Is it just me or do SMGs blow?
#26
Posté 20 février 2010 - 05:35
#27
Guest_KorPhaeron11_*
Posté 20 février 2010 - 05:39
Guest_KorPhaeron11_*
ImperialOperative wrote...
KorPhaeron11 wrote...
err
SMG = Submachine Gun
I dont know what a "small machine gun" is
My mistake, although "small" can still carry the same connotation as the "sub-" prefix.
"sub-" used in submachine-gun indicates "lesser/inferior" which is due to it's size (barrel length, potential energy in the shells, projectile size, etc) and "small" used as the prefix can communicate something similar.
/shrug
Err ,nope Sub doesnt refer to the size but the caliber, because most of the are 9mm and a few .45.
The submachine gun(Uzzi, MP5) is the little brother of the light machine gun(SAW, M60), they dont really have anything to do with asault rifles(M16, AK47-74)
Modifié par KorPhaeron11, 20 février 2010 - 05:43 .
#28
Posté 20 février 2010 - 05:41
#29
Posté 20 février 2010 - 06:07
Cris Shepard wrote...
Are you Guys Serious, i'm playing on Insanity right now as a Sentinel starting from level 1 and it is just brutal. Every weapon I use on insanity just plain sucks lol, and no, I don't suck, I don't randomly shoot and miss the target, most of my shots are dead on headshots but enemies are just so tough.. I can't wait to get the tempest and unlock another weapon specialization on the collector ship.
PSSST~!
Thats why they call it the hardest difficulty on the game
#30
Guest_Guest12345_*
Posté 20 février 2010 - 06:09
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Cris Shepard wrote...
Are you Guys Serious, i'm playing on Insanity right now as a Sentinel starting from level 1 and it is just brutal. Every weapon I use on insanity just plain sucks lol, and no, I don't suck, I don't randomly shoot and miss the target, most of my shots are dead on headshots but enemies are just so tough.. I can't wait to get the tempest and unlock another weapon specialization on the collector ship.
guns alone on insanity will not cut it, you absolutely need to be using warp and overload as frequently as they cool down, and using your assault armor as soon as it breaks. insanity is extremely challenging if you don't use the warp and overload skills as every enemy you encounter will have shields, barriers and armor.
#31
Posté 20 février 2010 - 06:14
#32
Posté 20 février 2010 - 06:17
Haven't even tried the Tempest yet.
Modifié par Chaos-fusion, 20 février 2010 - 06:19 .
#33
Posté 20 février 2010 - 06:18
#34
Posté 20 février 2010 - 06:22
#35
Posté 20 février 2010 - 06:29
#36
Posté 20 février 2010 - 06:32
KentGoldings wrote...
The SMG is not meant to be stand alone assault weapon. It's primary function is to take down shields and barriers. Combined with the proper upgrades and ammo, the Tempest can be used in concert with other powers for devastating effect. In this manner you can take down the largest foes on any difficulty setting.
Quote for Truth
#37
Posté 20 février 2010 - 06:37
the tempest however is quite usable.
#38
Posté 20 février 2010 - 06:39
FataliTensei wrote...
it's just you, the tempest is awesome
QFT, I love that thing.
Vanguards generally gain a disportionate advantage from SMGs as they tend to spend a lot of time at the SMG's optimal range. But it's a brilliant weapon.
#39
Posté 20 février 2010 - 06:41
Bullet for Bullet, the Shuriken is a lot stronger than the Tempest, but despite all that, the immense clip size of the Tempest is too much to turn away fromvashts1985 wrote...
i cant stand the shuriken. tbh that thing should have been apart of the pistol class.
the tempest however is quite usable.
#40
Posté 20 février 2010 - 06:43
luet1991 wrote...
ImperialOperative wrote...
SMG = small machine gun
#41
Posté 20 février 2010 - 06:44
#42
Posté 20 février 2010 - 07:04
javierabegazo wrote...
Bullet for Bullet, the Shuriken is a lot stronger than the Tempest, but despite all that, the immense clip size of the Tempest is too much to turn away fromvashts1985 wrote...
i cant stand the shuriken. tbh that thing should have been apart of the pistol class.
the tempest however is quite usable.
this may be so, but the spread on the shuriken make it hard to qualify it as being a better weapon DPS wise.
basically the Tempest just hits its mark more reliably than the shuriken and therefore is a bit more dependable for dealing reliable damage. the fact that it can fire 50 shots before having to reload with a very high reserve just makes it "almost" broken in comparison.
of couse everything is based on range here. the farther you get with the SMGs the worse they perform. i would almost compare the Tempest to a small AR, but it just cant hold up to one at range.
#43
Posté 20 février 2010 - 07:07
#44
Posté 20 février 2010 - 07:10
First you say that "hurr my weapons suck and no I don't suck lol" and then you continue on to detail exactly why you suck.Cris Shepard wrote...
Are you Guys Serious, i'm playing on Insanity right now as a Sentinel starting from level 1 and it is just brutal. Every weapon I use on insanity just plain sucks lol, and no, I don't suck, I don't randomly shoot and miss the target, most of my shots are dead on headshots but enemies are just so tough.. I can't wait to get the tempest and unlock another weapon specialization on the collector ship.
Your weapons doesn't suck. All of us are using the same weapons. The only thing sucking here is you.
Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 20 février 2010 - 07:11 .
#45
Posté 20 février 2010 - 07:18
#46
Posté 20 février 2010 - 07:33
ImperialOperative wrote...
My mistake, although "small" can still carry the same connotation as the "sub-" prefix.
"sub-" used in submachine-gun indicates "lesser/inferior" which is due to it's size (barrel length, potential energy in the shells, projectile size, etc) and "small" used as the prefix can communicate something similar.
/shrug
Sub Machine Guns are called such because historically, the very first automatic weapons were large crew-served weapons (aka Heavy Machine Guns). The miniaturization of automatic weapons led to the development of the Light Machine Gun (manportable automatic weapons using rifle ammo), and then further reduced into the smaller Sub Machine Gun, which use smaller caliber rounds most often pistol ammo.
Hence, the term "Sub" does refer to the "inferiority" of this particular class of weapon in comparison to its larger brethren, since SMG's came last in the technological line.
You're correct in the semantic sense of course, but the proper term for the weapon is "Sub", not "Small".
As for SMG's in Mass Effect 2... as already mentioned, the SMG is not an end-all be-all weapon: It is meant to be used as a shield/barrier destroyer to allow the use of biotic or tech powers on a target. Do note that the classes armed with SMG's are the ones equipped with powerful biotic or tech powers. I do find SMG's very useful against hordes, particularly against Husks and Abominations provided you arm it with the right ammo type (Incendiary or AP ammo do wonders in this department).
#47
Posté 20 février 2010 - 07:34
#48
Posté 20 février 2010 - 07:41
#49
Posté 20 février 2010 - 07:48
#50
Posté 20 février 2010 - 08:44
Especially when using Cryo or Incendiary ammo.




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