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"You're standing in the presence of a god Delan."

Débuté par Guest_Malcolm Theory_* , févr. 20 2010 12:37

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 08:17

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This godlike topic still going! Fantastic.

Something to pounder on. Death (and back from the death) is usually tied/associated with "godhood" in many religions. And in many cultures a person actions can give him the statue of a legend, god, divine and what not.

And dont forget that Shepard did the impossible in ME1, he stopped a reaper that nobody else have been able to in ooh i dont know, thousand of years. He then died and was brought back!. This is a sci-fi game, so yes its kinda relevant to my point, considering what we know.

This topic isnt about "out of character" Ashley, this is about you thinking calling someone "God" is totally against anything you belive in. So just say it as it is, this is a religious thing to you.

Bah, why do bother with this!. :crying:

Modifié par Zhijn, 20 février 2010 - 08:19 .

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 08:20

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TheTrac3r wrote...

I'm sort of wondering if we need to look beyond the words and go for feeling.

BioWare has implied several times that, as a trilogy, the characters in ME1 were suppressed in ME2 so you can...well...play ME2, but will not be losing their importance to ME3.  IE: some will come back, if you're unfaithful they'll be consequences, etc etc.  Malcolm's right tbh.  Her speech did seem pretty weird.  I know it pissed me off quite a bit.  I pondered replaying ME1, and sending her to die instead.  I'll take **** from Kaiden, he was my Exec Officer in the first game.  I won't take **** from a damn grunt *I* rescued.  Then I thought, maybe BioWare purposefully included flawed dialog in an attempt to really ****** you off, so that you'll bond more (for the time being) with your new crew, cutties ties with the old.


That's the only rational explanation for the scene.

And to make the Ash/Kaidan romancers feel better about the "gut punching" feeling, they decide to add in an apology email stating that Ash/Kaidan are uncertain about the future of the relationship.

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 08:21

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If you come back from the dead to wrestle around the galaxy with 37 million year old Robot Calamari i think you deserve the title 'god'.

and well, for all those religious ppl out there, just call him 'Jesus Shepard' and pretend he's the 2nd comming of christ or something <_<

Modifié par Wiggletphyre, 20 février 2010 - 08:22 .

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 08:23

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Zhijn wrote...

(snip)

This topic isnt about "out of character" Ashley, this is about you thinking calling someone "God" is totally against anything you belive in. So just say it as it is, this is a religious thing to you.


No. It isn't.

I've already stated that I wouldn't care if Conrad (or some other person that idolizes Shepard), called Shepard "a god".

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 08:25

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I had more difficulty with it when she spoke her peace about Cerberus. That she didn't like aliens, but Cerberus was extremist. It seemed like a flat interpretation of her character.



The following e-mail was quite well done, though.

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 08:29

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stillnotking wrote...

I heard it.  In fact, on my first playthrough, not knowing how the meeting was going to go, that was a big "uh oh" moment.  I admit it's not telegraphed strongly in her voice but the undertone is there.

Everyone can judge for themselves: Ashley meets Shepard on Horizon


I still can't hear it.

Here's the Kaidan one: Kaidan meets Shepard on Horizon

Modifié par Malcolm Theory, 20 février 2010 - 08:30 .

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 08:31

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Alocormin wrote...

I had more difficulty with it when she spoke her peace about Cerberus. That she didn't like aliens, but Cerberus was extremist. It seemed like a flat interpretation of her character.

The following e-mail was quite well done, though.


See, the one got to me, too.

In ME1, she was NOT alien friendly.  She repeatedly, if she was on your team during the final mission, insisted that human lives could not be sacrificed to save the council, etc.  Contrast her with...Jacob, lets say.  Former alliance soldier, like you.  Accomplished career (he saved the Citadel too, in some big mission).  Not unheroic in any way.  He joined Cerberus just fine.  AS did Chakwas (that was a huge credibility boost for me, the ol' Doc coming around).  But no, Cerberus isn't good enough for "holier than thou" Williams, lol.  And she BEGAN with the closest ideology TO Cerberus, but despite "greater" people compromising and working towards goals (You, Garrus, etc), she gets all mighty on you.

Inconsistent? Yes.
Flat? You bet

I reiterate.  It's there just to ****** you off.

#133
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Posté 20 février 2010 - 08:32

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meh, it was a corny line but hardly out of character. i think you're reading too much into a turn of phrase.

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 08:32

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Alocormin wrote...

I had more difficulty with it when she spoke her peace about Cerberus. That she didn't like aliens, but Cerberus was extremist. It seemed like a flat interpretation of her character.

The following e-mail was quite well done, though.


I noticed that.

I don't think the writer (or writers) that did Kaidan's/Ash's dialogue on horizon, had anything to do with the e-mail.

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 08:34

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TheTrac3r wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

I had more difficulty with it when she spoke her peace about Cerberus. That she didn't like aliens, but Cerberus was extremist. It seemed like a flat interpretation of her character.

The following e-mail was quite well done, though.


See, the one got to me, too.

In ME1, she was NOT alien friendly.  She repeatedly, if she was on your team during the final mission, insisted that human lives could not be sacrificed to save the council, etc.  Contrast her with...Jacob, lets say.  Former alliance soldier, like you.  Accomplished career (he saved the Citadel too, in some big mission).  Not unheroic in any way.  He joined Cerberus just fine.  AS did Chakwas (that was a huge credibility boost for me, the ol' Doc coming around).  But no, Cerberus isn't good enough for "holier than thou" Williams, lol.  And she BEGAN with the closest ideology TO Cerberus, but despite "greater" people compromising and working towards goals (You, Garrus, etc), she gets all mighty on you.

