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[David Gaider]

Kakimori wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I fail to see where I suggested that a sequel to DAO would be devoid of romance.

You seemed to suggest that it MIGHT not have romance, because the focus was to be on epic tales set in Thedas (a not ignoble goal) rather than a character's romances.  Perhaps I misunderstood.

No... what I was asked was whether you might see the DAO romances (as in those particular characters) returning in the future -- such as in a potential sequel. I said maybe, but there's no guarantee of that just as there's no guarantee you're even playing your DAO character in the future. Dragon Age games are about epic tales set in Thedas, not the character you played in DAO or the romances you had in DAO. I did not suggest we might not have any romance whatsoever.

[SeanMurphy2]

One of the reasons you like the DA companions and romances is the time and attention the writers were able to put into them.



Awakening had a much shorter development time. You can't expect them to continue all the characters and romances with the same quality. Unless you are happy with minimal dialogue and banter for all the characters.



Also Bioware may have spent 3-5 years writing the DA characters. They may enjoy writing something new. Rather than stretching out each character's story into multiple games.

[sylvanaerie]

I can see why this isn't an option, money/time/programming wise its just not feasible. I still am not sure I want to get Awakenings but I have more interest now after seeing the trailer on the new mage guy. He seems like a hoot. Regardless of who the "returning favorite" is, most likely I will be using the new ones so I can get to know new "people" in Thedas. I try to mix and match my games using different companions at different times for variety. Its one of the fun aspects of the game for me.



This will be like 5 all new chances to get to see what these lil pixils think of the world around them. Will the party mix still be PC plus 3 others max?

[TheLion36]

David Gaider wrote...
It's just difficult for some people to let go of the Origins story even though it's very much over -- but that's indicative of how invested they were, which is a fine compliment.

This is probably partly because the origins game gives certain impressions which lead many people to believe the Origins story is just the first chapter in their characters story, which implies continuation.
Given the choice for example to go look for Morrigan gave me the impression that character would actually find her someday. When you pick to go travel with Leliana and your characer returns in Awakening it makes sense people expect to see her, if not in this expansion than at least at some other story...

Modifié par TheLion36, 20 février 2010 - 01:34 .

[BlastedLands]

TheLion36 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
It's just difficult for some people to let go of the Origins story even though it's very much over -- but that's indicative of how invested they were, which is a fine compliment.

This is probably partly because the origins game gives certain impressions which lead many people to believe the Origins story is just the first chapter in their characters story, which implies continuation.
Given the choice for example to go look for Morrigan gave me the impression that character would actually find her someday. When you pick to go travel with Leliana and your characer returns in Awakening it makes sense people expect to see her, if not in this expansion than at least at some other story...

yeah, what you're saying.... the whole ending made it seem like there could be a seamless continuity (which i thought couldn't be anything less than epic), and now the development makes people a tad disappointed. it just feels like wasted potential, to me at least. *shrug*

[Nerdage]

Haerja wrote...

TheLion36 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
It's just difficult for some people to let go of the Origins story even though it's very much over -- but that's indicative of how invested they were, which is a fine compliment.

This is probably partly because the origins game gives certain impressions which lead many people to believe the Origins story is just the first chapter in their characters story, which implies continuation.
Given the choice for example to go look for Morrigan gave me the impression that character would actually find her someday. When you pick to go travel with Leliana and your characer returns in Awakening it makes sense people expect to see her, if not in this expansion than at least at some other story...

yeah, what you're saying.... the whole ending made it seem like there could be a seamless continuity (which i thought couldn't be anything less than epic), and now the development makes people a tad disappointed. it just feels like wasted potential, to me at least. *shrug*

To be honest, if it wheren't for things like "Surely [name] would be heard of again" and "... At least for a time" appearing at the end of the game I'd have no problem with never seeing the origins characters again, it would've been quite a satisfying ending otherwise. Seems to me that unless some of the origins characters come back to offer some real closure on their stories bioware shot themselves in the foot a little by not just saying that it was over.

