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[InvaderErl]

And for the geniuses that are saying "Oh well I can control Morinth?" Huh?



Morinth has OUTWITTED Samara. Nihilius outsmarted her as well. You just traded one foe for a more clever one.



Good going, hero.

[cronshaw8]

InvaderErl wrote...
And for the geniuses that are saying "Oh well I can control Morinth?" Huh?
Morinth has OUTWITTED Samara. Nihilius outsmarted her as well. You just traded one foe for a more clever one.
Good going, hero.

yeah i think some people are letting their dislike of samara bilnd them to the realities of morinth. She is the type of "person" who would betray everyone on the normandy to the reapers if it helped her out. She is Cypher from the matrix.

Modifié par cronshaw8, 21 février 2010 - 02:24 .

[InvaderErl]

People like flattery and Morinth lays it on thick. Its scary how many people have brought into it.

[AntiChri5]

InvaderErl wrote...

People like flattery and Morinth lays it on thick. Its scary how many people have brought into it.

This. I loved watching the Morinth fatal love scene on Youtube because of this.

Morinth: "yes i know that everyone says that Ardat Yakshi are clever predators that deceive their prey and always kill them but you would survive! Honest! "

StupidShep: "Alrighty then lets go!"

[InvaderErl]

Bioware should have made it so that THAT overwrote your end save and ME3 would treat it like if you got everybody killed.



I wonder then how many people would still like Morinth.

[InvaderErl]

So good it posted it twice.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 21 février 2010 - 02:39 .

[Your Synthetic Superior]

cronshaw8 wrote...

Morinth is a sociopath and bitter enough that she could think "the genetic destiny" of the asari meant extinction. In other words ardat-yakshi are the last step. Asari should breed only with asari, producing more and more ardat-yakshi until only ardat-yakshi are left. Why should she care if the asari live on as a race after she dies, they tried to imprison her and have kept her on the run for 400 years.

Interesting point. The genetic destiny of the asari, if they never left their homeworld = extinction. That is why they dislike the asari who breed within their own species.

[Your Synthetic Superior]

InvaderErl wrote...

And for the geniuses that are saying "Oh well I can control Morinth?" Huh?

Morinth has OUTWITTED Samara. Nihilius outsmarted her as well. You just traded one foe for a more clever one.

Good going, hero.

I think the ending if you pick Morinth is her dominating the crew over time so that after the final mission she sends them all after you and you are forced to kill them to survive. Then when you are beaten and tired out from killing your crew she mind rapes you and the game erases all your saved data and starts you from stratch.

On another note, why don't Ardat-Yakshi go for krogan. Seems like they would have a good chance of surviving something that attacks the nervous system. They have a backup.

[DRACO1130]

this depends on whether or not you were 'under morinths sway - as a renegade tech I hadn't the skills to resist the whole " you would kill & die for me black eyed coercion) as paragon soldier i did but the fact remains that the confrontation between mother & daughter had been brewing for 400 years, in ALL that time she(the daughter) had NEVER found a human who could resist her AND she had ALWAYS run from mommy dearest - so in her terror at the thought of M other finally killing her, it seems to make sense that she would try to suborn the puny weak human to help her, either to defeat mommy or escape yet again - In context it makes sense

[Kajan451]

Adon 9 wrote...

Not true, actually.  The codex entry on Ardat-Yakshi also states that they are sterile, and that entry appears before you make your choice.  I can't blame people for missing that, but it's not JUST Samara's word on it that Ardat-Yakshi are sterile.

Well i never read a single codex entry in ME2. And if that one appears in the Codex.. then i certainly blame it on Bioware for screwing it up.

Samara talks about how they are a big Asari secret... so there shouldn't be a dictionary entry about them stating stuff which is revealed at a later point after you gained the trust of an Asari. It can hardly be a secret if anyone with a codex does have access to it.

Anyway... i don't consider Codex Entries to be Ingame Knowledge but Metagame explainations for the player.

