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[Jedi_blues]

Every play through, even the first, I have wanted to put a bullet through Wilson's head. And I play Paragon. It is so patently obvious that he is the traitor.  From the surprise in his voice when he finds out that Shep is alive, to the fact that there are no mechs, broken or otherwise, in the room where he got shot in.

I hate waiting for Miranda to finish the job.  

[Biotic_Warlock]

And from when his leg was shot... if he wasn't a traiter, he would be dead.

[Talogrungi]

Jedi_blues wrote...


Every play through, even the first, I have wanted to put a bullet through Wilson's head. And I play Paragon. It is so patently obvious that he is the traitor.  From the surprise in his voice when he finds out that Shep is alive, to the fact that there are no mechs, broken or otherwise, in the room where he got shot in.

I hate waiting for Miranda to finish the job.  

Noticed that too. There are also a lot of dead humans there. I smelled a rat the first time.

[OverlordNexas]

Wilson seemed like a cool dude. I wish I could have shot Miranda and taken him instead.

[Jedi_blues]

OverlordNexas wrote...

Wilson seemed like a cool dude. I wish I could have shot Miranda and taken him instead.

So you would take the traitor that tried to kill you and leave the person that wanted to help you, albeit for her own reasons?

[OverlordNexas]

Jedi_blues wrote...

OverlordNexas wrote...

Wilson seemed like a cool dude. I wish I could have shot Miranda and taken him instead.

So you would take the traitor that tried to kill you and leave the person that wanted to help you, albeit for her own reasons?

Yes. He betrayed Cerberus so he's all right in my book.

[Jedi_blues]

OverlordNexas wrote...

Jedi_blues wrote...

OverlordNexas wrote...

Wilson seemed like a cool dude. I wish I could have shot Miranda and taken him instead.

So you would take the traitor that tried to kill you and leave the person that wanted to help you, albeit for her own reasons?

Yes. He betrayed Cerberus so he's all right in my book.

Not sure was as much "betraying Cerberus" as it was "trying to kill Shep." We don't know his reasons, but it is safe to assume that wouldn't be the last attempt on your life. He wasn't being paid to betray Cerberus, he was being paid to kill you.

[Jedi_blues]

In fact he was taking great pains to hide the fact he had betrayed Cerberus. I think if he could have killed you without getting noticed he would still be with Cerberus.

[aaniadyen]

I thought his motives were pretty clear. In one of the log entries you can find, Miranda says something like "Even though Shepard is in horrible shape, Wilson insists that we can rebuild him." It's pretty simple. Wilson wants to see Miranda fail for some reason.

[Cutlass Jack]

No I wanted to shoot Miranda for shooting Wilson. It was quite out of character for Shepard not to fire back when someone was aiming a gun in his direction.

Also: Wilson was framed.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 20 février 2010 - 04:50 .

[Jedi_blues]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

No I wanted to shoot Miranda for shooting Wilson. It was quite out of character for Shepard not to fire back when someone was aiming a gun in his direction.

Also: Wilson was framed.

Why do you say he was framed? 

Re: Miranda I don't believe she ever aimed a gun at him, only Wilson. And if Shep has half a brain he should be suspecting Wilson already. After seeing where he was "ambushed" I certainly kept him in front of me the rest of the time.

Modifié par Jedi_blues, 20 février 2010 - 04:53 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Jedi_blues wrote...

Why do you say he was framed? 

Re: Miranda I don't believe she ever aimed a gun at him, only Wilson. And if Shep has half a brain he should be suspecting Wilson already. After seeing where he was "ambushed" I certainly kept him in front of me the rest of the time.

If your Shep had half a brain he'd realize that there was only one person on that station he didn't see the Mechs shooting at. And that wasn't Wilson.

To believe Wilson was the culprit, you'd have to believe he was so brilliant he could get things by Cerberus' security and TIM without them realizing it. Yet be so stupid he couldn't program the mechs not to shoot him or at least enter the room he was in.

You'd also have to believe that Miranda was so stupid she'd leave armor and weapons in a room next to the one person in the galaxy who has taken down multiple Cerberus cells without a second thought. And leave that man unrestrained in any way. You'd also have to believe Wilson could have done anything without her knowing it.

By Miranda's own words, 'she never makes mistakes.' Yet she seemed to have made an awful lot of them.

[Jedi_blues]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Jedi_blues wrote...

Why do you say he was framed? 

Re: Miranda I don't believe she ever aimed a gun at him, only Wilson. And if Shep has half a brain he should be suspecting Wilson already. After seeing where he was "ambushed" I certainly kept him in front of me the rest of the time.

If your Shep had half a brain he'd realize that there was only one person on that station he didn't see the Mechs shooting at. And that wasn't Wilson.

To believe Wilson was the culprit, you'd have to believe he was so brilliant he could get things by Cerberus' security and TIM without them realizing it. Yet be so stupid he couldn't program the mechs not to shoot him or at least enter the room he was in.

