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[Tsuga C]

Siradix wrote...

Tsuga C wrote...

Siradix wrote...

But will we ever see romances again, like for DA2?

That's highly likely, given their popularity. 

People assumed that it would be for DA:O A, and we have none.

Awakenings is an expansion pack, not a full game.  Romances, being a secondary or tertiary story element, weren't deemed appropriate for this installment of the DA epic.  When the next expansion pack or DA2 rolls out, I'd be very surprised if the writers didn't have a special "squeeze muffin" or two awaiting us.

Modifié par Tsuga C, 19 février 2010 - 10:11 .

[Nerdage]

David Gaider wrote...

Siradix wrote...
But will we ever see romances again, like for DA2?

Maybe, maybe not. Dragon Age is about epic tales set in Thedas, not about the Origins PC and her romances. There's no guarantee that you'll be playing the same character, never mind seeing NPC's carry forward.

Don't tell me these forums might be in for another beating come DA2, I do hate to see innocent websites suffer so..

[tmelange]

Tamyn wrote...

distinguetraces wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...
As long as there are good, valid, believable reasons why various companions aren't around, I'm all for meeting the new ones.

We-ell, cutting Zevran and Leliana is a little hand-wavey given their endings, but maybe they happen to be away for a visit to old friends during the time Awakening takes place.

I wish they had just included those two. I'm not crazy about Leliana, but a lot of people are. I did like Zevran a lot however, and as far as I know both those characters plan to tag along with their love interest PC at the end of Origins. In Zevran's case, he could follow the Warden even as a friend. Whereas Alistair and Morrigan have very good reasons to be away, regardless of what decisions were made with them.

I would hate to do without Alistair. But, it would make the most sense to me to have Leliana, Zev and Dog as returning characters. Morrigan, Alistair, Sten, all have legit reasons to be off the scene; Wynne, Oghren and Shale all can probably be off screen with little uproar as their popularity isn't as storng, I would think. I have a great deal of respect for business decisions that need to be made, but if I were asked as part of a survey or something, I'd say that it was a dicey decision to abandon the absolute best and most addictive part of the game (the relationships) in favor of going in a completely new direction that is based on expanding out the canvass.

I suppose it seems on the face of it that lowering costs by not carrying over the most expensive parts of the DAO project to the expension would be a sensible idea that maximizes profit while keeping costs under control, but I have to think that from the "social" perspective, the notion these days of creating fans that are piped into content in a number of ways and who consume assets constantly through various devices and media, it is leaving the biggest hook on the table. It's like taking an old marketing paradigm and applying it to a new age where it's just not cutting it. :shrug:

Modifié par tmelange, 19 février 2010 - 10:23 .

[Demx]

nerdage wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Siradix wrote...
But will we ever see romances again, like for DA2?

Maybe, maybe not. Dragon Age is about epic tales set in Thedas, not about the Origins PC and her romances. There's no guarantee that you'll be playing the same character, never mind seeing NPC's carry forward.

Don't tell me these forums might be in for another beating come DA2, I do hate to see innocent websites suffer so..

lol That's going to happen for every squeal/expansion for DA:O.

[Danielsun2]

i do hope there are romances in DA2 im sure DA:O generated alot of money would be nice a new setting different pc i dont mind all of that, new romances, now if they could make a character like Leliana in the Urn of Ashes trailer the fully fledge CG one which is epic, that would be cool, not a shy lady who doesnt actually speak like that girl, was it the same voice actor the one who done leliana in game and the one in the Trailer?

also more 30 seconds to mars please not LOTR music >=( seriously for awakenings the intro of Vox Populi

anyways a most awesome characters in DA2 just like DA1 they are most bodacious Sten and alistair, is my Teal'c and O'neil (stargate reference)

love this game

Edit: besides whats a Bioware game without romances aye  there has got to be some in DA2

Modifié par Danielsun2, 19 février 2010 - 10:24 .

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

David, I got a question. Will we EVER (not counting Awakening) see Leliana  our old companions again?
Be it, DLC, another expansion or even a sequel.

Thanks.

