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[balvan64]

RurouniSaiya-jin wrote...
Woah, I said if you wanted to get official help, you'd have to go through the proper channels. I never said the actual channels are good. I fully agree wtih you on this point. Trying to get help from there is pretty useless. It's particularly annoying when you go through the trouble of explaining in detail what your probelm is and what you've tried to do to resolve it already and their response is for you to try something you just told them you tried to do already. Ugh!

If it was up to me, I would love to see the Dev people spending their free time improving these poorly rendered services.
I know I needed them badly and couldn't play the game for the first two weeks until I had managed to find a weird workaround all by myself.

[MassEffect762]

David Gaider wrote...

Siradix wrote...
But will we ever see romances again, like for DA2?

Maybe, maybe not. Dragon Age is about epic tales set in Thedas, not about the Origins PC and her romances. There's no guarantee that you'll be playing the same character, never mind seeing NPC's carry forward.

Wyndham711 wrote...
I'm just curious - in what way was it impossible? Just because of story reasons (eg. Morrigan travelling away)? Or real life limitations (voice actors in question weren't available etc.)?

Yes, and yes. Plus this is an expansion, with an expansion-sized budget. Not a sequel.

Where do you draw the line between "innovation" and "continuity", romances are a big part of it whether you believe so or not.

Keep things simple if must, don't keep digging yourselfs into holes with illusions of choice that end up being nothing more than gaff offs everytime you want to be "fresh".

Modifié par MassEffect762, 21 février 2010 - 10:34 .

[balvan64]

David Gaider wrote...
The forums exist to maintain a dialogue with the communit

David Gaider wrote...
I think you overestimate our
need to court the approval of the people who come to these
forums.

David,
Why would you good people of Bioware created forums to maintain a dialogue with the community int he first place?

People talking about your games are people who are going to buy from you again and again. Creating dialog about your games on your forums keeps you fresh in the mind of the buyers between games releases and serve as a great platform for marketing new products and creating a communtiy of returning customer.
Ofcourse, if your official forums would, for some reason, be dominated with negtive remarks about your products and/or service, new comers would think twice about buying from you, and people who previously perchused would be hesitate about buying agian.

Imagine you are a big fan of starcraft, and when you get on the offical forums before the release all you can read about is how disappointed all the fans are. You might think again about buying it.

That is why what we say and think it is very important, if it wasn't, the forums would not exist at all.

David Gaider wrote...

If you wish to conjure conspiracy theories and then demand that they be disproven, that's your business

I had two claims:
1. Bioware demands a price tag from the expenstion that is not proportional to the content it offers.

You already said that that was right and the price has nothing to do with content offered in the expantion.

2. You claimed that this expantion did not get enough budget to fullfill all of our desires and all that DA:O had.
I said that Bioware/EA (or whatever) could have given it enough budget if they wanted too and still make a lot of profit, in light of the reviews and sells of DA:O I see no reason for holding back on the budget. You would sell this expantion like hotcakes, and you probably know that, that is why you didn't really care about pricing it with proporation, knowing that due to the Original game recent success this expantion will sell no matter what.

End of Claims and conspiracy theories

Modifié par balvan64, 21 février 2010 - 10:41 .

[David Gaider]

balvan64 wrote...
I had two claims:
1. Bioware demands a price tag from the expenstion that is not proportional to the content it offers.

You already said that that was right and the price has nothing to do with content offered in the expantion.

2. You claimed that this expantion did ot get enough budget to fullfill all of our desires and all that DA:O had.
I said that Bioware\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\EA (or whatever) could have given it enough budget if they wanted too and still make a lot of profit, in light of the reviews and sells of DA:O I see no reason for holding back on the budget. You would sell this expantion likehotcakes, and you probably know that, that is why you didn't really care about pricing it with proporation, knowing that due to the Original game recent success this expantion will sell no matter what.

End of Claims and conspiracy theories

Sigh.

I was referring to your suggestion that I (or other Bioware people) come here at Marketing's behest. And, seriously, if those are the interpretations you're applying to my responses then I see the point of talking to you at all is pretty limited.

So I'm not going to do that. Have fun.

[balvan64]

David Gaider wrote...
I was referring to your suggestion that I (or other Bioware people) come here at Marketing's behest. And, seriously, if those are the interpretations you're applying to my responses then I see the point of talking to you at all is pretty limited.

So I'm not going to do that. Have fun.

About me saying you are doing some public relations here at the forums - What is wrong with you doing that?
I think it's nothing you should feel bad about. You want people to have a possitive outlook on your product and you try to display them in a positive light, it's not wrong or sleazy and it is considered making good public relation for your company.

I don't think you should be insulted by that, since it is prefctly understandable that you would like to display you products on your forums as positivly as possible. If you were insulted, then I sincerely appoligize.

