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[Funkcase]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Who says she's christian!? Since when did religious = christian only? Maybe her religion has no problem with sexy time.

This, she sounds protestant to me.

Modifié par Funkcase, 20 février 2010 - 01:48 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Who says she's christian!? Since when did religious = christian only? Maybe her religion has no problem with sexy time.

She has an English surname and a North American accent. Chances are, she's Christian.

If her name had been Fatima Mansour and she had a Middle-Eastern accent, I'd assume she was Muslim.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 20 février 2010 - 02:45 .

[chem light]

Funkcase wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Who says she's christian!? Since when did religious = christian only? Maybe her religion has no problem with sexy time.

This, she sounds protestant to me.

How so?  She never mentions any tenants of any religion let alone a particular denomination.

[Ulicus]

Malcolm Theory wrote...

That was a quote from Ulysses.

Gosh, really? I honestly had no idea.

Malcolm Theory wrote...

Reciting a poem that was inspired by Greek heroes, and the Divine Comendy, as a means of reassurance, doesn't mean anything. Calling Shepard a "god", is a completely differnet matter. 

Why? Ashley is likely familiar with the Olympians, even if only through one that poem. That she'd compare Shepard to one isn't exactly derailment. Especially when she's already alluded to them via Tennyson in the previous game.

Seems to me you're making a mountain out of a molehill. *shrug*

I admit I think it seems a bit weird when she's saying it to a non-romanced MShep or FemShep... but, otherwise? Nah.

[PiercedMonk]

Malcolm Theory wrote...

PiercedMonk wrote...

It's not likley I'll encounter Ashley on Horizon any time soon--unless one of her sisters is a colonist there and has an urn full of radioactive Virmire soil on her mantle--but without having seen the speach myself, that doesn't sound very out of character.

Choosing Kaidan was the right choice from a logistics standpoint. Not having to listen to Ashley's poetry or ridiculous nonsense is just a bonus.

With all due respect, considering the fact that you obviously don't like, nor care about the character, I don't really hold your opinion on the matter in a very high regard.

The fact that I dislike the character has no bearing on my ability to recognise consistancy of characterization.

In 'Mass Effect', Ashley was prone to saying silly, over-wrought nonsense. So where's the change.

Also, your primary object to the turn of phrase seems to be that she's religious. That's fair, as there certinally are religious folk who would be adverse to to saying such a thing. The question than has to be is Ashley one of them? Consider, if you will, we really have no idea what religion Ashley is. Presumably it's a monotheistic one, as she refers to God in the singular form, but that's the only clue. Christian? Jewish? Muslim? Sikh? Mormon? Yazidi? Personally I choose to believe she's Zoroastrian, if for no other reason than it entertains me to do so. The fact of the matter is that Ashley gives no indication as to which particular faith she belongs, if any of them. Her concept of god could be a personal one without any formal dogma associated with it or dictating behaviour.

Further, just how serriously does Ashley take her faith? She's a believer, but it's not as though you ever see her pray or perform any sorts of rites. Her faith exists, but it's not the defining aspect of her character.

When you get right down to it, people, even religious people, often refer to another person as gods. Athletes and musicians are both often given the title, simply for being exceptional at what they do. And, personally, I don't think it'd be out of character for Ashley to refer to Shepard in such terms.

[Eumerin]

Malcolm Theory wrote...

I know, and that would be fine if it was someone elses dialogue. But considering the fact that people of faith don't usually use the term that liberally, it kinda puts me off.

Except that, as I mention, I personally know plenty of religious people who are quite comfortable using the phrase in that fashion.

The reason that it's jarring to you probably has more to do with the region that you live in and the speech patterns of people in that region than anything else.

[przemichal]

It's quite simple, really. She's speaking figuratively. Shepard died and now he's back among the living. For Ash, he's a living proof of God's existence. He's uder God's personal protection now

Modifié par przemichal, 20 février 2010 - 02:02 .

[contown]

If she thinks I'm a god, why was she being such a jerk to me? Does she want me to smite her or something?

[Sigma Tauri]

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 12 septembre 2010 - 03:02 .

[stormhit]

When I first heard her say that I assumed it was partly sarcastic and bitter, so when the rest of the conversation ended up going poorly I was in no way surprised.