Modifié par nerdage, 20 février 2010 - 02:42 .

[SinYang]

David Gaider wrote...
No... what I was asked was whether you might see the DAO romances (as in those particular characters) returning in the future -- such as in a potential sequel. I said maybe, but there's no guarantee of that just as there's no guarantee you're even playing your DAO character in the future. Dragon Age games are about epic tales set in Thedas, not the character you played in DAO or the romances you had in DAO. I did not suggest we might not have any romance whatsoever.

This translates to me.

No guarantee = A question answered so early on a sequel being made, with a maybe is often a NO.
Dragon Age games are about epic tales set in Thedas = The marketing term used for Neverwinter nights which had no direct sequel.

Someone asked on another thread, do you like Dragon Age: Origins or the world of Dragon Age?
my answer, there is no difference between the two. Keeping the main character and a handful of returning companions adds rich/polish to a story and involves the player even further into the world than a clean slate.
This is one reasons Baldurs Gate series continues to be loved, especially by me.

[Maria Caliban]

David Gaider wrote...

Kakimori wrote...
I would like to gently remind Mr Gaider that there are very few 'epic tales' which are utterly devoid of romance.  For every Beowulf, there are ten Iliads...I think not having the same character or NPCs rankles not so much as the assertion that 'you're killing darkspawn, so you have no time for love'.  I suppose the entire world must have taken some massive hiatus from love during World War II?

I fail to see where I suggested that a sequel to DAO would be devoid of romance.

You didn't not say it and two negatives make a positive, so logically you just said that you hate romances and BioWare will never make another one again so long as you draw breath.

SinYang wrote...
Keeping the main character and a handful of returning companions adds rich/polish to a story and involves the player even further into the world than a clean slate. This is one reasons Baldurs Gate series continues to be loved, especially by me.

Alternatively, I don’t want to hear a damn thing about the Blight, the Wardens, Morrigan’s baby, or Ferelden in DA 2. You created an entire continent, surely there’s more going on than what we see in origins?

I want to go to the Imperium, or Orlais. I want to see what horrible things they had to do in Kal-Shorak to survive. I want to be there when the Qunari decide to attempt to conquer Thedas again, or when whatever drove them from their lands shows up.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 20 février 2010 - 03:38 .

[TheLion36]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Alternatively, I don’t want to hear a damn thing about the Blight, the Wardens, Morrigan’s baby, or Ferelden in DA 2. You created an entire continent, surely there’s more going on than what we see in origins?

I would be fine with that as long as the whole story regarding Morrigan (and her possible offspring) is dealt with in expansions etc.

Modifié par TheLion36, 20 février 2010 - 03:45 .

[Feraele]

David Gaider wrote...

Kakimori wrote...
I would like to gently remind Mr Gaider that there are very few 'epic tales' which are utterly devoid of romance.  For every Beowulf, there are ten Iliads...I think not having the same character or NPCs rankles not so much as the assertion that 'you're killing darkspawn, so you have no time for love'.  I suppose the entire world must have taken some massive hiatus from love during World War II?

I fail to see where I suggested that a sequel to DAO would be devoid of romance.

You know Mr Gaider that you guys did too well creating those characters.     So well that in fact, people are attached to them.

Its all your fault ..you know that right?

[SinYang]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Alternatively, I don’t want to hear a damn thing about the Blight, the Wardens, Morrigan’s baby, or Ferelden in DA 2. You created an entire continent, surely there’s more going on than what we see in origins?

I want to go to the Imperium, or Orlais. I want to see what horrible things they had to do in Kal-Shorak to survive. I want to be there when the Qunari decide to attempt to conquer Thedas again, or when whatever drove them from their lands shows up.

All of which can be archieved with the same character and companions. Baldur's Gate 2 wasnt set in Baldur's gate city again despite the title name. The trick is to provide new angles to those existing characters something more difficult to write than a new character that is a rehash of an old character imo.

You know Mr Gaider that you guys did too well creating those characters.     So well that in fact, people are attached to them.

