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[A Fhaol Bhig]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

A little update... Currently there are about 100+ votes in and it turns out that a lot of people seem to play as a female Shepard. So, keep this thread alive to get some attention from the devs.

[Nyx]

I support having more attention to FemShep's overall physical development (movement that suits her frame, armor, etc.) and participation in trailers, but not the changes to her personality. No matter who she is, what she looks like, or where she comes from, Commander Shepard is foremost Shepard, one of the galaxy's most prized soldiers. I would certainly not want Shepard to be less assertive simply because she is female. Otherwise, she wouldn't have gotten to the level of recognition she currently has for talent and dedication alone.

As for head-butting Krogans, sometimes you have intensify your actions in order to deliver the exact, same message as you would for someone who is more passive in their expression. Shepard's success is in part due to his or her ability to vary their communication style to suit different needs and demands. If you watch the "Fight for the Lost" trailers, notice how each squadmate describes their commander. For instance, Grunt says Shepard listens to his impulses, and Jack says Shepard "thinks" too much. It will be ultimately hard to earn respect from your squadmates if you are unable to reach beyond your comfort zone.

I think having the option to choose how Shepard can respond (within his or her limits, of course) is a huge plus. Sometimes, I just like the gun-toting, abrasive, and smack-talking type. Other times, I can choose to be ruthless and intimidating without demoting myself to utilizing unprofessional tactics.

[LiquidGrape]

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Modifié par LiquidGrape, 03 juin 2010 - 02:47 .

[RyrineaNara]

The Op needs to learn what Feminism is. Have you actually seen a woman in the military? Because they hardly act feminine as you described. But I guess, I am not feminine, because I can shoot guns, play sports, and doesn't cry when I break a nail.

But I agree, that female shepard needs more marketing. 

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 28 février 2010 - 10:44 .

[A Fhaol Bhig]

LiquidGrape wrote...

A Fhaol Bhig wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

I wish people would stop deferring to the heteronormative of what constitutes femininity.
Shepard kicks ass just fine the way she does.
- Please don't start molding her into a definition of gender.

I wish you would actually read the thread, or at least the posts on this page and see that not everyone is doing that.

I do recognize that. And I never assumed anything else.
But what the OP proposes is basically just that; femshep should submit to a traditional gender construct in order to be more "feminine".

Sorry, I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

[hangmans tree]

...well, somebody brought up the male-female equality. On physical level females are inferior to men (in general). Why people keep arguing about that I can not fathom. Capabilities are altogether different subject.

Men, on average, have denser, stronger bones, tendons, and ligaments. Dissipate heat faster,...

Men typically have larger tracheae and branching bronchi, with about 30 percent greater lung volume per body mass. They have larger hearts, 10 percent higher red blood cell count, higher hemoglobin, hence greater oxygen-carrying capacity. They also have higher circulating clotting factors (vitamin K, prothrombin and platelets). These differences lead to faster healing of wounds and higher peripheral pain tolerance.

[tanarri23]

FemShep should get her own walk/run animations because mapping the male ones to her model in ME2 looked quite awkward. Apart from that, she's OK the way she is.

[sanityleak]

I can understand the arguments at the moment and I think it'd be a good idea for -future- content. Though, I think we should be wary of trying to pigeon hole the character in any way due to gender stereotypes. If you don't want your shep to head bash a Krogan.... don't do it. Duh. Are you then going to keep FShep from sitting for the Asari strippers on Omega?



Shepard is the 'pinnacle' of human ass kicking, spec ops, badassery. Hence he/she being the only human spectre in ME1, and being the 'only one that can defeat the ... threat'. A certain bit of feminism, great. But don't start knocking character options out or limit my play because of a gender decision. Unique dialogue? Great. But lets keep to a solidarity idea of "Shepard".

[nirvana405]

FemShep and MaleShep are animated the same way.  That much is obvious. Yeah, I preferred her animations in ME1 because they were unique to her, but I understand why Bioware made the animations gender-neutral: it's expensive and time consuming to have two sets of animations.  I don't begrudge Bioware for trying save some time and money by doing this.  Hopefully if there female aliens in ME3, FemShep's feminine animations will make a comeback.

Ever since I played through ME1, I've only ever played as FemShep.  I went through my first playthrough of ME1 as a FemShep named Felicia, and I've beaten both games multiple times with her.  The reason I keep going back to her is because the FemShep voice acting is better, and I think some of the more masculine behaviors (like headbutting a krogan) is absolutely hilarious when I imagine my FemShep doing them.  Especially because I imagine her being petite, but that doesn't mean she can't  also be a compact badass.