Inconsistent? Yes.


Not for me. I paragonized her. Image IPB

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 08:37

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Malcolm Theory wrote...

TheTrac3r wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

I had more difficulty with it when she spoke her peace about Cerberus. That she didn't like aliens, but Cerberus was extremist. It seemed like a flat interpretation of her character.

The following e-mail was quite well done, though.


See, the one got to me, too.

In ME1, she was NOT alien friendly.  She repeatedly, if she was on your team during the final mission, insisted that human lives could not be sacrificed to save the council, etc.  Contrast her with...Jacob, lets say.  Former alliance soldier, like you.  Accomplished career (he saved the Citadel too, in some big mission).  Not unheroic in any way.  He joined Cerberus just fine.  AS did Chakwas (that was a huge credibility boost for me, the ol' Doc coming around).  But no, Cerberus isn't good enough for "holier than thou" Williams, lol.  And she BEGAN with the closest ideology TO Cerberus, but despite "greater" people compromising and working towards goals (You, Garrus, etc), she gets all mighty on you.

Inconsistent? Yes.


Not for me. I paragonized her. Image IPB


She still says she's "no fan of aliens".
I romanced her in ME1. Then I ditched her for Tali. ME3 should have a fun confrontation.

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 08:43

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Garlador wrote...

Malcolm Theory wrote...

Not for me. I paragonized her. Image IPB


She still says she's "no fan of aliens".
I romanced her in ME1. Then I ditched her for Tali. ME3 should have a fun confrontation.


You just had to bring that up? Stupid inconsistencies. Image IPB 

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 08:52

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Malcolm Theory wrote...

Garlador wrote...

Malcolm Theory wrote...

Not for me. I paragonized her. Image IPB


She still says she's "no fan of aliens".
I romanced her in ME1. Then I ditched her for Tali. ME3 should have a fun confrontation.


You just had to bring that up? Stupid inconsistencies. Image IPB 


Inconsistent? Nah brah, that's just being a total playe.....oh, you mean the alien thing...right

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 09:30

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The only problem is that there wasn't a renegade interrupt to shoot Delan. That guys attitude really rubbed me the wrong way.

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RighteousRage
Posté 20 février 2010 - 09:32

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This is why I just let Ashley die

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 09:36

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this instantly popped in my head when i read it, i was thinking, did you lose faith in god ash, cause i havent

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 09:57

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Alocormin wrote...

I had more difficulty with it when she spoke her peace about Cerberus. That she didn't like aliens, but Cerberus was extremist. It seemed like a flat interpretation of her character.

The following e-mail was quite well done, though.


Yeah, it definately was a pot/kettle moment for me. And the email was so 'Dear John' to me, I thought right, sensational, I've been chucked by email. I'm going to the engine room to flirt like crazy.

Didn't really convince me to remain faithful ;)

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 10:04

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She's dead Jim.



Kidding aside, ( although she is dead in almost every one of my games, poetry on MY ship? I THINK NOT ) the term is often applied to people who have done extraordinary/amazing/impossible things, or also to people who are at the top of their field, and while this is a rarely used term by extremely religious folks, we have no idea how Shepards death, and the fact a gigantic alien death civilization is coming to nom its way through the universe has affected Ashleys view on a big happy man in the sky watching over us all.

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 10:10

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I think her referring to Shep as ''a god'' is a reference to the poetry she used to quote and even quotes in the email (i believe). There's a line in the poem about walking with gods.



That's the way I took it.



Then again I tend to read between the lines unlike the OP.

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 10:18

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Wished I sacrificed Ash instead of my buddy Kaidan after hearing that line in-game.

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 10:20

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She was clearly refering to Shephards ability to do the "imposiable"!

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Posté 20 février 2010 - 10:28

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eternalnightmare13 wrote...

I think her referring to Shep as ''a god'' is a reference to the poetry she used to quote and even quotes in the email (i believe). There's a line in the poem about walking with gods.

That's the way I took it.


The poem Ulysses was inspired by the greek hero Ulysses, hence the "not unbecoming of men that strove with gods" line.

"You're standing in the presence of a god Delan.' Has absolutely nothing to do with Ulysses, or poetry.


eternalnightmare13 wrote...

Then again I tend to read between the lines unlike the OP.


Was there anyway you could've stated your opinion without insulting my intelligence? Or is that outside your grasp of etiquette?

Modifié par Malcolm Theory, 20 février 2010 - 10:32 .

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Posté 21 février 2010 - 12:48

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Posté 21 février 2010 - 02:06

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monkeycamoran wrote...

Malcolm Theory wrote...


(Cough.) 

 There's more than one use for the word liberal. I didn't mean it politically.


a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
c. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.


 :mellow:

Psst. I know you didn't use the word politically. Conservatively in a sense that she's devoted enough not to use "God" lightly in the context. Well, honestly I find it unusual you even noticed it. Casually, non-religious people don't use the term "god" to refer to people in most cases as it leads to exaggeration. To be honest, I never found Ash to be devout like that, spiritual definitely especially coming as a soldier or an Eden Prime survivor. But, frank also.


1) Sorry for the misunderstanding. Image IPB

2) I consider myself to be a very casual religious person (I'm borderline agnostic), and I'd never use the word "god" that loosley. So it completely caught me off guard that she would use it like that. And for reasons I'm too lazy to repeat for the sixth time, the entire line felt wrong. Image IPB

Modifié par Malcolm Theory, 21 février 2010 - 02:09 .

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Posté 21 février 2010 - 02:14

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that line really didn't bother me at all. All I did was raise an eyebrow



I just though she was being dramatic *shrug*
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