Now that you're not going to waste time talking to a foolish hopless fan like me on the forums, I'm hoping that instead you are going to direct your energys into writing us fans some romance plots for the expantion, you still have 3 weeks...

[Nerdage]

Safe to say the thread has run it's course? The first Gaider post was a pretty conclusive answer to the OP, to be honest, and that was 2 days ago.

[Ponce de Leon]

balvan64 wrote...
About me saying you are doing some public relations here at the forums - What is wrong with you doing that?
I think it's nothing you should feel bad about. You want people to have a possitive outlook on your product and you try to display them in a positive light, it's not wrong or sleazy and it is considered making good public relation for your company.

I don't think you should be insulted by that, since it is prefctly understandable that you would like to display you products on your forums as positivly as possible. If you were insulted, then I sincerely appoligize.

Now that you're not going to waste time talking to a foolish hopless fan like me on the forums, I'm hoping that instead you are going to direct your energys into writing us fans some romance plots for the expantion, you still have 3 weeks...

You do know that the final weeks are all about checking if something's wrong, making the disks and boxes, preparing packages and sending them throughout the world, yes?

[balvan64]

worksa8 wrote...
I hope some remains though. To be honest I'm happy these forums exist because it lets people get what they think of things out there in the open, but in one area so that you can see what fans want. Be it sometihng unreasonable and easily ignored, or just a general concensus on something that could use improvement. It gives me mroe of a sense of "They might actualyl be listening and thinking some of these things over", and thats mroe then enough for me. Nto to long ago, we didn't even have that.

The hope that my complaints might be thought about and might influence future games is the only reason I'm writing here.

People really frown on any critism anyone voice in here.
I bet that even where they live people sometimes go out and protest at the streets when they disagree with the govrement (if you live in a democracy that it).
Would you want them silenced? Next time it'll be you who's voice will be silenced.

[balvan64]

dark-lauron wrote...
ou do know that the final weeks are all about checking if something's wrong, making the disks and boxes, preparing packages and sending them throughout the world, yes?

Shhh... man, you're ruining my great post ending....


I would imagine they sealed the version about a month ago...

[Cutlass Jack]

You do know that the final weeks are all about checking if something's wrong, making the disks and boxes, preparing packages and sending them throughout the world, yes?

Yep if its not deep in QA right now I'd be very very worried. (in additon to any previously stated worries.)

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 21 février 2010 - 11:01 .

[PSUHammer]

balvan64 wrote...

worksa8 wrote...
I hope some remains though. To be honest I'm happy these forums exist because it lets people get what they think of things out there in the open, but in one area so that you can see what fans want. Be it sometihng unreasonable and easily ignored, or just a general concensus on something that could use improvement. It gives me mroe of a sense of "They might actualyl be listening and thinking some of these things over", and thats mroe then enough for me. Nto to long ago, we didn't even have that.

The hope that my complaints might be thought about and might influence future games is the only reason I'm writing here.

People really frown on any critism anyone voice in here.
I bet that even where they live people sometimes go out and protest at the streets when they disagree with the govrement (if you live in a democracy that it).
Would you want them silenced? Next time it'll be you who's voice will be silenced.

No, people frown on criticism that is not well thought out, unreasonable, or just silly.  Complaining about the cost of media that is completely voluntary for you to purchase is silly.  You can choose to or not to.  And arguing this point with the person who WROTE the game in question is also pointless as said person does not decide price.  The market does.  The simple answer is, if you don't think it doesn't have what you want, don't buy it.  End of discussion.

[Walina]

HugThePiggy wrote...

I really loved running around dungeons with three of your favorite characters tagging along. It was a lot of fun to learn more about the characters too. But now I've grown attached to some.
I think it would be great to be able to choose which companion you would like to take to Ameranthine. Becuase if it's only one set person, some people will be happy, while others are going to be dissapointed.

If the character turns out to be Zevran, people who liked Zevran would be happy, but not  the ones who liked any of the other characters.
However, If Sten was the companion, I would be happy, but what about eveyone else?

So, Instead, Bioware could make the player be able to make a choice of who to take.
I realise that it would be a lot more work to incorporate all of the old followers into Amaranthine along with all of the new ones, but I really liked the old ones.
The new characters don't look nearly as interesting as the old ones did. Vallana seems like a more hateful version of Morrigan, and Anders seems like a more troublesome version of allistair. I'm sure that they are so much more than what can be seen in the trailers, but it's still hard to be aware that these people are going to replace your old team.
Now, I know that the new characters would probably grow on me the same way the old ones did, but it would be nice to be able to take one of your old favorites.

I love Origins, and I truly want to Love Awakening, but i'm just not sure if I really want to play it if none of my old characters are going to return. And I know that if the character WAS set to sten, I would be quite happy, but not a lot of others would be, so bieng able to choose your faverite to return seems like the best thing for the player. But then again, I don't really know how much work this would take.