You'd also have to believe that Miranda was so stupid she'd leave armor and weapons in a room next to the one person in the galaxy who has taken down multiple Cerberus cells without a second thought. And leave that man unrestrained in any way. You'd also have to believe Wilson could have done anything without her knowing it.

By Miranda's own words, 'she never makes mistakes.' Yet she seemed to have made an awful lot of them.

Wow. We'll have to disagree on this one. You are terribly misquoting Miranda for one. She says she is human, that she does make mistakes and the consequences of those mistakes are often very dire.  She may have said something to the contrary at first, but we both know that's not true.

A) Go back and listen to the surprise in Wilson's voice when he hears Shep is alive. He recovers quickly, but it is there.

He then routes them to a room that is full of mechs. When Shep makes it through that room he yells some garbage about being attacked. Funny how there are no mechs or mech pieces anywhere near him. Only dead people. 

C) He then keeps trying to convince everyone to leave Miranda behind. Why? It's pretty clear he send an army of mechs after her too.

All the evidence is there. If you can't put that together I don't what to say. But he was definitely the traitor. 

[cylriasilver]

Wilson was betraying Cerberus, that alone doesn’t make him a bad guy. We don’t know who he was working for. He could be an alliance agent for all we know.



I think we only have Miranda’s word that he was trying to kill Shepherd. The robots seem to have dispatched everyone outside the room Shepard wakes up in, but don’t seem to be trying to get in. It’s only after Shepard grabs a gun and armor does he/she become a target.



Wilson is the chief researcher. If his only goal was to kill Shepard, he could easily have just “failed” to bring him/her back to life and covered up the numbers to make it look like Miranda’s fault.



He does wait until Shepard is rebuilt before his double cross. I’m pretty sure he wanted Shepard alive and was glad to have Cerberus foot the bill for it. Who he wanted to give Shepard to us unknown because…



… Miranda conveniently kills him before he can tell you who he’s working for.

[Cutlass Jack]

Jedi_blues wrote...

Wow. We'll have to disagree on this one. You are terribly misquoting Miranda for one. She says she is human, that she does make mistakes and the consequences of those mistakes are often very dire.  She may have said something to the contrary at first, but we both know that's not true.

A) Go back and listen to the surprise in Wilson's voice when he hears Shep is alive. He recovers quickly, but it is there.

He then routes them to a room that is full of mechs. When Shep makes it through that room he yells some garbage about being attacked. Funny how there are no mechs or mech pieces anywhere near him. Only dead people. 

C) He then keeps trying to convince everyone to leave Miranda behind. Why? It's pretty clear he send an army of mechs after her too.

All the evidence is there. If you can't put that together I don't what to say. But he was definitely the traitor. 

All circumstantial. Sure he might have shot himself, but he also had Overload which blows up mechs without leaving scraps. Also Three mechs enter the room and start shooting directly at him. So they weren't programmed not to shoot him, nor stay out of the room he was in. Criminal mastermind he isn't. Yet he'd have to be to get anything past TIM/Miranda.

Wilson being the culprit would mean there was a huge security leak that extended beyond that station and could threaten all of Cerberus. Yet Miranda shoots him without a second thought about questioning him on it. She's not that stupid. She knew he had no information she needed. But Wilson did have knowledge you needed. Specifically about what exactly they did to your body over the last two years.

Wilson specifically mentions in his logs how excited he is that they succeeded, yet comments that Miranda seems colder than ever. That seems to indicate to me that she was purposely distancing herself from her staff because she knew what TIM wanted done next.

You may have missed this but its mentioned multiple times throughout the game that TIM likes to 'cleanse' projects that have outlived their usefulness. Lazarus only had one goal and they completed it.

[Jedi_blues]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Jedi_blues wrote...

Wow. We'll have to disagree on this one. You are terribly misquoting Miranda for one. She says she is human, that she does make mistakes and the consequences of those mistakes are often very dire.  She may have said something to the contrary at first, but we both know that's not true.

A) Go back and listen to the surprise in Wilson's voice when he hears Shep is alive. He recovers quickly, but it is there.

He then routes them to a room that is full of mechs. When Shep makes it through that room he yells some garbage about being attacked. Funny how there are no mechs or mech pieces anywhere near him. Only dead people. 

C) He then keeps trying to convince everyone to leave Miranda behind. Why? It's pretty clear he send an army of mechs after her too.

All the evidence is there. If you can't put that together I don't what to say. But he was definitely the traitor. 

All circumstantial. Sure he might have shot himself, but he also had Overload which blows up mechs without leaving scraps. Also Three mechs enter the room and start shooting directly at him. So they weren't programmed not to shoot him, nor stay out of the room he was in. Criminal mastermind he isn't. Yet he'd have to be to get anything past TIM/Miranda.

Wilson being the culprit would mean there was a huge security leak that extended beyond that station and could threaten all of Cerberus. Yet Miranda shoots him without a second thought about questioning him on it. She's not that stupid. She knew he had no information she needed. But Wilson did have knowledge you needed. Specifically about what exactly they did to your body over the last two years.