Indeed.

Modifié par SinYang, 20 février 2010 - 04:50 .

[Feraele]

Maria Caliban wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Kakimori wrote...
I would like to gently remind Mr Gaider that there are very few 'epic tales' which are utterly devoid of romance.  For every Beowulf, there are ten Iliads...I think not having the same character or NPCs rankles not so much as the assertion that 'you're killing darkspawn, so you have no time for love'.  I suppose the entire world must have taken some massive hiatus from love during World War II?

I fail to see where I suggested that a sequel to DAO would be devoid of romance.

You didn't not say it and two negatives make a positive, so logically you just said that you hate romances and BioWare will never make another one again so long as you draw breath.

SinYang wrote...
Keeping the main character and a handful of returning companions adds rich/polish to a story and involves the player even further into the world than a clean slate. This is one reasons Baldurs Gate series continues to be loved, especially by me.

Alternatively, I don’t want to hear a damn thing about the Blight, the Wardens, Morrigan’s baby, or Ferelden in DA 2. You created an entire continent, surely there’s more going on than what we see in origins?

I want to go to the Imperium, or Orlais. I want to see what horrible things they had to do in Kal-Shorak to survive. I want to be there when the Qunari decide to attempt to conquer Thedas again, or when whatever drove them from their lands shows up.

Hear hear!!  Me too..been saying that for a bit now.

[WilliamShatner]

SinYang wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
No... what I was asked was whether you might see the DAO romances (as in those particular characters) returning in the future -- such as in a potential sequel. I said maybe, but there's no guarantee of that just as there's no guarantee you're even playing your DAO character in the future. Dragon Age games are about epic tales set in Thedas, not the character you played in DAO or the romances you had in DAO. I did not suggest we might not have any romance whatsoever.

This translates to me.

No guarantee = A question answered so early on a sequel being made, with a maybe is often a NO.
Dragon Age games are about epic tales set in Thedas = The marketing term used for Neverwinter nights which had no direct sequel.

Someone asked on another thread, do you like Dragon Age: Origins or the world of Dragon Age?
my answer, there is no difference between the two. Keeping the main character and a handful of returning companions adds rich/polish to a story and involves the player even further into the world than a clean slate.
This is one reasons Baldurs Gate series continues to be loved, especially by me.

Indeed.  I don't care about the land Dragon Age is based in.  It could be called "Generic Old European Fantasy Setting" for all I care.  I care about the characters.  When I think about Dragon Age I think of my adventures with Leliana and Morrigan especially.  It's the characters that made Dragon Age special and if BioWare once again regresses to wiping them out and starting with a clean slate in DA2 I will be very, very disappointed.

And if we go to Orlais in DA2 and Leliana isn't a companion it will be knife and fork time.

[Maria Caliban]

TheLion36 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Alternatively, I don’t want to hear a damn thing about the Blight, the Wardens, Morrigan’s baby, or Ferelden in DA 2. You created an entire continent, surely there’s more going on than what we see in origins?

I would be fine with that as long as the whole story regarding Morrigan (and her possible offspring) is dealt with in expansions etc.

There is *no* canon.

You can't make an xpac about an event that might not happen. It's like me asking for an xpac called Dragon Age: Origins - Leliana's Fabulous Shoe Shopping Spree in Orlais.

Actualy, waitaminute, that might be cool.

[Maria Caliban]

SinYang wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Alternatively, I don’t want to hear a damn thing about the Blight, the Wardens, Morrigan’s baby, or Ferelden in DA 2. You created an entire continent, surely there’s more going on than what we see in origins?

I want to go to the Imperium, or Orlais. I want to see what horrible things they had to do in Kal-Shorak to survive. I want to be there when the Qunari decide to attempt to conquer Thedas again, or when whatever drove them from their lands shows up.

All of which can be archieved with the same character and companions.
BG2 wasnt set in Baldur's gate again despite the title name.

Really? You can have a story where you don't hear a damn thing about the Warden while using the same PC and companions?