That being said, I'll admit that wouldn't mind FemShep being animated more like Miranda.  I'm not saying FemShep should suddenly become this femme fatale in ME3, because she shouldn't, but I don't see the harm in repurposing some of the more typically "feminine" animations used for Miranda.  Maybe not during missions, but when FemShep is in her casual wear she should be allowed to be less like a soldier and more like a confident, strong, attractive woman who can kick ass whenever she needs/wants to and command respect from anyone who crosses her. 

Am I alone in saying any of this, because I don't think I am.

[Peepshow12]

What if instead of the headbut FemShep kicked the Krogan right in the quads? That make everyone happy? Actually wait I want MaleShep to do that to. Back to the drawing board I suppose.

[bjcuda]

FemShep is just a guy with boobs.  The way she sits (like a construction worker on a coffee break), the way she carries herself, even the way she speaks is so masculine.

I think Miranda's appeal is that she is tough and feminine.  She is strong but has a certain vulnerability.  Why can't we see that in a FemShep?

There must also be a strong male figure as a romantic interest (if it has to be an alien, can we have one with lips).  Every leader has to have a second that can take over for a while; even if it's just for a few minutes.  The commander, male or female, needs to have someone else be the strong, unbreakable one.

Face it, Shep has the fate of humanity riding on her shoulders. Can one of the other characters "feel her pain" and support her once in a while?

[Batman90]

bjcuda wrote...

FemShep is just a guy with boobs.  The way she sits (like a construction worker on a coffee break), the way she carries herself, even the way she speaks is so masculine.

I think Miranda's appeal is that she is tough and feminine.  She is strong but has a certain vulnerability.  Why can't we see that in a FemShep?

There must also be a strong male figure as a romantic interest (if it has to be an alien, can we have one with lips).  Every leader has to have a second that can take over for a while; even if it's just for a few minutes.  The commander, male or female, needs to have someone else be the strong, unbreakable one.

Face it, Shep has the fate of humanity riding on her shoulders. Can one of the other characters "feel her pain" and support her once in a while?

You're stereotyping the female gender if you believe that female characters need a "certain vulnerability" in order to be strong characters, and males don't. If female Shepard needs to be more intimate/troubled, so too does male Shepard (There's nothing wrong with showing your emotions, guys; expressing yourself is actually showing that you're emotionally mature, while trying to supress your emotions and hide from them is the exact opposite of emotional maturity).

Modifié par Batman90, 22 avril 2010 - 12:49 .

[lastpatriot]

"My name is Rayne Shepard and I support this message."

[Darkhour]

No time for minor details like making a women non-butch, helmet toggling, run toggle, squad armor, screenshot capability, AI, biotic mechanics, story, etc. etc. Bioware is past that nonsense. The most important aspect is pew-pew!!!

[smallrit]

I think Female Shep should get her own walking animation feminine or not.



And she should get DLC armors which fits her body proportion...will...basically just what the OP said.

[JojiGirl]

@ LiqiudGrape and RyrineaNara



First off, I'm not saying FemShep needs to be all girly like and such or whatever you said. I said she needs to be animated as if she was a lady ( you know, kinda because she is, duh ), and not animated like a big ripped male marine....you DO know MaleShep's body is much larger and ripped than FemShep...right?



Second, RyrineaNara, yes, I have seen PLENTY of real female marines, have you? Because the way you're talking it seems the only females marines you have seen are the ones on tv...now THOSE are stereo-types. Anyway, I have plenty of friends AND relatives who are female marines and you know what? EVERY ONE OF THEM CARRIES THEMSELVES LIKE A LADY!! They wear make up, put on sexy clothes, hell most of them even have really sexy walks. well, except my friend Candice, but she's always been a tomboy. So yeah, what does be a marine have to do with FemShep being a lady?? You spend to much time watching movies. Also so you won't get hurt later, a LOT of female marine HATE when people talk about them as if they're no longer women....it really pisses them off......really...

[enormousmoonboots]

The only thing I really agree with here is that the animations should be touched up--porting Manshep's animations to a smaller skeleton leads to a lot of annoying little glitches; hovering, moving things wrong, clipping, interacting wrong, etc. It's sloppy.

