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[Nihaola]

k im tired of playing on low settings lol, so i wanna get a new graphics card. so i dont know anything abt them and was wondering which 1 would work best with this game and future games and would last me for awhile and give me good FPS . Oh and it has to be Nvidia.
Also, do they sell them at bestbuy? lol plz and ty

Modifié par Nihaola, 20 février 2010 - 03:53 .

[Gorath Alpha]

1. Avoid Best Buy. They overcharge about 40%

2. For video cards, look to online eTailers such as Newegg (there are several other good places, I just have had good service from Newegg and keep on going back for more).

3. There are several references published here on the DA: O forums, and the video card one is the senior member of the set:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/58/index/128343

Gorath

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 20 février 2010 - 07:09 .

[Nihaola]

whats the differnce between Nvidia Geforce GTX275 - 280 - 285 and 295 ?

[Gorath Alpha]

In this game, just their cost, I think, which is why I lumped all together the way most developers seem to like to do.. Almost any card from the top dozen is pretty much a case of overkill in Dragon Age, assuming you don't have driver problems (the 8800s and 8600s seem to have tons of that in this game).

[Nihaola]

oh fudge wait, okay now this is sumthing to think about . okay so i looked at the ATi cars and they have 

XFX - ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express Graphics Card
Model: HD-577A-ZNF | SKU: 9715752
1GB GDDR5 memory; PCI Express 2.0 interface; HDMI output; 850MHz clock speed; 128-bit memory
and the other 1 is


PNY - NVIDIA GeForce XLR8 GTX 260 896MB DDR3 PCI Express Graphics Card
Model: VCGGTX260CX | SKU: 9262424
896MB DDR3 memory; PCI Express x16 interface; 1 HDTV and 2 dual-link DVI-I outputs; Forceware drivers




so which 1 should i get and there both at the same price !

Modifié par Nihaola, 20 février 2010 - 04:34 .

[Gorath Alpha]

Those two are quite closely matched on performance, but the radeon is a Dx11 card, while the Geforce is still Dx10, so if you are a Windows 7 user, or expect to be, it has some advantage there.

[Nihaola]

so can the Radeon 1 be used with only Dx11 and windows 7 ? or could it still be used on vista and dx10?

Modifié par Nihaola, 20 février 2010 - 06:04 .

[Gorath Alpha]

Don't get excited. It works the other way. Both cards you asked about can handle Windows XP, Vista, and Win7, as well as Dx6, Dx7, Dx8, Dx9, and Dx10, and, of course the really old Direct3D function calls as well. But only the Radeon can take the step up to Dx11.

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 20 février 2010 - 07:01 .

[Nihaola]

wow ty so much, your rlly smart with graphics cards. Again ty ! and ive decided to go with the radeon 1 .

[Nihaola]

oh fudge hmmm, my computer has a built in Nvidia graphics card so would the SLi system work with the radeon card?
 
Would the Nvidia card inside my computer effect my Radeon card in any way?

Whats SLI technology and would it be better to run 2 Nvidia Cards rather then just the radeon card?

srry for the questions i just wanna be sure wut i rlly want lol and im a noob to this stuff D:.

[Gorath Alpha]

(No matter the date stamp, this is the newer of two similar answers.  I use a LAN to connect to the 'Net, and my main system in this room was having trouble when I wrote the "first" answer that ended up not being sent for half an hour, while I went in another room and used a different PC, on which I then wrote the answer here.  Now, I'm back with th eoriginal, and the first thing that happened when I came back was the reply following this one finally was sent!)

Don't worry, you can use any real video card at all.  What is in the PC is only an onboard chip, and what it does with a Low Quality (Business Grade) video card doesn't amount to enough improvement to play games.  They refer to it as a type of "SLI", but compared to the real thing, it's a mere shadow. 

When you have deep pockets, and are very anxious to have the absolute best possible game play, you buy two of the most powerful, most expensive video cards ($400 each and up), and they share the chores, creating a result close to 50% better than with one alone (but certainly not equal to doubling the performance of just one.  I say, the top cards, because at less perfoprmance levels, the built-in overhead is such that single cards at the next higher performance level are better {two Mainline Gaming Cards in Crossfire (Radeons) or in SLI cannot equal one High End card}.

Gorath
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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 21 février 2010 - 01:04 .

[Gorath Alpha]

Nihaola wrote...

oh fudge hmmm, my computer has a built in Nvidia graphics card so would the SLi system work with the radeon card?

It isn't quite what the term usually means, when half of what's in it is nothing more than an onboard chip, which is what I would anticipate you will find by running the diagnotics / inventorying functions on the PC Hardware Basics page.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/58/index/509580
 

Would the Nvidia card inside my computer effect my Radeon card in any way?

