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[YR_Lim]

topic.

[stillnotking]

Well, you know she is a murderer because she's wearing the Eclipse uniform.  You don't know she is the murderer who killed Pitne For's partner until later in the mission though.

[Gabey5]

hmm nope. its one of those

"good thing i killed her"

or

"goddammit i got played"

moments

[Daerog]

I usually play Paragon, but that was one of the best Renegade interupts in game.

[Kahlmulandr]

no the best is still by far the Weyrloc Clanspeaker interrupt.....followed by express way down merc....THEN killing Elnora

[YR_Lim]

I mean you get to hear the message that she recorded, could you listen to the message first before confronting her?

[luk3us]

Hopefully we met her again in ME3, and this time get to shoot her.



Or just let her go, that seems to be the rage these days.

[Bigdoser]

but dont u still get her either way if u give the evidence to the detective?

[the_devils_aid]

YR_Lim wrote...

I mean you get to hear the message that she recorded, could you listen to the message first before confronting her?

if you pass her to listen to the message, when you go back she isnt there

[Locke72]

I actually tried that on my second playthrough. Unfortunately, if you ignore her room and go back after hearing the message, she is nowhere to be found. So its either gun her down renegade-style cause she's a lying-b**ch, or take the paragon route and be fooled into letting her go.

[YR_Lim]

I find it hard to shoot someone without evidence  . But is there proof that they need to kill before getting initiated?

[Pauravi]

Locke72 wrote...

I actually tried that on my second playthrough. Unfortunately, if you ignore her room and go back after hearing the message, she is nowhere to be found. So its either gun her down renegade-style cause she's a lying-b**ch, or take the paragon route and be fooled into letting her go.

Bummer, but it makes sense.  You can hear her in there, just praying that you pass her by.  She would make a break for it if you didn't go in there.  I personally played it Paragon the first time, and I still do on my subsequent playthroughs only because that's what I would do if I didn't have metagaming information.

[Draconis6666]

You have evidence, its stated that all eclipse sisters have to commit a murder to get their uniform, she has a uniform. You dont have evidence that she is THE murderer but you hae evidence that she is A murderer which is enough to kill her imo

[Kahlmulandr]

YR_Lim wrote...

I find it hard to shoot someone without evidence  . But is there proof that they need to kill before getting initiated?

Most info you get on this before going in is Pitne For telling you that they have to murder someone to get their uniform. It's up to you to take his word or not.

[SarEnyaDor]

edited because the answer is in the post above mine LOL

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 20 février 2010 - 08:07 .

[Nallski]

If you have Zaeed with you on this mission you also get a comment from him saying "you're wearing an Eclipse uniform, that's good enough. Shoot her." In case you had forgotten Pitne For's comment that all eclipse mercs have to murder to get their colors, like I did my first play through.

[Jalem001]

Bummer, but it makes sense.  You can hear her in there, just praying that you pass her by.  She would make a break for it if you didn't go in there.  I personally played it Paragon the first time, and I still do on my subsequent playthroughs only because that's what I would do if I didn't have metagaming information.

Nothing metagaming about it.  She tries to pull her gun on you.  You shoot her.  Thats just smart.

[dissonance-zaon]

I'm mostly Paragon with some Renegade tossed in here and there. With Elnora, I was already applying the knowledge of her uniform into question. Then she decided to pull out her gun anyway and I instinctively hit that Renegade interrupt... You just don't pull a gun on someone when you've already surrendered.

[Massadonious1]

Kahlmulandr wrote...

YR_Lim wrote...

I find it hard to shoot someone without evidence  . But is there proof that they need to kill before getting initiated?

Most info you get on this before going in is Pitne For telling you that they have to murder someone to get their uniform. It's up to you to take his word or not.

He is a criminal himself, but I don't see any logical reason on why he would lie to you about something like that. His life isn't any more in danger because he revealed Eclipse recruting requirements. He's already being targeted for selling them toxic substances.

[Dark Glasses]

Draconis6666 wrote...

You have evidence, its stated that all eclipse sisters have to commit a murder to get their uniform, she has a uniform. You dont have evidence that she is THE murderer but you hae evidence that she is A murderer which is enough to kill her imo

This is why I keep killing her.

[yummysoap]

It's really bizarre how she pulls her gun on you, but then you continue
having the conversation as if nothing happened. Still, there's nothing
'paragon' about not shooting someone who tries pulling
a gun on you, knowing that their only intent is to shoot you.

Interrupt should've been to disarm and question her using Shep's monster reflexes, or to let her take a shot (as is the case already with the interrupt) and then have your team gun her down.

Modifié par yummysoap, 20 février 2010 - 08:23 .

[Default137]

Its stated the Asari of that particular group have to kill before being accepted, considering she is obviously accepted by that time, its fairly obvious she has killed SOMEONE before that point.



There is also the fact she pulls a gun on you....

[Adon 9]

Pretty much what the others have said. Even if she hadn't committed that particular murder, in order to be Eclipse she had to have murdered someone. And her pulling a gun on you after surrendering isn't a sign of good faith. This is a good example of how a Renegade interrupt should be, IMO... not being a jerk for no reason, but ruthless and putting pragmatism over mercy.



All told, Elnora is an interesting character, for all that she appears briefly. When you first encounter her, she's talking to herself... clearly realizing she's in way over her head and 'humanizing' someone who would otherwise be disposable mook #1547. But at the same time, it doesn't make her sympathetic. Yeah, she's scared, yeah she doesn't want to die and yeah she knows she's in over her head. But she killed to get into Eclipse, that recording later makes it clear she feels no guilt whatsoever about the murder she committed, and she's fully prepared to try to shoot you given a chance. So in the end, if she gets shot... well, it's her own choices that put her there. If you let her go? Who knows? She doesn't come off as particularly deep and seems likely to shrug off Shepard's mercy as stupidity. Or she could turn herself around a la Helena Blake, realizing that life and death isn't fun and games when it's YOUR life and death involved. It would be interesting to see this revisited in ME3.

[SarEnyaDor]

Speaking of Helena Blake, I was fully expecting to see that bite me in the arse in ME2, but nope.

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 20 février 2010 - 08:48 .

[T0paze]

No, there's no way to tell that.



Also, in the Mass Effect universe, pulling a gun is not an immediate lethal threat, since most characters are protected by shields, so one shot wouldn't do much. If you remember, Lizbeth actually fired at Shepard on Feros in ME1. So, shooting someone who pulls a gun on you is not supposed to be a knee-jerk reaction in the future, unlike today.