Dragon Age 2: Group Amnesia.

I don’t even know what the second line is about. You think that can do a story 70 years into the future with the same character and companions? Oh, that’s logical!

PC: Hello Morrigan.
Morrigan: What?
PC: Hello Morrigan.
Morrigan: WHAT? Speak up.
PC: HELLO MORRIGAN. WOULD YOU LIKE PRUNES FOR BREAKFAST?
Morrigan: If you’re going to mutter like that, don’t even bother me. (Morrigan disapproves -20)

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 20 février 2010 - 04:01 .

[balvan64]

David Gaider wrote...
Yes, and yes. Plus this is an expansion, with an expansion-sized budget. Not a sequel.

I fail to see the budget issue after paying 40$.
The original game costs 50$, only 20% more.
The game engine is already there, it's not nearly as expansive as making a game from scratch.

For the price we're paying for this expansive, it feels like a bit of a stripped game.
This expenstion should have been sold for 25$ tops in prescriptive to the content and the playing value it offers.

[Maria Caliban]

David is talking about the budget he had to work with. Complaning to him about the price of the game is like me complaining to my postman about my taxes.

Hunt down 'Victor Wachter.'

[Feraele]

Maria Caliban wrote...

SinYang wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Alternatively, I don’t want to hear a damn thing about the Blight, the Wardens, Morrigan’s baby, or Ferelden in DA 2. You created an entire continent, surely there’s more going on than what we see in origins?

I want to go to the Imperium, or Orlais. I want to see what horrible things they had to do in Kal-Shorak to survive. I want to be there when the Qunari decide to attempt to conquer Thedas again, or when whatever drove them from their lands shows up.

All of which can be archieved with the same character and companions.
BG2 wasnt set in Baldur's gate again despite the title name.

Really? You can have a story where you don't hear a damn thing about the Warden while using the same PC and companions?

Dragon Age 2: Group Amnesia.

I don’t even know what the second line is about. You think that can do a story 70 years into the future with the same character and companions? Oh, that’s logical!

PC: Hello Morrigan.
Morrigan: What?
PC: Hello Morrigan.
Morrigan: WHAT? Speak up.
PC: HELLO MORRIGAN. WOULD YOU LIKE PRUNES FOR BREAKFAST?
Morrigan: If you’re going to mutter like that, don’t even bother me. (Morrigan disapproves -20)

Okay that was funny hehe

[SinYang]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Really? You can have a story where you don't hear a damn thing about the Warden while using the same PC and companions?

I didnt realise you found the Origin story so boring.
But sadly your right, no one ever puts the effort into making a good game series no more, its too
difficult to come up with new angles on plots/different takes on old characters these days.

Far easier to keep selling the same personalities over & over again to us in a different model especially since most will still BUY it anyhow.

Its like Terminator 1 focusing on terminators and T2 being about the life and times of john connor..
it wouldnt sale well there. Series/Sequels do infact sale well in film media if they are handled right
why not for games?.

New story = Completely new game for me *not* a sequel (DA2) and yes I felt Nwn2 wasnt a sequel
at all just a mess in which the ending was plain horrid.

Direct sequel > Sequel.
Theres no such thing as a Sequel otherwise its just a new story with the same title.

Finally I buy Bioware games for the character stories not for the "different" views on the same world.

Modifié par SinYang, 20 février 2010 - 07:02 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

TheLion36 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
Alternatively, I don’t want to hear a damn thing about the Blight, the Wardens, Morrigan’s baby, or Ferelden in DA 2. You created an entire continent, surely there’s more going on than what we see in origins?

I would be fine with that as long as the whole story regarding Morrigan (and her possible offspring) is dealt with in expansions etc.

I am willing to bet your life that Bioware is going to bring this story to a closure. Either in an expansion or in a sequel. If the sequel is set in another place, with a different PC and a different time frame (which I would welcome), then chances are Morrigan will be delt with in an expansion.

I miss the witch  

[WilliamShatner]

balvan64 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
Yes, and yes. Plus this is an expansion, with an expansion-sized budget. Not a sequel.