Whats SLI technology and would it be better to run 2 Nvidia Cards rather then just the radeon card?

srry for the questions i just wanna be sure wut i rlly want lol and im a noob to this stuff D:.

When you are very anxious to have the absolute best possible video system, you buy two cards exactly the same and connect them so that they split the chores between them, which adds about a 40% performance boost over what the single card can do by itself.  It is called Crossfire for two Radeons, and SLI for two Geforces. 

Onboard video chips are the lowest grade video that there is (with Sis / S3 / Intel sharing the sub-basement), and no, they don't create conflicts between either an onboard Geforce and an actual Radeon video card, or vice versa.  

Gorath
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[Briiel]

I would like to jump in here and say that Nvidia cards are a lil more forgiving with Win7,I just got a new card an ATI and it refused to work with Win7. It was a ATI 5770 .My friend and I tried everything to get it working with win7 ,the forums,the downloads,the drivers. Nothing. I got a Nvidia GTS250 and it runs like a champ. No problems

[Dragon Age1103]

Nihaola wrote...

k im tired of playing on low settings lol, so i wanna get a new graphics card. so i dont know anything abt them and was wondering which 1 would work best with this game and future games and would last me for awhile and give me good FPS . Oh and it has to be Nvidia.
Also, do they sell them at bestbuy? lol plz and ty

  Well it depends a lot on your system specs but if you go with nvidia you'll be wasting your money. Right now nvidia is far behind the curve, you'll be buying over priced out dated hardware. ATI is the only one of the two offering DX11 cards. a 5750 or 5770 will keep you under $180 on newegg.com
  Best Buy sells them but very over priced. i've built a lot of rigs & used to work at best buy you'll pay way too much there a minimum of $30 extra dollars.  It would still help to know the specs of your rig CPU, mobo, RAM, PSU, & OS???

 hope that helps!!


also if you have Vista i think you said you can DL a patch to run DX11 on it.

Modifié par Dragon Age1103, 22 février 2010 - 09:54 .

[Dragon Age1103]

Briiel wrote...

I would like to jump in here and say that Nvidia cards are a lil more forgiving with Win7,I just got a new card an ATI and it refused to work with Win7. It was a ATI 5770 .My friend and I tried everything to get it working with win7 ,the forums,the downloads,the drivers. Nothing. I got a Nvidia GTS250 and it runs like a champ. No problems

  it's probably a user error no offense. I ran 9.8, 9.12, 10.1 & now 10.2 on my 5770 on windows 7 64-bit all run smoothly. Did you use a driver sweeper if you had a nvidia card before? older drivers sometimes need to be removed in safe mode with a driver sweeper so they don't cause conflicts.

[Briiel]

so your saying that a person who does computer programming for a living like my friend is having user error?? Why would Nvidia drivers need to be uninstalled ?? It was a brand spankin new computer shipped right from NewEgg.We put the the parts together,installed necessary components. Went to to put my games on the computer got them installed. EVERY Game did Black Screen but you could hear the games. We tried everything,there driver updates even the newest patches that came out 3 days ago.We even tried suggested tweaks and stuff told about on forums from several reliable places.When we couldn't figure it out. We went to my father who worked for gateway(when they had decent computer systems) and retired tech from the airforce. I DOUBT I was having user error.So before you spout read up on the ATI forums.Like I did .



Anyhoo I was warning Nihaola about possible glitches. Both ATI and Nvidia have good graphics cards.I have good success with both on older systems. Your system might be a lil older than mine as I don't know your specs.

[Gorath Alpha]

Nihaola wrote...

wow ty so much, your rlly smart with graphics cards. Again ty ! and ive decided to go with the radeon 1 .

Mostly, I was "so ignorant" in that regard a few years ago, continuing to rely on one brand, until it cost me quite a heavy penalty in replacing unusable hardware in several systems, so I chose to educate myself much better and avoid having that sort of lies catch me again (I believed nVIDIA about their FXes -- big mistake). 

Generally speaking, in the current situation that applies between ATI's HD 4800s and HD 5800s versus the several Geforce 275-280-285-295 cards, the Radeons are better / faster than those they are priced with.  The Geforces aren't "bad" cards from not being Dx11 capable; it will be 3-4 years before that is a truly big factor to worry about.  

There are several "key level" cards that nVIDIA chooses to be price competitive on, but yes, their MSRP numbers are often too high to make them a good value.   However, right now, holding the high ground, the Radeons' High End cards sit way up above everything else pricewise, so that while they are very fast, everyone thinking about getting one right now has to consider the cost per frame per dollar and decide whether or not to wait for "Fermi" to come along at the end of March and cause some market adjustments. 

