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[Maria Caliban]

By the time I read the log, I'd forgotten her name so I wasn't sure if it was the gal I'd let go or another random asari.

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Speaking of Helena Blake, I was fully expecting to see that bite me in the arse in ME2, but nope.

Did anything bite you in the ass in ME 2?

Outside of the romances, that is.

[ReubenLiew]

The romance wasn't even that affecting to your overall gameplay anyway.

[SarEnyaDor]

No, not really - unless emails are a big deal to you.... Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed ME2 (especially the cryo ammo and the subsequent shattering of people), but I still like playing ME1 way better.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Course the only thing IMHO that could have Paragon's taking Elnora's word for it, is that she makes the comment that she 'pretended' to fire. Only issue with that is, somehow I think one of the other mercs would've verified it before she got her suit, so for once it would be paragon stupid rather than renegade stupid

[Pauravi]

Jalem001 wrote...

Bummer, but it makes sense.  You can hear her in there, just praying that you pass her by.  She would make a break for it if you didn't go in there.  I personally played it Paragon the first time, and I still do on my subsequent playthroughs only because that's what I would do if I didn't have metagaming information.

Nothing metagaming about it.  She tries to pull her gun on you.  You shoot her.  Thats just smart.

Well, shooting her because you know she is the murderer is metagaming.
Shooting her beacuse she pulls her gun isn't, and I agree that the Renegade option is perfectly reasonable.  I just look at it like, she is nervous and there are 3 of me and one of her.  There is no way she is going to be able to hurt me before we drop her if she does fire, and if she doesn't shoot at me I am content to let her go and maybe leave the merc scene.  This turns out to be the wrong choice, but it was the one I would have made (and did the first time around) if I didn't know beforehand.

[DarthCaine]

One thing I've learned from ME2 is that if you let someone live they'll appear in the sequel (and that's the only way you'll get a consequence for that action), if you don't there'll be no mention of her

[AndroLeonidas]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Speaking of Helena Blake, I was fully expecting to see that bite me in the arse in ME2, but nope.

She's on Omega in the lower portion. But only if you do her quest in ME1 and then let her go.

[medlish]

I let the police handle her.

[Torguemada]

Pauravi wrote...
Well, shooting her because you know she is the murderer is metagaming.
Shooting her beacuse she pulls her gun isn't, and I agree that the Renegade option is perfectly reasonable.  I just look at it like, she is nervous and there are 3 of me and one of her.  There is no way she is going to be able to hurt me before we drop her if she does fire, and if she doesn't shoot at me I am content to let her go and maybe leave the merc scene.  This turns out to be the wrong choice, but it was the one I would have made (and did the first time around) if I didn't know beforehand.

No you no thats she's a murderer, becouse she's wearing esclipce uniform, so nothing metagamy about shooting her on that basis.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Use the thing you hear at the start

The sisters have to murder once to join.

[Asheer_Khan]

"Shot first - Ask questions later".



And since Samara doesn't have any objections to kill one of them just because she refuses to reveal name of that freighter why should i have any?



So next time when we meet on Illum (and we will meet pretty soon)...

[Methany]

T0paze wrote...

No, there's no way to tell that.

Also, in the Mass Effect universe, pulling a gun is not an immediate lethal threat, since most characters are protected by shields, so one shot wouldn't do much. If you remember, Lizbeth actually fired at Shepard on Feros in ME1. So, shooting someone who pulls a gun on you is not supposed to be a knee-jerk reaction in the future, unlike today.

That. Also, I'm not entirely sure whether they have to murder just to sign up with eclipse, or if it happens at the end of their training as initiates, as some kind of oficialization ritual. I'm more inclined to believe it's the latter, and so, it's not entirely clear if Elnora has already comitted the murder as of the moment you encounter her.
Additionally,I do not think  the evidence that a criminal organization allegedly requires murder for joining is not by itself enough to convict any individual member of murder. It's a very strong evidence, yes, but not a proof.
I also like to let her go hoping her story may continue in ME3.

[Gill Kaiser]

Pauravi wrote...

Locke72 wrote...

I actually tried that on my second playthrough. Unfortunately, if you ignore her room and go back after hearing the message, she is nowhere to be found. So its either gun her down renegade-style cause she's a lying-b**ch, or take the paragon route and be fooled into letting her go.

Bummer, but it makes sense.  You can hear her in there, just praying that you pass her by.  She would make a break for it if you didn't go in there.  I personally played it Paragon the first time, and I still do on my subsequent playthroughs only because that's what I would do if I didn't have metagaming information.

Ditto.

[Gill Kaiser]

Methany wrote...

T0paze wrote...

No, there's no way to tell that.