I'm so split. . .

Orgrhen has been confirmed has the returning compnaion, so your post is pointless since they won't change it.

[balvan64]

Hammer6767 wrote...
No, people frown on criticism that is not well thought out, unreasonable, or just silly.  Complaining about the cost of media that is completely voluntary for you to purchase is silly.  You can choose to or not to.  And arguing this point with the person who WROTE the game in question is also pointless as said person does not decide price.  The market does.  The simple answer is, if you don't think it doesn't have what you want, don't buy it.  End of discussion.

You are exactly the kind of people I was talking about.

[PSUHammer]

balvan64 wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...
No, people frown on criticism that is not well thought out, unreasonable, or just silly.  Complaining about the cost of media that is completely voluntary for you to purchase is silly.  You can choose to or not to.  And arguing this point with the person who WROTE the game in question is also pointless as said person does not decide price.  The market does.  The simple answer is, if you don't think it doesn't have what you want, don't buy it.  End of discussion.

You are exactly the kind of people I was talking about.

All to often on these forums, people put forth strange arguments then get offended when someone disagrees with them as if there is no room for discussion.  If I am someone who suggests that people explain their points and who challenges silly arguments, then you're right. 

Modifié par Hammer6767, 22 février 2010 - 01:22 .

[Axekix]

Hah, this thread has gone way off topic.

At any rate, I'm able to accept the DA:O companions being absent, several of the Origins endings make that a possibility.  I just hope the acknowledgment of the old romances is handled well. 

The characters were just so well fleshed out in Origins and the story was so immersive it's kind of jarring to have it all disappear so to speak.  If not, well... I suppose I'll just be creating a new Orlesian warden instead of importing my char.

Out of curiosity David (if you're still following this thread) do you think you'll go forward with such open ended conclusions in future installments of this series or will you look to streamline the story a bit more for easier compatibility with expansions/sequels etc?  I personally wouldn't mind a little less freedom if it allowed for more continuous character development.

Modifié par Axekix, 22 février 2010 - 01:41 .

[SamboScoots]

balvan64 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
Yes, and yes. Plus this is an expansion, with an expansion-sized budget. Not a sequel.

I fail to see the budget issue after paying 40$.
The original game costs 50$, only 20% more.
The game engine is already there, it's not nearly as expansive as making a game from scratch.

For the price we're paying for this expansive, it feels like a bit of a stripped game.
This expenstion should have been sold for 25$ tops in prescriptive to the content and the playing value it offers.

How exactly can you assign value to something you haven't played?How can this expansion feel like a bit of a stripped game if you haven't played it?

[malaficent]

it just seemed like an expansion adds onto what was already there from previouse game so i was under the impression that we would just continue from the previous storyline. as sad as it is i didnt really want to see the relationship with alister and my character end. is alister in the new one it seems like it from the website. i guess i am too use to the way world of warcraft expansions are. lol. if i wont have any of the same story line from my old character anymore importing her doesnt seem worthwhile just seems to make more since to make a new charachter. guess i kinda fell in love with the romance lol. the typical female.

[MandatoryDenial1]

David Gaider wrote...

I am not "on your side", nor are you getting special attention. The forums exist to maintain a dialogue with the community, and I personally come here on occasion to offer some perspective or to correct misunderstandings -- which I have been doing for 10-odd years, now. If those of us who come here are forbidden from doing anything, it's discussing project details which haven't been publicly announced.

If you wish to conjure conspiracy theories and then demand that they be disproven, that's your business -- but I think you overestimate our need to court the approval of the people who come to these forums.

Dave was it a misunderstanding that Dragon Age: Origins was supposed to be the "Spiritual successor" to Baldur's Gate?  I am a little dismayed by the hinting that went on here that the next game would not follow the story of our PC.  To meif this is true, this makes the game seem more like its the spiritual superior of NWN, not Baldur's Gate.  Baldur's Gate had expansions that complimented your PC's journey.  It had sequals that imported your character, developed the existing characters, and provided continuity.  NeverWinter Nights was the stand alone game where choices from the first had nothing to do with choices in the second and the companions really didn't either matter or need fleshing out.

Don't get me wrong man, if anyone can pull off making a great game its you and the people in Bioware.  I will buy your stuff regardless, but its no minor thing to call oneself the "spiritual successor" and then deliver upon a storyline that in no way tried to match the epic storyline of the game that came before.  I sure wish I could see a game of that scope made again in a fantasy setting.  I would without hessitation pay 120 dollars for that game.

Oh and Dave while I still think that Oghren as the returning character is a poor choice, thank you for making the decision to allow us to import our US wardens.  I know Bioware is taking a great deal of heat from the chief dead is dead ****   fangirl who thinks everything should be done her way, but this one fan at least that appreciates you guys going out on a limb and giving us a choice for OUR game.