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Headbutting the Krogan. Now this is a difficult one. I totally love that scene with my femShep. She headbutts the Krogan!!! I love her! BUT: they did NOT design that scene with the girl in mind, never ever. It's a very juvenile, virile power display. Why would a woman do that? She's on a mission, not trying to look good among Krogans. Anyway. Where are special scenes where femShep can kick ass in a woman's way? I'm not sure what that would be. I'm not suggesting seduction, obviously, as this would be cliché and lame (well, ok, maybe if its funny and tastefully done), but i'd suggest some complex mind-game, you know, diplomatic, polite, evil.

That IS krogan diplomacy. You gain respect among krogans by beating them up. If you can't do that, GTFO Tuchanka or lie down and become food for the varren.

LiquidGrape wrote...

I wish people would stop deferring to
the heteronormative of what constitutes femininity.
Shepard kicks
ass just fine the way she does.
- Please don't start molding her into
a definition of gender.

This, this, so much this. Can we be married in a non-denominational ceremony? I'm not feminine in real life, and I love that I finally have a game where my character can kick exactly as much ass as I feel like kicking without being expected to politely talk things out or lean on someone because That Is What Girls Do.

[JojiGirl]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

The only thing I really agree with here is that the animations should be touched up--porting Manshep's animations to a smaller skeleton leads to a lot of annoying little glitches; hovering, moving things wrong, clipping, interacting wrong, etc. It's sloppy.

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Headbutting the Krogan. Now this is a difficult one. I totally love that scene with my femShep. She headbutts the Krogan!!! I love her! BUT: they did NOT design that scene with the girl in mind, never ever. It's a very juvenile, virile power display. Why would a woman do that? She's on a mission, not trying to look good among Krogans. Anyway. Where are special scenes where femShep can kick ass in a woman's way? I'm not sure what that would be. I'm not suggesting seduction, obviously, as this would be cliché and lame (well, ok, maybe if its funny and tastefully done), but i'd suggest some complex mind-game, you know, diplomatic, polite, evil.

That IS krogan diplomacy. You gain respect among krogans by beating them up. If you can't do that, GTFO Tuchanka or lie down and become food for the varren.

LiquidGrape wrote...

I wish people would stop deferring to
the heteronormative of what constitutes femininity.
Shepard kicks
ass just fine the way she does.
- Please don't start molding her into
a definition of gender.

This, this, so much this. Can we be married in a non-denominational ceremony? I'm not feminine in real life, and I love that I finally have a game where my character can kick exactly as much ass as I feel like kicking without being expected to politely talk things out or lean on someone because That Is What Girls Do.

 huh? Where are you all getting this from? Who said FemShep can't kick butt? Who said she has to act girly? Who said she should talk things out? Not a single person. Why shouldn't she NOT just be a simple copy-n-paste of MaleShep?? You all are saying we're the ones trying to stereotype her, when it's actually you all. You mean to tell me in order for a lady to kick some butt she has to walk and act like a man??? PUH-LEASE!! Talk like that really annoys the hell out of the majority of female marines...who are indeed very feminine and sexy.

[Shotokanguy]

I keep seeing people say she was fine in ME1...even though, just like ME2, she shares the same animations as male Shepard.

The animation was just better in ME1. I'm sure they've seen enough complaints that they'll look at the running/walking animation for both genders this time around.

[Kyda]

I agree that FemShep needs her own movements, they don’t need to "change" a lot of things (like the way she sits, or how she stands) just make them fit the body. Besides, it is not like it hasn´t been done already (ME1 has different body movements for male and female) so I don’t understand why it can’t be brought back on ME3 (at least). It was like a step back.

[Kyda]

rynluna wrote...

I've said this before. Just bring back Femshep's ME1 walking/running animations.

This

[JojiGirl]

Kyda wrote...

rynluna wrote...

I've said this before. Just bring back Femshep's ME1 walking/running animations.

This

 Exactly

[JamieCOTC]

JojiGirl wrote...

Kyda wrote...

rynluna wrote...

I've said this before. Just bring back Femshep's ME1 walking/running animations.

This

 Exactly

Agreed.  Her dancing is still bad in ME1, but better than in ME2.  The more I think about it, the more I believe Miranda did put a control chip in her brain.  Cannot walk correctly, cannot dance, comes on to Jacob every chance she gets, ignores Liara if LI, does not remember Cerberus was involved in the events on Akuze, etc, etc ...