[Sphynx118]

Why do you even care what she says when she looks like a male? Ash has a bad case of teh manface

[chem light]

People seem a little...antagonistic twds the OP. I can see where the OP is coming from though. Respect of one's god or prophet etc... is a common tenant of faith. As the only character who mentions the belief in an afterlife with some regularity if you take her on missions with you she's kind of the "religious one" in our Mass Effect Real World.

[Alamar2078]

I just took that as Ash taking "poetic license". To me it seemed 100% in character simply because it was flowery language ... just what I'd expect from a sterotypical response from her.

[smudboy]

Malcolm Theory wrote...

Alright, now this may seem like a pointless little piece of dialogue to pick at, but I'm a huge Ash fan, and as a result, I find the line completely out of character.

I already know that Chris E'letoile didn't write her role in ME2 (it's obvious that her's and Kaidan's cameos were written by the same person), but who on earth came up with that line? Religous people usually don't use the term "god" to describe people. 
 
The first time I watched it, it made me raise my eyebrow. The second time, I shook my head. The third time I cringed. And now I just mute it. It's a ridiculous line, that illustrates the problems of  handing over a character to another writer.

I'm not really looking for a discussion, I'm just voicing my opinion on the matter.
 

If you think that's bad, you should see the last boss...

[Sigma Tauri]

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 12 septembre 2010 - 03:02 .

[Wraith_3]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought it was odd. Her whole reaction to Shepard was odd. You think that she would at least figure that Shepard had a good reason to be helping Cerberus, especially if she was the love interest in your ME1 game.



I thought that either she, like people have said, was speaking figuratively that he came back from the dead, or she was being sarcastic because of how people treat Shepard as a sort of savior of the galaxy..

[chem light]

Wraith_3 wrote...

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought it was odd. Her whole reaction to Shepard was odd. You think that she would at least figure that Shepard had a good reason to be helping Cerberus, especially if she was the love interest in your ME1 game.

I thought that either she, like people have said, was speaking figuratively that he came back from the dead, or she was being sarcastic because of how people treat Shepard as a sort of savior of the galaxy..

The voice didn't come across as sarcastic to me.  In fact, I was taken aback when the conversation when south so quickly.  I was like, "oh hai! thanx for the hug. how you been?"

And both she and kaidan wer like "Rawr!  Give me your head."

And I was like, "meep..."

[Mr0TYuH]

They're just setting up for the sex scene in Mass Effect 3.



Ashley: "Oh God, oh God, oh God...Shepard, I'm talking to you.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Malcolm Theory wrote...


You're thinking impractically. One does not have to be devout, to be considered religious.

There are some "rules" religious people don't adhere to as strongly as others.

For example: Lots of religious people have sex before they are married; it's a fact.

Another fact: Lots of religious people don't use the term god loosely enough to apply it to a person. They might use it when excited, but that's usually the extent of the use.

The point I was trying to make was that just because Ashley said she believes in God and an afterlife, doesn't necessarily mean it is out of  character for her to to call Shepard 'a god.'

Most people don't adhere to the letter to the tenets of their faith. Only the most devout do, and there is no evidence in game that Ashley falls into that category.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 20 février 2010 - 03:01 .

[WrexShepard]

Ash never said she was a christian. She just said she believed in a god.



ME2 reveals that Shepard is her god. It also reveals she's had a crisis in faith...

[cronshaw8]

Malcolm Theory wrote...

Alright, now this may seem like a pointless little piece of dialogue to pick at, but I'm a huge Ash fan, and as a result, I find the line completely out of character.

I already know that Chris E'letoile didn't write her role in ME2 (it's obvious that her's and Kaidan's cameos were written by the same person), but who on earth came up with that line? Religous people usually don't use the term "god" to describe people. 
 
The first time I watched it, it made me raise my eyebrow. The second time, I shook my head. The third time I cringed. And now I just mute it. It's a ridiculous line, that illustrates the problems of  handing over a character to another writer.

I'm not really looking for a discussion, I'm just voicing my opinion on the matter.
 

It is consistant in tone with the Tennyson quote from "Ulysses" in ME1
"not unbecoming men who strove with gods" line 53

Modifié par cronshaw8, 20 février 2010 - 04:58 .

[Spectre_Shepard]

its a figure of speech.