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[Cutlass Jack]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

ME1 and ME2 squadies need to make up 90 percent of the squad in ME3. I can understand slotting in a familiar face from ME1 or ME2 as a new squaddie, but no brand spanking new members are necessary. We have our team. We don't need another new squad.

Some of us do. :happy:

Pfft Just give you a few 'Redshirts' as stand-ins for being such a poor leader.

[Kabraxal]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Psh, if this were the case then my renegade is going into ME3 with only Jacob, Morinth, and Mordin (and maybe Liara and Kaidan)

New squaddies, plz.

There will be new squaddies, no worries.

The ME3 noobs can't be given characters whose stories have already begun in the past games. The majority of the squad will be new, and they will follow the familiar "introduction - getting to know - personal mission - romance/friendship" arc, for the benefit of the noobs. I don't doubt some old favorites will return, but those dreaming about simply continuing with the ME2 cast from where the game left off are in for a disappointment in 2 years' time.

The game will begin with a tutorial, during which you will be introduced to the new male and female leads. Just like in the two previous games. There will also be the "Jenkins/Wilson" character, who will die in a very short order. We won't start with the remaining team already recruited and "loyal". Whomever ends up in the team, we will recruit in some manner after the tutorial.

If they are worried about newbies in the final act of a trilogy, Bioware seriously has some issues.  Who the **** cares about someone who couldn't be bothered to rent the previous installments and get back up to speed.  If you are coming in blind to the final installment, then that player deserves to be confused and lost.

[Dave the Seagull]

What about if the final boss battle in ME3 was in fact the Giant Baby fron Half Life.





In fact, I'd like Gordon Freeman on my Galactic squad any day.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Kabraxal wrote...

If they are worried about newbies in the final act of a trilogy, Bioware seriously has some issues.  Who the **** cares about someone who couldn't be bothered to rent the previous installments and get back up to speed.  If you are coming in blind to the final installment, then that player deserves to be confused and lost.

BioWare cares, that's who!

And @ guy above, "redshirts" = lazy writing that makes BioWare look bad. They won't give "redshirt" squadmembers.

Bring on the new guys! 

[IronVanguard]

Dave the Seagull wrote...

What about if the final boss battle in ME3 was in fact the Giant Baby fron Half Life.


In fact, I'd like Gordon Freeman on my Galactic squad any day.

I believe you mean you would love to be accepted onto Freeman's team.

[Kabraxal]

IronVanguard wrote...

Dave the Seagull wrote...

What about if the final boss battle in ME3 was in fact the Giant Baby fron Half Life.


In fact, I'd like Gordon Freeman on my Galactic squad any day.

I believe you mean you would love to be accepted onto Freeman's team.

Only if I can kill that worthless character... blech.

[Nozybidaj]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Kerilus wrote...

Recruiting has to be done. If it's still a big part in ME3, ME2 as a character-driven story of the trilogy would be rendered useless.

ME2 was a self-contained story about bringing down the Collectors.

We've done that, so, yes, those characters are pretty much expendable and done with. Hence the fact that they can all die.

This I suppose.  I really don't care if any of the ME2 group comes back.  Don't really care if they do either, so long as they don't take up too many resources during development.

[alperez]

I think at this stage bringing in another raft of new squadmates going on another raft of new recruitment loyalty mission would cheapen the series. We've been there done that.



Funny enough after just replaying once again. when you get the end sequence after shepard talks with TIm and you see shepard walk out through the ship, see people scurrying around rebuilding or fixing damage, nod to the surviving squadmates and take the datapad off joker before looking out into space. it gives the impression that not only are the reapers ready but so is Shepard. That the crew you have are gearing up for the fight ahead, not getting ready to depart as soon as you land and head off into cameoland.



Me2 sets the stage for building a combined army in me3. geth,quarians,krogan.alliance.council.cerberus whoever. Gathering the forces your going to need to stop the reapers once and for all.



So whoever survives plus Liara and Ash/kaiden minus a couple characters who legitimately might not be around Thane etc would probably bring you back up to me2 crew levels.



Re-recruit liara and Ash or kaiden so maybe a mission involving that but for the rest its about building the alliances you need. so missions involving getting the geth on board or the quarians or the krogans or whoever would flesh things out nicely until the epic reaper battle at the end.



For those of us who managed to get everyone through alive then so be it we get most of them back apart from like i say those that can be explained not to be around or have a reason to come back Thane.zaeed to name but 2.



For those who didn't manage to save everyone. you get who you saved minus the storyline plot characters that might not come back plus liara and Ash or kaiden bringing you back up to about the same level as me1.