Wilson specifically mentions in his logs how excited he is that they succeeded, yet comments that Miranda seems colder than ever. That seems to indicate to me that she was purposely distancing herself from her staff because she knew what TIM wanted done next.

You may have missed this but its mentioned multiple times throughout the game that TIM likes to 'cleanse' projects that have outlived their usefulness. Lazarus only had one goal and they completed it.

You're calling my facts circumstantial while you practically make up evidence?

Covering Lazarus is as easy as blowing up the station. TIM said Wilson was one of his best agents. TIM wouldn't just kill a scientist that was that valuable. He would just reassign him. Cerberus wasn't exactly shy about the fact that they brought Shepard back,  there is no need to "clense" the cell that deeply. What you are saying doesn't make sense. Using that logic he would just kill Miranda too. But he didn't, because Miranda is valuable. So is Wilson.

Overload still leaves mech pieces, the game just cleans them from the environment quickly. 

Obviously when he made the "plea for help" he had time to reprogram the mechs to attack him as well to make his alibi believable.

 

[Gill Kaiser]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

No I wanted to shoot Miranda for shooting Wilson. It was quite out of character for Shepard not to fire back when someone was aiming a gun in his direction.

Also: Wilson was framed.

Framed my foot. The guy was so clearly a traitor from the very moment you hear his logs and meet him. His green eyes, his perpetual angry looking face, his surprise that Shepard's alive, the fact that he is "attacked by mechs" over the radio yet no mechs are present when you get there, and the fact that he tries to blame Miranda for the attack yet backtracks the instant you mention that Miranda woke and warned you about it.

If Miranda hadn't shot him, I would have, because the guy was completely transparent.

[Cutlass Jack]

Jedi_blues wrote...

You're calling my facts circumstantial while you practically make up evidence?

Covering Lazarus is as easy as blowing up the station. TIM said Wilson was one of his best agents. TIM wouldn't just kill a scientist that was that valuable. He would just reassign him. Cerberus wasn't exactly shy about the fact that they brought Shepard back,  there is no need to "clense" the cell that deeply. What you are saying doesn't make sense. Using that logic he would just kill Miranda too. But he didn't, because Miranda is valuable. So is Wilson.

Overload still leaves mech pieces, the game just cleans them from the environment quickly. 

Obviously when he made the "plea for help" he had time to reprogram the mechs to attack him as well to make his alibi believable.

Such a stretch. He had time to reprogram the mechs and shoot himself in the leg convincingly in the short time it took you to run up the hallway? He wasn't even near a control panel. There is really no hard evidence pointing at Wilson whatsoever. The closest thing you get is a minor comment in one of his journals mentioning how he wished TIM would send a little money his way. Made him sound like every other employee of the galaxy.

So explain to me why Miranda left armor and a weapon next to an unsecured spectre with a history of hating Cerberus without binding him? (not to mention fully dressed) Also explain to me how she had complete control of the surveillance equipment, and could even unlock doors for him, but couldn't control the mechs?

Or how about thse two damaged mechs crawling around in Wilson's office? What's their story? Looked to me like Wilson fought his way out of his office and ran to the control room.

TIM wouldn't kill Miranda because the point of the exercise was to get Shepard to trust her and be too busy to ask tricky questions about Cerberus. Seeing the Cerberus personnel give their lives to save him, would make Shep see them in a more positive light. He needed to get Shep on board quickly so they'd get to Freedom's Progress in time.

[VirtualAlex]

The guy who voices Spike from Cowboy Beebop voices Wilson.



That makes him okay in my book. I wish he was in the story more.

[aaniadyen]

VirtualAlex wrote...

The guy who voices Spike from Cowboy Beebop voices Wilson.

That makes him okay in my book. I wish he was in the story more.

Holy cats! I wasn't the only person to notice!

[mac35]

People are really trying to say that Miranda was the traitor and Wilson wasn't?



Wow, I guess we know why game companies can't afford to be subtle anymore...people just don't understand what's right in front of them unless it's explicitly spelled out.

[ToshiStation38]

VirtualAlex wrote...

The guy who voices Spike from Cowboy Beebop voices Wilson.

That makes him okay in my book. I wish he was in the story more.

Grunt is voiced by the same guy.

Modifié par ToshiStation38, 20 février 2010 - 05:46 .

[Gill Kaiser]

Well, you must find a hell of a lot of characters "ok", then, because Steve Blum is as prolific a voice actor as they come.

Anyway, you already have an entire squadmate voiced by him, you don't need two

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 20 février 2010 - 05:47 .

[ToshiStation38]

mac35 wrote...

People are really trying to say that Miranda was the traitor and Wilson wasn't?

Wow, I guess we know why game companies can't afford to be subtle anymore...people just don't understand what's right in front of them unless it's explicitly spelled out.

Miranda is impolite, and she's mean to Shepard.

She must be evil.

[Cutlass Jack]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Well, you must find a hell of a lot of characters "ok", then, because Steve Blum is as prolific a voice actor as they come.

Anyway, you already have an entire squadmate voiced by him, you don't need two

Grunt is nearly as large as two squadmates anyway.

Blum is great.