Oh and to the OP, I am with you.  I think it would be great to allow us to choose who to import.  Its a great idea as far as I am concerned even if there is no way it could be pulled off due to time constraints.

Modifié par MandatoryDenial1, 22 février 2010 - 06:13 .

[Arleneverde]

Nothing of substance to add since the question is moot, but...



Did it *have* to be Oghren? Really?



One of the things that I liked about this DAO was the lack of 13 year old boy "hur, hur, hur let's say something sexual" interaction with the NPCs. Until I got saddled with that accursed dwarf. I ignored him for the most part, only bothering on my 4th play through or so because I got curious about what his story would turn out to be if I paid attention. It didn't turn out to be worth it.



I'm a middle aged woman. I have kids old enough to drink legally. Oghren is just not my cuppa.



Of course, I was just as unimpressed with Leliana for different reasons. She's whiny and clingy. Shudder.



I'm just going to keep my fingers crossed that in further expansions you will go with someone I actually liked.



On the other hand, I'm buying the expansion any way. This is the first video game I've been excited about in a long time. I'll take what you throw at me even if I'd rather something else.

[Zusia]

"One of the things that I liked about this DAO was the lack of 13 year old boy ""hur, hur, hur let's say something sexual" interaction with the NPCs. Until I got saddled with that accursed dwarf. I ignored him for the most part, only bothering on my 4th play through or so because I got curious about what his story would turn out to be if I paid attention. It didn't turn out to be worth it. "



This.



When we learned only one Npc would return the first thing I said to my adult daughter who also plays the game was that I hoped it wasn't Oghren. Ahh well Origins was fun now it'll be a long wait and see on buying Awakenings.

[balvan64]

You are this kind of people:

Hammer6767 wrote...
All to often on these forums, people put forth strange arguments then get offended when someone disagrees with them as if there is no room for discussion.

I have explained myself numerous times.

[balvan64]

SamboScoots wrote...
How exactly can you assign value to something you haven't played?How can this expansion feel like a bit of a stripped game if you haven't played it?

Good Question! I'll answer.
First of all I want to say taht everything I'm saying is proportinal to the price I'm payng. If I was only paying 20$ for this expanstion what it offer would be reasonable. But when I'm told that because of budget issue they can't :

1. Icoorporate romance plots.
2. Bring old companios into the new game.
3. Carry over you love intrest from DA:O, not even for a cameo.
4. Carry over the DLC items ew payed for.

I can go on and on but you read the posts from people who are complaining.
It feels like the whole promise of importing your character is kind of hollow, you will even find yourself nude if you used DLC items. and when they are caliming they are low on the budget, I have to wonder what did they do with our 40$... because when we paid just 20% more for DA:O we got a hell of alot more content on. and lets say they didn't exactly lose money on DA:O. When thing are going backward for no appearant reason, I feel that they are striping away the essence of DA and lowering the standart.

[Dansayshi]

I dont see how oghren fits in, wasnt he promoted to a general after DAO? Perhaps he got drunk on the job...



Would of been awesome if we could of just chose a surviving char from DAO. Lets be honest here, wouldnt be too difficult either, just make their personal quest more or less the same. Would just need new dialogue. Would tie in nicely too with say "Origins" in awakening, ie, your choice on who you went with at the end of DAO. Sten, back to the quanari, ogrhen staying in denerim with whoever else stayed etc.



Spose thats all just wishful thinking. At least ill be able to retalent oghren from 2h to DW. Currently using him like that in DAO, and its great.

[balvan64]

IMO Oghren is really the worst choice, I rather it was anyone else, even the dog.

Modifié par balvan64, 22 février 2010 - 12:57 .

[Huojin]

Dansayshi wrote...

I dont see how oghren fits in, wasnt he promoted to a general after DAO? Perhaps he got drunk on the job...

Would of been awesome if we could of just chose a surviving char from DAO. Lets be honest here, wouldnt be too difficult either, just make their personal quest more or less the same. Would just need new dialogue. Would tie in nicely too with say "Origins" in awakening, ie, your choice on who you went with at the end of DAO. Sten, back to the quanari, ogrhen staying in denerim with whoever else stayed etc.

Spose thats all just wishful thinking. At least ill be able to retalent oghren from 2h to DW. Currently using him like that in DAO, and its great.

Oghren had kids my last ending... I guess he dumped them and his wife/got dumped?  I can't imagine it's reasonable even in Ferelden to go wandering off for no reason with young children at home... XD  Zevran has been the only one who has stayed with my PC, when I've lived. I assume he's gotten fed up with me and deserted.

And uh yeah. I just didn't like Oghren.  I loved Gorim though