Not fair i hear you cry, well tough there should be consequences to your failure or unwillingness to get everyone out alive. its your job and if you didn't manage it then you sucked at it and deserve no sympathy and the ramifications of not carrying out that mission properly are yours alone to bear.



For new players, well thats easy, the suicide mission was a success. you get the same as someone who managed to make it a success so you don't get punsihed other than perhaps not having the backstory of these characters.

[Mox Ruuga]

Kabraxal wrote...


If they are worried about newbies in the final act of a trilogy, Bioware seriously has some issues.  Who the **** cares about someone who couldn't be bothered to rent the previous installments and get back up to speed.  If you are coming in blind to the final installment, then that player deserves to be confused and lost.

Like Clint Eastwood's character wisely said in Unforgiven:

"Deserve's got nothing to do with it."

ME2 is a bigger success financially than ME1. You can be sure that the increased focus towards the casual gaming audience is being held at least partially responsible for this in the minds of the bean counters and suits.

Given this new success, will they pitch ME3 towards the noobs and casual gamers more, or less? Why has the talk of the "overarching trilogy where your choices in previous games make a major difference" abated, and the talk of "making the game welcoming to new players" increased?

The new Dragon Age expansion had even less cause to ditch the old companions, and look what happened there.

[Nozybidaj]

Kabraxal wrote...


If they are worried about newbies in the final act of a trilogy, Bioware seriously has some issues.  Who the **** cares about someone who couldn't be bothered to rent the previous installments and get back up to speed.  If you are coming in blind to the final installment, then that player deserves to be confused and lost.

/shrug  I would have said the exact same thing coming into ME2.

[Sharn01]

We did not really need a new squad for ME2 and got one, its up to Bioware what they want to do, for all we know the entire squad from ME2 with only a few exception's could be relegated to cameo appearances.

[Mox Ruuga]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...


If they are worried about newbies in the final act of a trilogy, Bioware seriously has some issues.  Who the **** cares about someone who couldn't be bothered to rent the previous installments and get back up to speed.  If you are coming in blind to the final installment, then that player deserves to be confused and lost.

/shrug  I would have said the exact same thing coming into ME2.

And there... You have it! /Bodahn voice

[Kabraxal]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...


If they are worried about newbies in the final act of a trilogy, Bioware seriously has some issues.  Who the **** cares about someone who couldn't be bothered to rent the previous installments and get back up to speed.  If you are coming in blind to the final installment, then that player deserves to be confused and lost.

Like Clint Eastwood's character wisely said in Unforgiven:

"Deserve's got nothing to do with it."

ME2 is a bigger success financially than ME1. You can be sure that the increased focus towards the casual gaming audience is being held at least partially responsible for this in the minds of the bean counters and suits.

Given this new success, will they pitch ME3 towards the noobs and casual gamers more, or less? Why has the talk of the "overarching trilogy where your choices in previous games make a major difference" abated, and the talk of "making the game welcoming to new players" increased?

The new Dragon Age expansion had even less cause to ditch the old companions, and look what happened there.

And if that is what happens and Bioware sells out... well, then they are no longer good developers that deserve praise for games that actually had integrity.  Sacrificing promises and story simply to pander to a larger casual audience is pathetic.  I have no respect for that attitude.

Why bother promising a trilogy where choice matters only to turn around and not deliver a trilogy where choice matters? 

[Terraneaux]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

No. I refuse to have anyone on my team with better dancing skills than me.

You sold Legion to Cerberus then?

[Nozybidaj]

Kabraxal wrote...

And if that is what happens and Bioware sells out... well, then they are no longer good developers that deserve praise for games that actually had integrity.  Sacrificing promises and story simply to pander to a larger casual audience is pathetic.  I have no respect for that attitude.

Why bother promising a trilogy where choice matters only to turn around and not deliver a trilogy where choice matters? 

That is exactly what we have been asking for a while now....

[Series5Ranger]

kaimanaMM wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

kaimanaMM wrote...

The only person I'd recruit for my M3 team to add that extra touch of panache would be Bann Teagan.

You cannot hope to defeat the Reapers without the jazz hands.

No. I refuse to have anyone on my team with better dancing skills than me.

I'd only take Bann Teagan since I figured Cutlass Jack, Pirate of the Seven Galaxies would be busy.

No Bann Tegan didn't Slaughter a Whole Room of Dark spawn by himself. so you could reconfigure your weapons before the Big Dilly-O with the Archdemon.

ENCHANTMENT! Sandal for ME3 Squaddie!

