more likely to let their ego/sentiment make them forfeit any of their ultimate beliefs in a cause.  In the same vein as what goes down in the Ascension novel.

[Jeremy Winston]

No.. Paragon finds it, but, they dialog rules changed for this section.



In most dialogs when you have multiple options on the left, you can explore them both. But this is one of the rare cases when you have two choices on the left and you can only ask one. If you ask the top one, you miss this juicy tidbit.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

The shadow broker is unlikely to be human, he is far more powerful than any human we have met to date. Miranda's father is a rich public figure with some egomaniacle leanings.

[Amethyst Deceiver]

No.

Miranda's father is Charles Widmore

Modifié par Amethyst Deceiver, 19 février 2010 - 09:24 .

[Ruffus999]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

No.. Paragon finds it, but, they dialog rules changed for this section.

In most dialogs when you have multiple options on the left, you can explore them both. But this is one of the rare cases when you have two choices on the left and you can only ask one. If you ask the top one, you miss this juicy tidbit.

This must have been the reason why I missed it.  Oh and not having the comic.

[Cutlass Jack]

Ruffus999 wrote...

This must have been the reason why I missed it.  Oh and not having the comic.

The comic is terrible anyways. You didn't miss much.

[Jeremy Winston]

Ruffus999 wrote...

Jeremy Winston wrote...

No.. Paragon finds it, but, they dialog rules changed for this section.

In most dialogs when you have multiple options on the left, you can explore them both. But this is one of the rare cases when you have two choices on the left and you can only ask one. If you ask the top one, you miss this juicy tidbit.

This must have been the reason why I missed it.  Oh and not having the comic.

Yeah.. you need to take the dialog option that asked "Why the hate for the SB" or something like that.  I'm sure there's a YouTube link around here somewhere.  Probably in that "Devs dropped the ball on Liara" thread.

[Rayhaana]

Miranda's father is.....Male Shephard

[Jeremy Winston]

Thomas Covenant.

[Railstay]

jklinders wrote...

Railstay wrote...

TyDurden13 wrote...

Railstay wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

Railstay wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

No, the Shadow Broker cannot be her Father.

What a thoughtful, enlightening post.

It's just a fact, why would the Shadow Broker support Cerberus? TIM and the Shadow Broker are enemies.

Nice job reading the posts.

Perhaps because if the Illusive Man is using her as a hostage, the Shadow Broker would be obligated to pay "donations" in order to guarantee her safety?

How would that work though?  He stopped making the donations after she joined Cerberus.

Then he stopped his support after he found out the Illusive Man made her, essentially, a hostage by accepting her employment.  Miranda even says herself that the Illusive Man found her at an early age, and she was "old enough to know this was what she wanted."  This seems to indicate she was well aware of the fact that she is a hostage, but in return she's gaining protection from her father.  Who else in the galaxy could offer her that sort of protection from one of the most powerful figures in the series?

The pieces just fit.

If you ask Miranda on what terms she left her father she says shots were fired. If that is not enough, during her loyalty mission if you press miranda on why she recued her sister, she tells you that she was not the first child "grown" by her father. Merely the first he did not discard. She also tells you she killed several of her father's security guards on the way out. Yep. She's a hostage all right.

So you take it that "shots were fired" meant that shots were fired at her.

And during the same loyalty mission you speak of, the mercs were ordered specifically not to fire on Miranda, under any circumstances.

Yeah, of course she's a hostage.

[Railstay]

TOBY FLENDERSON wrote...

The shadow broker is unlikely to be human, he is far more powerful than any human we have met to date. Miranda's father is a rich public figure with some egomaniacle leanings.

How'd you reach this conclusion, when humanity as a race is currently the most powerful in the entire galaxy?

[Alexandus]

The Shadow Broker is unlikely to be Miranda's Father. I do not see any credible evidence that is not circumstancial in nature to allege to this theory.

[Railstay]

jklinders wrote...

Railstay wrote...

Jersey75639 wrote...

 It doesn't seem likely, at all.
Jamming pieces together really, really hard does not make them fit.

So explain how this is a stretch.  All the parties get what they want, and all the actions they take are consistent with the theory.  Describe how anything is out of place.

Everyone saying no is posting joke pictures or going LOL U RONG.

Because Miranda fought her own way out and was not kidnapped. If you have not seen this it only means you have not explored all of her dialogue.

I think you're misunderstanding the use of "hostage".  Again, she says she was old enough to realize the gravity of the decision she was making with the Illusive Man.

To the Illusive Man she is essentially a hostage.  This is why the Shadow Broker will not make a move against Cerberus.  If he obtained Shepard's body in the first place in order to sell him to the Collectors, why didn't he infiltrate and attack Cerberus in order to gain it back?  What reason would keep it back unless the Illusive Man had an asset that Shadow Broker is not willing to lose?  And why would the Shadow Broker suddenly stop his donations?