Gorath
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[Briiel]

Gorath,I would have to agree with you on that.There are many pros and cons to both cards. I have never had anything bad happen with either really until recently with the new ATI I just bought.While I am not a computer genius so to speak. Like you I learned about what I was buying. When I built my first rig my friend made me put it together . I am around enough "computer geeks" to know enough about them. They just know more tweaks than I.

Both Graphics cards in my opinion are good and from what I read on her earlier posts would be good for what she wants/needs.Not knowing her system,or being able to look at it I can't say run out and buy X.But like I said before if she is using Win7 there could be a glitch,tho NOT all the time.(my friend is now thinking i got a bad graphics card,which is also rare to get)

Nihaola ,listen to Gorath ,also learn about it to.Installing mine was an eye opener ,but it makes you appreciate your machine that much more.

[Dragon Age1103]

Briiel wrote...

so your saying that a person who does computer programming for a living like my friend is having user error?? Why would Nvidia drivers need to be uninstalled ?? It was a brand spankin new computer shipped right from NewEgg.We put the the parts together,installed necessary components. Went to to put my games on the computer got them installed. EVERY Game did Black Screen but you could hear the games. We tried everything,there driver updates even the newest patches that came out 3 days ago.We even tried suggested tweaks and stuff told about on forums from several reliable places.When we couldn't figure it out. We went to my father who worked for gateway(when they had decent computer systems) and retired tech from the airforce. I DOUBT I was having user error.So before you spout read up on the ATI forums.Like I did .

Anyhoo I was warning Nihaola about possible glitches. Both ATI and Nvidia have good graphics cards.I have good success with both on older systems. Your system might be a lil older than mine as I don't know your specs.

  if you know how to build a rig you should know how to correctly diagnose an issue. It was very likely a user error. Practice makes perfect though! I"ve seen 5770's on a few different level systems so it was you guys at fault or a bad card. only two options. RMA it don't give up & buy an outdated card just b/c you can't correctly diagnose a problem.

  good chance it was a bad card though considering ATI rushed the 5700 series when nvidia released samples to their vendors of their DX11 line so there were a few bad shipments of the 5700 series. I am yet to see one but easy to find. If you clear all old drivers, double check all connections, test different 6-pin connectors, & try multiple drivers very good chance your card is just a bad egg. Either way I am not one to give up on something i can't figure out & switch to the old that works. Hope you just RMA'd your card & get a new one so you don't play an old nvidia card in a new system.

Modifié par Dragon Age1103, 22 février 2010 - 04:54 .

[Briiel]

Ok are you having a problem diagnosing a BRAND NEW SYSTEM ??? There was no old drivers.We went thru EVERY possible solution.We tried everything. and if you look 3 days ago ATI released a patch for the ATI 5770 series.USER ERROR My eye.

[ShinsFortress]

A good starting point when looking at new cards is your budget. Work out what you can afford and thus what you're willing to spend on it first. THEN start shopping and asking around for advice...

[Briiel]

I agree ShinsFortress.NewEgg is a good spot to browse also. I love getting stuff for my computer

[Dragon Age1103]

Briiel wrote...

Ok are you having a problem diagnosing a BRAND NEW SYSTEM ??? There was no old drivers.We went thru EVERY possible solution.We tried everything. and if you look 3 days ago ATI released a patch for the ATI 5770 series.USER ERROR My eye.

  ATI released 10.2 drivers which were directed towards 5xxx series crossfire support. You OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T try EVERYTHING or you would of solved it & not had to of gone back to an old card. It takes time & patience but eventually through simple elimination you can figure out the problem. Maybe you'll do better next time though! Just keep at it dont' give up though, you won't get anywhere that way.

[Briiel]

since your only trying to goad me into responding back I am done now. I know what I did and didn't do. So I don't have to prove myself to a person who isn't fully reading or understanding what I write.

[Tyrax Lightning]

There are 2 things you have to always fear about getting new puder parts:

1: Factory Defect. Technology is as imperfect as the Humans that built it.

2: Shipping Damage. Gotta love reckless, irresponsible Shipping Personnel that don't care about other people's belongings. <_<

My apologies if ya already did this, but have ya made sure the Graphics Card is fully seated into it's Slot, no Pin damage on either the Card or the Monitor Plug, fully seated Monitor Plug, & lastly, check your Monitor's Max Resolution & see if the puder Resolution is set higher than what the Monitor can display?

Also, have ya checked the Amps on the 12V Rails of your PSU to see if they're strong? (18 Amps or better.) Weak Amps on your 12V Rails could be failing to give adequate power to your Graphics Card, & i've heard unconfirmed Intel that some Graphics Cards can have some seriously high Amps requirements, like 30+ Amps.