[_Aine_]

As long as they keep having the characters and story as engaging as Origins, I will be happy. I have enjoyed my time with the characters I have met, and have created a plethora of characters to enjoy the story in numerous ways. I look forward to seeing what is in store for us in the distant future in the game-world. It might be safer in fact for them to close the book on these companions altogether. Not saying I hope/wish or think this would be true, just saying that some books are best left closed with an ending that makes you long for more, than get what you *think* you want...only  to have yourself wishing it was like you remember...

Modifié par shantisands, 19 février 2010 - 10:43 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

shantisands wrote...

As long as they keep having the characters and story as engaging as Origins, I will be happy. I have enjoyed my time with the characters I have met, and have created a plethora of characters to enjoy the story in numerous ways. I look forward to seeing what is in store for us in the distant future in the game-world. It might be safer in fact for them to close the book on these companions altogether. Not saying I hope/wish or think this would be true, just saying that some books are best left closed with an ending that makes you long for more, than get what you *think* you want...only  to have yourself wishing it was like you remember...

QFT. A closed story is better than an open one that keeps torturing you until you stop caring.

[BlastedLands]

David Gaider wrote...


Maybe, maybe not. Dragon Age is about epic tales set in Thedas, not about the Origins PC and her romances. There's no guarantee that you'll be playing the same character, never mind seeing NPC's carry forward.

ouch, that was the one thing i didn't want to read. because that's the one argument i've been beaten to death with here recently, and now it just vanished in a fluffy pinkish cloud .
*silent wailing*

[Kakimori]

David Gaider wrote...

Siradix wrote...
But will we ever see romances again, like for DA2?

Maybe, maybe not. Dragon Age is about epic tales set in Thedas, not about the Origins PC and her romances. There's no guarantee that you'll be playing the same character, never mind seeing NPC's carry forward.

I would like to gently remind Mr Gaider that there are very few 'epic tales' which are utterly devoid of romance.  For every Beowulf, there are ten Iliads...I think not having the same character or NPCs rankles not so much as the assertion that 'you're killing darkspawn, so you have no time for love'.  I suppose the entire world must have taken some massive hiatus from love during World War II?

[Alandros]

I think it's less about wanting a "guarantee" but rather a glimmer of hope that your character and their original companions/romances may continue on in some form at some time. As much as new companions are going to be a blast, I think overlooking some sort of continuation of the romances and relationships would be missing out on a huge opportunity for a great game/sequel/expansion.

[turtlemh31]

In my ending of origins my pc was the noble character who married Alistair. Now for the trailer of Awakenings I clear as day saw Alistair. It could be a cameo and what not but I think it would just be silly if he has no idea who my character is in a cameo.



I am fine with the no romances because it would not make sense for my character to go off with someone new. I am just hoping for some kind of explanation in the game why he isn't there or has to leave since I saw him in the trailer. I will even take written text lol.

[Alandros]

turtlemh31 wrote...

In my ending of origins my pc was the noble character who married Alistair. Now for the trailer of Awakenings I clear as day saw Alistair. It could be a cameo and what not but I think it would just be silly if he has no idea who my character is in a cameo.

I am fine with the no romances because it would not make sense for my character to go off with someone new. I am just hoping for some kind of explanation in the game why he isn't there or has to leave since I saw him in the trailer. I will even take written text lol.

In your case someone had to stay and govern.  You chose to handle the Warden responsibilities and he chose to handle the ruling responsibilities.  Two very duty bound characters.

[David Gaider]

Kakimori wrote...
I would like to gently remind Mr Gaider that there are very few 'epic tales' which are utterly devoid of romance.  For every Beowulf, there are ten Iliads...I think not having the same character or NPCs rankles not so much as the assertion that 'you're killing darkspawn, so you have no time for love'.  I suppose the entire world must have taken some massive hiatus from love during World War II?

I fail to see where I suggested that a sequel to DAO would be devoid of romance.

[lisakover]

David Gaider wrote...

Kakimori wrote...
I would like to gently remind Mr Gaider that there are very few 'epic tales' which are utterly devoid of romance.  For every Beowulf, there are ten Iliads...I think not having the same character or NPCs rankles not so much as the assertion that 'you're killing darkspawn, so you have no time for love'.  I suppose the entire world must have taken some massive hiatus from love during World War II?