[Schroing]

Yeah, it's been said. If you're renegade, you do it to remove a problem that will definitely happen before it does in exchange for something you're uncertain about.

[Sphynx118]

Schroing wrote...

Yeah, it's been said. If you're renegade, you do it to remove a problem that will definitely happen before it does in exchange for something you're uncertain about.

This

[Acero Azul]

i just want to pick her once to get the dominate power

[MutantSpleen]

Recruiting Morinth is no crazier than breaking the biotic mass murderer know as Jack from high security prison. I love how people vilify Morinth but Jack is somehow ok. Jack has probably killed more people in her short life than Morinth has over 400 years.

[newcomplex]

Seriously, if the friend responsible for every single good thing that happened to you (recruitment from spectres from a underapprciated private treated as ****), and mentored you for several years, he shows up in a hostile combat situation saying hes here to help, even if he has a funny arm, your going to trust him.

[flem1]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Recruiting Morinth is no crazier than breaking the biotic mass murderer know as Jack from high security prison. I love how people vilify Morinth but Jack is somehow ok. Jack has probably killed more people in her short life than Morinth has over 400 years.

To get Jack, you fight your way out of a galactic extortion racket where they torture prisoners and *try to capture you to sell to the Collectors*.

To get Morinth, you screw over the mom of her latest innocent victim, listen to her brag about her kills, and betray & kill the Asari lawman hunting her down (who's already sworn to serve you).

Yeah, that's no different. 

(In fact, Bio set up her recruitment scenario to make taking Jack as sympathetic as possible.  Just like they set up the Archangel scenario as hugely and seemingly wastefully bloody -- if it didn't turn out to be your old friend Garrus.)

Modifié par flem1, 21 février 2010 - 05:15 .

[cdzander]

Because I'm on my 3rd playthrough, and I've already helped drop her out a window twice. Gotta mix up your choices to keep the game interesting. If you don't like her, don't spare her. This is a video game, you know. You can play any way you want to.

[BlackFox26]

I hope it works out in the end

[MutantSpleen]

flem1 wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

Recruiting Morinth is no crazier than breaking the biotic mass murderer know as Jack from high security prison. I love how people vilify Morinth but Jack is somehow ok. Jack has probably killed more people in her short life than Morinth has over 400 years.

To get Jack, you fight your way out of a galactic extortion racket where they torture prisoners and *try to capture you to sell to the Collectors*.

To get Morinth, you screw over the mom of her latest innocent victim, listen to her brag about her kills, and kill the Asari lawman hunting her down.

Yeah, that's no different. 

(In fact, Bio set up her recruitment scenario to make taking Jack as sympathetic as possible.  Just like they set up the Archangel scenario as hugely and seemingly wastefully bloody -- if it didn't turn out to be your old friend Garrus.)

Well, that really wasn't the point. The point is Jack is just as much a muderer as Morinth. Second how many innocent guards died in that ship? Yeah they were blue suns Mercs, but on the other hand they were locking up a lot of violent criminals. Even Garrus wasn't happy about all the guards dying when you cause the prison break. 

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 21 février 2010 - 05:25 .

[Kolaris8472]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Recruiting Morinth is no crazier than breaking the biotic mass murderer know as Jack from high security prison. I love how people vilify Morinth but Jack is somehow ok. Jack has probably killed more people in her short life than Morinth has over 400 years.

Of her "victims" we learn next to nothing. Over the course of the game, she wants to kill Cerberus, something Shephard did extensively through ME1. That's it. 

Morinth kills an innocent girl on Omega, an entire town, numerous Asari virgins, her Mother, Shephard...that's what we know of. 

[MutantSpleen]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

Recruiting Morinth is no crazier than breaking the biotic mass murderer know as Jack from high security prison. I love how people vilify Morinth but Jack is somehow ok. Jack has probably killed more people in her short life than Morinth has over 400 years.

Of her "victims" we learn next to nothing. Over the course of the game, she wants to kill Cerberus, something Shephard did extensively through ME1. That's it. 