Also, in the Mass Effect universe, pulling a gun is not an immediate lethal threat, since most characters are protected by shields, so one shot wouldn't do much. If you remember, Lizbeth actually fired at Shepard on Feros in ME1. So, shooting someone who pulls a gun on you is not supposed to be a knee-jerk reaction in the future, unlike today.

That. Also, I'm not entirely sure whether they have to murder just to sign up with eclipse, or if it happens at the end of their training as initiates, as some kind of oficialization ritual. I'm more inclined to believe it's the latter, and so, it's not entirely clear if Elnora has already comitted the murder as of the moment you encounter her.
Additionally,I do not think  the evidence that a criminal organization allegedly requires murder for joining is not by itself enough to convict any individual member of murder. It's a very strong evidence, yes, but not a proof.
I also like to let her go hoping her story may continue in ME3.

It's repeatedly said that the Eclipse Sisters don't get given their armour until they commit murder. Elnora has her armour, so she is a murderer. Unfortunately, despite knowing that, on my first playthrough I still let her go because I was totally taken in by her innocence act, so much so that I forgot what Pitne For had told me until afterwards.

[aaniadyen]

Jalem001 wrote...

Bummer, but it makes sense.  You can hear her in there, just praying that you pass her by.  She would make a break for it if you didn't go in there.  I personally played it Paragon the first time, and I still do on my subsequent playthroughs only because that's what I would do if I didn't have metagaming information.

Nothing metagaming about it.  She tries to pull her gun on you.  You shoot her.  Thats just smart.

"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk."

Modifié par aaniadyen, 20 février 2010 - 12:05 .

[mundus66]

If you don't kill her you actually find out that Morinth is a Ardat Yakshi before Samara tells you. My main paragon Shepard is the good guy so to speak. So i always let people that beg for their life go. I was tempted to hit the button, when she pulled a gun on me though.

[mundus66]

double post

Modifié par mundus66, 20 février 2010 - 12:08 .

[The Capital Gaultier]

 She's an Eclipse merc.  Eclipse mercs become as they are by committing a murder.

Plus, she pulls a gun on you.

[Revya]

Draconis6666 wrote...

You have evidence, its stated that all eclipse sisters have to commit a murder to get their uniform, she has a uniform. You dont have evidence that she is THE murderer but you hae evidence that she is A murderer which is enough to kill her imo

That is why I killed her even as a Paragon.

[didymos1120]

Also, look at the actual Eclipse initiates you fight there: they don't have the armor she does. She's got the full-member version. Therefore, she's a murderer.

[Looy]

Am I the only one that shot her because she drew her weapon, not out of suspicion?

[didymos1120]

T0paze wrote...

Also, in the Mass Effect universe, pulling a gun is not an immediate lethal threat, since most characters are protected by shields, so one shot wouldn't do much.

They are if you're up nice and close and personal.  Just ask Nihlus. Oh, right: you can't.  Also, just look at the shields/barriers when they recharge: they're not exactly form-hugging.  She could have easily killed at least one of the squad had she followed through.  Shep would know this.

[aaniadyen]

didymos1120 wrote...

T0paze wrote...

Also, in the Mass Effect universe, pulling a gun is not an immediate lethal threat, since most characters are protected by shields, so one shot wouldn't do much.

They are if you're up nice and close and personal.  Just ask Nihlus. Oh, right: you can't.  Also, just look at the shields/barriers when they recharge: they're not exactly form-hugging.  She could have easily killed at least one of the squad had she followed through.  Shep would know this.

If she charged to get inside the shield radius you'd have put so many holes in her just as a reflex.

[AntiChri5]

yummysoap wrote...

It's really bizarre how she pulls her gun on you, but then you continue
having the conversation as if nothing happened. Still, there's nothing
'paragon' about not shooting someone who tries pulling
a gun on you, knowing that their only intent is to shoot you.

Interrupt should've been to disarm and question her using Shep's monster reflexes, or to let her take a shot (as is the case already with the interrupt) and then have your team gun her down.

This. We are negotiating her surrender and she pulls a gun on me.

"Oh no! You shot someone who was pointing a gun at you! You are sooooooo ruthless!"

[Methany]

It's repeatedly said that the Eclipse Sisters don't get given their armour until they commit murder. Elnora has her armour, so she is a murderer. Unfortunately, despite knowing that, on my first playthrough I still let her go because I was totally taken in by her innocence act, so much so that I forgot what Pitne For had told me until afterwards.

Ok I think I remember seeing mention on that. But I stand by my point. There's not nearly enough evidence to trial and unilateraly convict her to death by firing squad by the time you meet her.

I didn't like to let her go either, I think there should be an option to just immobilize her till the cops arrive. But with the options given, I believe the most correct, even if not the best, is to let her go. Oh well.