[Sharn01]

Kabraxal wrote...

And if that is what happens and Bioware sells out... well, then they are no longer good developers that deserve praise for games that actually had integrity.  Sacrificing promises and story simply to pander to a larger casual audience is pathetic.  I have no respect for that attitude.

Why bother promising a trilogy where choice matters only to turn around and not deliver a trilogy where choice matters? 

Some believe they already did when they made ME2 with taking little effort to keep Shepard in character or use his/her decision and squadmates from ME1.

[Terraneaux]

Nozybidaj wrote...

That is exactly what we have been asking for a while now....

Yup.  I don't think EA is missing any sleep at night, however.

[Marta Rio]

Kabraxal wrote...
If they are worried about newbies in the final act of a trilogy, Bioware seriously has some issues.  Who the **** cares about someone who couldn't be bothered to rent the previous installments and get back up to speed.  If you are coming in blind to the final installment, then that player deserves to be confused and lost.

While I don't think they deserve to be confused and lost, I don't think they deserve the same depth to their characters either.  I think Bioware could solve this by just assigning them a predetermined squad, with some slight differences in the dialogue choices.  They could put the definite survivors from ME1 (Liara and either Kaiden or Ash), and then two to four teammates from ME2.  Just like they made choices for newbies to ME2 (council is dead, Wrex is dead, etc.), they could do that for ME3 with the squadmates. 

Just my two cents.  I think that Bioware has created some great new characters for ME2 and had some great ones in ME1, so it'd be a shame if they all got scrapped just to appeal to newbies. 

[Nozybidaj]

Terraneaux wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

That is exactly what we have been asking for a while now....

Yup.  I don't think EA is missing any sleep at night, however.

Probably not, maybe we should look into getting a voodoo priest or something in here to at least put some curses on the dev leads and writers.

[Kabraxal]

Sharn01 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

And if that is what happens and Bioware sells out... well, then they are no longer good developers that deserve praise for games that actually had integrity.  Sacrificing promises and story simply to pander to a larger casual audience is pathetic.  I have no respect for that attitude.

Why bother promising a trilogy where choice matters only to turn around and not deliver a trilogy where choice matters? 

Some believe they already did when they made ME2 with taking little effort to keep Shepard in character or use his/her decision and squadmates from ME1.

There were only a few instances where Shep seemed to break character for me.  And I did not expect the major decisions in ME1 to effect the story until ME3 (save for the Virmire and LI, I expected significant focus in all three games).  ME3 needs to deliver on every choice from these two games and actually be a true conintinuation where choices actually change the third game if Bioware really wants to call these games a trilogy. 

[Tyreal42a]

Too many characters as is. Many of them feel shallow and undeveloped. So yes, less new characters, more focusing on the ones we have and the Reapers would be my choice.



As for the whole 'spectre treaty recruitment' thing, it would be a little too similar if it ends up being like that. Though we do need to go visit Space Morrigan and see what became of our god-demon baby.

[Nozybidaj]

Kabraxal wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

And if that is what happens and Bioware sells out... well, then they are no longer good developers that deserve praise for games that actually had integrity.  Sacrificing promises and story simply to pander to a larger casual audience is pathetic.  I have no respect for that attitude.

Why bother promising a trilogy where choice matters only to turn around and not deliver a trilogy where choice matters? 

Some believe they already did when they made ME2 with taking little effort to keep Shepard in character or use his/her decision and squadmates from ME1.

There were only a few instances where Shep seemed to break character for me.  And I did not expect the major decisions in ME1 to effect the story until ME3 (save for the Virmire and LI, I expected significant focus in all three games).  ME3 needs to deliver on every choice from these two games and actually be a true conintinuation where choices actually change the third game if Bioware really wants to call these games a trilogy. 

I already have a hard time calling it a trilogy.  There is so little connection between the first and the second chapters that even if ME3 tries to bring it all together you are going to have folks who look at ME1 and ME3 as the "real" parts of the trilogy and folks who look at ME2 and ME3 as the "real" parts of the trilogy.

They certainly should have done a much better job of connecting the first and the second games so that in the end all three would have felt at least a little bit cohesive.

[Cutlass Jack]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...


If they are worried about newbies in the final act of a trilogy, Bioware seriously has some issues.  Who the **** cares about someone who couldn't be bothered to rent the previous installments and get back up to speed.  If you are coming in blind to the final installment, then that player deserves to be confused and lost.

/shrug  I would have said the exact same thing coming into ME2.

And there... You have it! /Bodahn voice

Enchantment!