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Zhijn wrote...

Is this about Ash being out of character, or do you find that the game are taking your lord's name in vain?.


Nope, it's about being out of character.

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I thought it made perfect sens what she said. Shepard is a goddamn hero and back from the death.


/begin sarcasm

Yeah... If that ain't reason enough to reward someone with the title of "GOD", what is?
 
/end sarcsm

Modifié par Malcolm Theory, 20 février 2010 - 01:03 .


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Pauravi wrote...

Also, Delan was a ****** and I wish I could have given him to the Collectors in exchange for Lilith.



Your not alone there,

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Agreed I thought it was a little over the top, but not as bad as in the next breath she takes calling him a traitor. God -> Traitor in less time than it takes to fart? Okay.



Still, about as "out of character" as Liara saying "aye aye" to Shepard during the Normandy attack while we are nitpicking here. :P



Just wasn't a whole lot of attention to detail for the writing for the old LI's.

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Figure of speech, stop reading so much into things.

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luk3us wrote...

Figure of speech, stop reading so much into things.


Agreed.

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Pauravi wrote...

I think it is perfectly appropriate, and I know lots of religious people who take the lords name in vain all the time. Clearly she is into sex before marriage, too :P So maybe she isn't a good Christian, so what?


Who says she's a christian at all? She just says she believes in God.

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off the top of my head, I can't think of another point in the game where I didn't find the conversation wheel options satisfactory. You'd have thought he could explain the situation to her properly, at least, as opposed to making it seem like Shepard was out and about, but covert?

I understand your gripe.  I felt that way at first, and I still do a little bit, especially in the greeting, but there are some reasonable dialogue options there.  You can explain that you were actually out of commission while you were being revived by Cerberus.  Of course, that pisses her off just as much.  Instead of realizing that you'd still be dead if it weren't for them, she starts raving about how evil they are.

That PO'd me at first, but then I realized how in character that is.  She is, and always was, an Alliance Soldier first and foremost.  She believes in the Alliance, and their enemies are her enemies.  Of course she would feel betrayed that her dear friend, and probably the biggest Alliance hero in history, is now working for the people she is working against.  Honestly, I don't think the exchange is bad, it just doesn't turn out how you want it to and in turn that makes you feel crappy, or angry, and as well it should.  Your friend/lover and team mate just called you a traitor and walked out on you.  If you weren't upset by the scene then you probably didn't care about her all that much, which means that she was an ineffective character.

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Malcolm Theory wrote...

Alright, now this may seem like a pointless little piece of dialogue to pick at, but I'm a huge Ash fan, and as a result, I find the line completely out of character.

I already know that Chris E'letoile didn't write her role in ME2 (it's obvious that her's and Kaidan's cameos were written by the same person), but who on earth came up with that line? Religous people usually don't use the term "god" to describe people. Image IPB
 
The first time I watched it, it made me raise my eyebrow. The second time, I shook my head. The third time I cringed. And now I just mute it. It's a ridiculous line, that illustrates the problems of  handing over a character to another writer.

I'm not really looking for a discussion, I'm just voicing my opinion on the matter.
 


Foreshadowing.



The whole dam game was a chekovs gun.

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luk3us wrote...

Figure of speech, stop reading so much into things.


Last time I checked, calling someone a "god" isn't a common figure of speech.

And I'm not "reading into things". I'm reacting to some spotty dialogue. Image IPB

Modifié par Malcolm Theory, 20 février 2010 - 01:23 .


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It's not likley I'll encounter Ashley on Horizon any time soon--unless one of her sisters is a colonist there and has an urn full of radioactive Virmire soil on her mantle--but without having seen the speach myself, that doesn't sound very out of character.



Choosing Kaidan was the right choice from a logistics standpoint. Not having to listen to Ashley's poetry or ridiculous nonsense is just a bonus.

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PiercedMonk wrote...

It's not likley I'll encounter Ashley on Horizon any time soon--unless one of her sisters is a colonist there and has an urn full of radioactive Virmire soil on her mantle--but without having seen the speach myself, that doesn't sound very out of character.

Choosing Kaidan was the right choice from a logistics standpoint. Not having to listen to Ashley's poetry or ridiculous nonsense is just a bonus.


With all due respect, considering the fact that you obviously don't like, nor care about the character, I don't really hold your opinion on the matter in a very high regard.

Modifié par Malcolm Theory, 20 février 2010 - 01:28 .


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PiercedMonk wrote...

It's not likley I'll encounter Ashley on Horizon any time soon--unless one of her sisters is a colonist there and has an urn full of radioactive Virmire soil on her mantle--but without having seen the speach myself, that doesn't sound very out of character.

Choosing Kaidan was the right choice from a logistics standpoint. Not having to listen to Ashley's poetry or ridiculous nonsense is just a bonus.