Morinth kills an innocent girl on Omega, an entire town, numerous Asari virgins, her Mother, Shephard...that's what we know of. 

She blew up a freaking space station that crashed on a planet! (something like that) I believe that's how she got her vandalism charge.  Wiped out a cult, maybe more than one. Please she has killed hordes of people.  Don't be naive and think Jack has only killed "bad guys", that's as bad as saying Thane never assassinated an innocent.

Bioware purposely left the details fuzzy on those characters crimes to build sympathy for them, versus showing the most horrific acts of Morinth.

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 21 février 2010 - 05:50 .

[Schroing]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

Recruiting Morinth is no crazier than breaking the biotic mass murderer know as Jack from high security prison. I love how people vilify Morinth but Jack is somehow ok. Jack has probably killed more people in her short life than Morinth has over 400 years.

Of her "victims" we learn next to nothing. Over the course of the game, she wants to kill Cerberus, something Shephard did extensively through ME1. That's it. 

Morinth kills an innocent girl on Omega, an entire town, numerous Asari virgins, her Mother, Shephard...that's what we know of. 

She blew up a freaking space station that crashed on a planet! (something like that) I believe that's how she got her vandalism charge.  Wiped out a cult, maybe more than one. Please she has killed hordes of people.  Don't be naive and think Jack has only killed "bad guys", that's as bad as saying Thane never assassinated an innocent.

Bioware purposely left the details fuzzy on those characters crimes to build sympathy for them, versus showing the most horrific acts of Morinth.

Not to mention who knows how many innocent children who'd spent the last couple of years being tortured mercilessly on her way out of that facility.

[Kolaris8472]

MutantSpleen wrote...
Bioware purposely left the details fuzzy on those characters crimes to build sympathy for them, versus showing the most horrific acts of Morinth.

Ok....and?

You're going to see through BioWare's clever ruse and believe that Morinth is a misunderstood child that needs an understanding figure like Shephard? 

I believe what they show us in-game is representative of what happens off-screen. To think otherwise, you end up second-guessing the characters (ho, irony if you've followed my posts elsewhere) and making your own versions, contrary to what BW shows us. 

As for the space station, Jack ends up charged with Vandalism. Not mass murder, as far as we know. Yeah, she's a psychopath, and Thane's an assassin. Both have reasons for doing what they do beyond "the pleasure of the kill". 

[Kajan451]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

As for the space station, Jack ends up charged with Vandalism. Not mass murder, as far as we know. Yeah, she's a psychopath, and Thane's an assassin. Both have reasons for doing what they do beyond "the pleasure of the kill". 

Jack is charged for more than Vandalisem for that gig. Vandalisem is a charged laid on her because she dented the moon where she crashed the Station into. Thats what they called Vanadlisem for creating a new creater on a moon. Highjacking of the Space Station and stuff are different charges Jack mentions.

And we never saw any official charges against her, only what she tells you. So there might be multiple homocides on that list... she just never said she was charged with massmurder.

Morinth isn't any worse as Miranda. Bioengineered Aryan working for Al Queda Cerberus. Really... these double standards really suck. The whole game is full of psychopaths, massmurderers and racists. You work for an Organisation which did worse experiments on people as Josef Mengele in 2nd Worldwar. (And yes, as German i am partally offended by the way Miranda is portrait - which is a reason why i dislike that character)

One more Killer, who... unlike all the others has a real reason to murder (its in her genes) and torture people... isn't really such an unappealing decision to make. You made worse decisions by working with Cerberus, by keeping Miranda and Jack around, by breaking free a huge load of criminals, criminals whole planets pay for to have them locked away on a space station, and maybe by not destroying the Genophage cure... or whatever.

[tonnactus]

Drayvenn wrote...

I agree. I could not think of reason why even renegade Shepard would allow Morinth to live. Only real plot hole that bothered me in the game.

Bigger potential.She is as strong as her mother in such young years.
The gameplay doesnt play a role,only the cutscene,where both are equal.

Modifié par tonnactus, 21 février 2010 - 08:55 .