I fail to see where I suggested that a sequel to DAO would be devoid of romance.

He probably means this;

Siradix wrote...
But will we ever see romances again, like for DA2?

David Gaider wrote...

Maybe,
maybe not. Dragon Age is about epic tales set in Thedas, not about the
Origins PC and her romances. There's no guarantee that you'll be
playing the same character, never mind seeing NPC's carry forward.

[Feraele]

Well so far, Sigrun seems to be interesting to me and "possibly" Anders, we'll see. Are we ever going to get away from the Deep roads and dwarves?



I would dearly love to see Qunari lands, and Orlais...and Arlathan.



My feeling being..dwarves/deep roads been there done that, got the t-shirt...next? ^^ hehehe

[lisakover]

Feraele wrote...

Well so far, Sigrun seems to be interesting to me and "possibly" Anders, we'll see. Are we ever going to get away from the Deep roads and dwarves?

I would dearly love to see Qunari lands, and Orlais...and Arlathan.

My feeling being..dwarves/deep roads been there done that, got the t-shirt...next? ^^ hehehe

More dwarves, bring on Kal'Sharok!

[Daurf815]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

HugThePiggy wrote...
I realise that it would be a lot more work to incorporate all of the old followers into Amaranthine along with all of the new ones, but I really liked the old ones.

That would be a lot of work, indeed... and were any of those companions unavailable it would be work you wouldn't see and wouldn't even be aware it was there and made unavailable by your choices in the main game. I appreciate the idea that this would add to replayability, but we can't make content only for people who intend to replay the game... not with party members, one of the most expensive things we can put into a game like this.

The new characters don't look nearly as interesting as the old ones did. Vallana seems like a more hateful version of Morrigan, and Anders seems like a more troublesome version of allistair. I'm sure that they are so much more than what can be seen in the trailers, but it's still hard to be aware that these people are going to replace your old team.

Like you said, they will probably grow on you. People more or less said the same thing about the Origins characters when they first saw them, too. It's just difficult for some people to let go of the Origins story even though it's very much over -- but that's indicative of how invested they were, which is a fine compliment.

but you could have included three characters as camoes that would appeal to a majority of players rather than  including loghain, ogrhen, and wynne - who probably aren't going to crack the top 3 in most peoples' favorite dragon age character poll.

Ill have you know loghain and oghren are my second and third favortie companions from DA:O, and I'm glad bioware included them in the expansion, you actually sound like the idiots in the ME2 forums that want only Tali and Liara back in ME3 instead of awesome people like Miranda, Wrex, and Garrus.

More on topic, the reasoning behind oghren's larger role is that he is the only companion, besides Morrigan, that cant be killed in DA:O. The worst you can do is tell him to leave your group.

[Kakimori]

David Gaider wrote...

I fail to see where I suggested that a sequel to DAO would be devoid of romance.

You seemed to suggest that it MIGHT not have romance, because the focus was to be on epic tales set in Thedas (a not ignoble goal) rather than a character's romances.  Perhaps I misunderstood.

[JimiAce]

He meant the old romances might not be returning. Not romance in general.

[Fizzeler]

Idealy this would be way to hard for me to choose my favorite party member was Zevran, but Morrigan would also be equally awesome for the expansion

If they did let you choose the game would be delayed probably another couple months, but I would probably choose Morrigan so I can be even more evil

[Demx]

In other words, your warden from DA:O might not make it to DA 2

[Ceridraen]

I'd rather have my current PC's life left to my imagination, than have it decimated in some future game. "Oh, btw? Your true love? He's dead." That's ok. But as someone said above, there's a rare tale that doesn't involve romantic love, as well as platonic love, & emotional connection. (I gather we're getting the latter in this one - that's fine.) It's the first thing anyone I've spoken to about this game has mentioned. Male or female - that's it. I spent a bit of time talking to a college kid about what he'd done wrong gaining Morrigan's affection. (Zevran loved him - he was out of luck with the women) He didn't ask how to take out a room of darkspawn. I wouldn't discount how involving that element is - it's part of the classic hero's journey for a reason.

[Wishpig]

I'm getting freakin sick of the whole "all characters should return" demand. Those who ask it haven't the slightest idea what goes into making a game.