Who cares what you think? Atleast Ash had a personality. If you cant appreciate that you should stop playing Mass effect and play Halo, i hear the Master chief is a very boring caracter something you should like that.

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Death closes all: but something ere the end,
Some work of noble note may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.


I didn't find it particularly out of character. Though I the first time I was a bit groggy and thought she said "You're sending in the presence of Dylan Moran". That was weird.

Modifié par Ulicus, 20 février 2010 - 01:33 .


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Malcolm Theory wrote...

Doug84 wrote...

Malcolm Theory wrote...

Religous people usually don't use the term "god" to describe people. Image IPB


You mean, the people who are religous that you know wouldn't use that term.


Yes, I realise that I generalized. But in this case, that generalization would hold true most of the time no matter what part of the world you are in.

It's a fact: most religous people do not use the term to describe a person. Now I realize ithat she's not serious (do you people think I'm a moron?Image IPB Don't answer that.), but it's still annoys me to no end.

Fair enough, fair enough.

To be honest, didn't bug me at all, heh. But then again, I come from a land where religious people are minority - England :D

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Malcolm Theory wrote...

PiercedMonk wrote...

It's not likley I'll encounter Ashley on Horizon any time soon--unless one of her sisters is a colonist there and has an urn full of radioactive Virmire soil on her mantle--but without having seen the speach myself, that doesn't sound very out of character.

Choosing Kaidan was the right choice from a logistics standpoint. Not having to listen to Ashley's poetry or ridiculous nonsense is just a bonus.


With all due respect, considering the fact that you obviously don't like, nor care about the character, I don't really hold your opinion on the matter in a very high regard.


Truer words where probably never spoken.

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Ulicus wrote...

Death closes all: but something ere the end,
Some work of noble note may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.


I didn't find it particularly out of character.


That was a quote from Ulysses. Reciting a poem that was inspired by Greek heroes, and the Divine Comendy, as a means of reassurance, doesn't mean anything. Calling Shepard a "god", is a completely differnet matter. 

Modifié par Malcolm Theory, 20 février 2010 - 01:39 .


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ME3: Shepard defeats the Reapers, disappears, has a new religion based on him.



I can see it happen, to be honest.

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Ashley voices her belief in God to Shepard, but that doesn't necessarily make her devout. It could just be that with the threat of imminent death hanging over their heads, Ashley found some faith in the proverbial foxhole.



So I don't necessarily see that comment as being out of character. After all depending on how you play the game, she might also have sex with Shepard, even though they aren't married. If she has no problem breaking the 6th Commandment, why would she have a problem with breaking the 1st?

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Who says she's christian!? Since when did religious = christian only? Maybe her religion has no problem with sexy time.

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Malcolm Theory wrote...

luk3us wrote...

Figure of speech, stop reading so much into things.


Last time I checked, calling someone a "god" isn't a common figure of speech.

And I'm not "reading into things". I'm reacting to some spotty dialogue. Image IPB


Calling someone "a god" (note the slight difference in quote mark positioning between your line and mine) wouldn't be out of place with the people I associate with.  And plenty of those people are religious.  It's simply a way of designating someone who's done something extremely spectacular and praiseworthy.  There's no intention to imply that the individual in question is really divine in any sort of fashion.  As a result, I didn't have any problem with the line at all.  Nor did it seem at all out of place.

I also have no problem with her sudden turn around in attitude shortly afterwards.  The praise and hug (and possibly kiss) are her "You're really still alive!" reaction.  Then she naturally wonders why you didn't bother to call her during the last couple of years and left her a grieving wreck.  And then finally she gets hit with the belated realization that this means that you're really working for the evil Cerberus organization after all and lays into you.

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I just pretend she's referring to my Shepard's "other" God-like apparatus =P

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Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Ashley voices her belief in God to Shepard, but that doesn't necessarily make her devout. It could just be that with the threat of imminent death hanging over their heads, Ashley found some faith in the proverbial foxhole.

So I don't necessarily see that comment as being out of character. After all depending on how you play the game, she might also have sex with Shepard, even though they aren't married. If she has no problem breaking the 6th Commandment, why would she have a problem with breaking the 1st?


You're thinking impractically. One does not have to be devout, to be considered religious.

There are some "rules" religious people don't adhere to as strongly as others.

For example: Lots of religious people have sex before they are married; it's a fact.

Another fact: Lots of religious people don't use the term god loosely enough to apply it to a person. They might use it when excited, but that's usually the extent of the use.

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Modifié par monkeycamoran, 12 septembre 2010 - 03:01 .


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Skilled Seeker wrote...

Who says she's christian!? Since when did religious = christian only? Maybe her religion has no problem with sexy time.


This, she sounds protestant to me.

Modifié par Funkcase, 20 février 2010 - 01:50 .


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Edit: double post.

Modifié par Funkcase, 20 février 2010 - 01:49 .