I fail to see the budget issue after paying 40$.
The original game costs 50$, only 20% more.
The game engine is already there, it's not nearly as expansive as making a game from scratch.

For the price we're paying for this expansive, it feels like a bit of a stripped game.
This expenstion should have been sold for 25$ tops in prescriptive to the content and the playing value it offers.

Indeed I find the whole budget excuse rather telling/insulting when you consider:

1) The price of the expansion.
2) The game engine is done.  This is just adding more content onto it. 
3) EA is one of the biggest publisher of games in the world.
4) BioWare is one of the biggest developers of games in the world.
5) As much as I love her voice work the actress playing Leliana is hardly Martin Sheen.  How expensive would it be to get her back exactly?
6) Dragon Age sold 2.5 million copies on consoles alone.

Yeah I know this is a business and they have to make money but it still comes off a cheap and cutting corners.

Modifié par WilliamShatner, 20 février 2010 - 04:27 .

[Sabriana]

But there is no Morrigan baby in any of my play-throughs. That's why it's impossible to deal with all the possible endings in DA:O, there were too many choices that might or might not have been made. For me, seeing something involving Morrigan's god-baby would be like nullifying my decision(s). If she is a vital part of a sequel, then the baby thing should have been mandatory.

As for future DA romances, I firmly believe that the man who created Valen will come through for the fans. That's my belief, and I'm sticking to it

[Wishpig]

WilliamShatner wrote...

balvan64 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
Yes, and yes. Plus this is an expansion, with an expansion-sized budget. Not a sequel.

I fail to see the budget issue after paying 40$.
The original game costs 50$, only 20% more.
The game engine is already there, it's not nearly as expansive as making a game from scratch.

For the price we're paying for this expansive, it feels like a bit of a stripped game.
This expenstion should have been sold for 25$ tops in prescriptive to the content and the playing value it offers.

Indeed I find the whole budget excuse rather telling/insulting when you consider:

1) The price of the expansion.
2) The game engine is done.  This is just adding more content onto it. 
3) EA is one of the biggest publisher of games in the world.
4) BioWare is one of the biggest developers of games in the world.
5) As much as I love her voice work the actress playing Leliana is hardly Martin Sheen.  How expensive would it be to get her back exactly?
6) Dragon Age sold 2.5 million copies on consoles alone.

Yeah I know this is a business and they have to make money but it still comes off a cheap and cutting corners.

You shouldn't be pissed at bioware, just be pissed at EA...

1. Is decided by EA, like the devs told us. They didn't sound to happy about the price either... whiplash.
2. Plus it's an engine designed to be easily modded and added to... but I'm no dev I dunno
3. Although you wouldn't think it, with their sneaky tricks
4. True that, but now their under EA's heel.
5. Oh come on, even if this was Dragon Age 2, they had a s***load of money, and a good amount of time, you would prob not see Leliana... hardly a matter of VO price alone. Same reason you didn't see Ashley or Kaiden agian.
6. Not nearly as much as ME2, so you can bet the Dr. Evils of EA are trying their damndest to get more $$$$.

[Rixxencaxx]

Siradix wrote...

But will we ever see romances again, like for DA2?

Bioware explained us that romances require a lot of work and increase development costs so the honest  answer to your question is:
if awakening sales will be really low you can bet Dao2 will contain a lot of romances
if awakening sales will be good dao 2 maybe not contain romances

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sabriana wrote...

But there is no Morrigan baby in any of my play-throughs. That's why it's impossible to deal with all the possible endings in DA:O, there were too many choices that might or might not have been made. For me, seeing something involving Morrigan's god-baby would be like nullifying my decision(s). If she is a vital part of a sequel, then the baby thing should have been mandatory.

I am pretty sure Bioware is not going to let this story go unanswered. How they are going to handle it? I have no idea.

If the storyline is going to be delt with in a sequel, then I can see a God child origin. That way, it wouldn't really nullify the decisions of others.