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[LoweGear]

yfhfrg wrote...
You can? Does picking up the revenant mean you add all the assault rifles to your arsenal regardless of class?

You do not get to choose the Revenant if your class can't use Assault Rifles in the first place, which means only the Soldier is able to use the Revenant. For all other classes, you only get to choose Assault Rifle Training, which allows your class to use Assault Rifles.

Basically, the special weapons (Revenant, Claymore and Widow) are only available if your class can already use their respective weapon types by default. Soldiers can choose between all three, while the Vanguard can choose the Claymore, and the Infiltrator can use the Widow. For Adepts, Sentinels and Engineers you're only given the choice between adding a weapon specialty.

[vhatever]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Perhaps you should look at this: http://masseffect.wi...nry_Comparison:

Basically, on average the base damage of the Shuriken will get beaten by any assault rifle in the game. However, the Tempest SMG beats the **** out of the Collector Assault Rifle in terms of damage, while being close to equal to the damage of a Vindicator ( save for shields, where it beats the Vindicator ) and the Revenant ( losing 60 points on health, 100 on armor, and only 20 on shields )

If upgraded though, any SMG will do 50% more damage against shields and barries ( aka what the VAST Majority of enemies in the game use ) while the Assault Rifles will get a 25% to barriers/shields and armor.

Conclusion: In the most scenarios having an SMG is preferable to having an assault rifle in terms of raw power, though it does cost some long range accuracy ( not that in matters that much anyway, as in most cases you can get very close to your enemies ) The only exception is the Revenant, however I should point out that only soldiers can get it, and soldiers don't have the warp/tech powers of the other classes.

In the situations where you are dealing with armored enemies, using a pistol is preferable ( as it does have an AP upgrade and another upgrade which gives its a chance to do double damage ) or a Sniper if you have one.

That wikipage is completely worthless. You have to actually read their methods to see why. They do not use what they describe as "feathering". So they just hold down the fire button This doesn't change the damage on the Tempest, but in grossly lowers the damage of all other weapons, including the shurkien. I don't know who the idiot was who decided to make such a misleading damage calculation but they should never be able to touch a wiki about a game ever again.

[Chaos-fusion]

yfhfrg wrote...

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

Yes, they're pretty bad. Luckily, you can choose to train assault rifles later on.

You can? Does picking up the revenant mean you add all the assault rifles to your arsenal regardless of class?

You can only pick the revenant if you can use assault rifles. If not, you get assault rifle training which lets you use all of them except the revenant. For example, my infiltrator could choose between assualt rifle training, shotgun training, or a snazzy sniper rifle (The widow).

[ruleonecardio]

upgrades bra

[Costin_Razvan]

vhatever wrote...

That wikipage is completely worthless. You have to actually read their methods to see why. They do not use what they describe as "feathering". So they just hold down the fire button This doesn't change the damage on the Tempest, but in grossly lowers the damage of all other weapons, including the shurkien. I don't know who the idiot was who decided to make such a misleading damage calculation but they should never be able to touch a wiki about a game ever again.

Maybe cause the shuriken was not meant to work as spam click and you get a fully automatic machine gun? Admittely the Shuriken does a **** load more damage if you abuse the bug.

That being said, most of their damage calculations are corect.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 21 février 2010 - 08:31 .

[vhatever]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

vhatever wrote...

That wikipage is completely worthless. You have to actually read their methods to see why. They do not use what they describe as "feathering". So they just hold down the fire button This doesn't change the damage on the Tempest, but in grossly lowers the damage of all other weapons, including the shurkien. I don't know who the idiot was who decided to make such a misleading damage calculation but they should never be able to touch a wiki about a game ever again.

Maybe cause the shuriken was not meant to work as spam click and you get a fully automatic machine gun? Admittely the Shuriken does a **** load more damage if you abuse the bug.

That being said, most of their damage calculations are corect.

The only calculations on that page that are correct on the one-round clip weapons. Everything else is worthless, Not sure what "bug" you are talking about. Pressing the button shoots faster than holding the button? weird bug since the game iself tells you as much.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

LoweGear wrote...

yfhfrg wrote...
You can? Does picking up the revenant mean you add all the assault rifles to your arsenal regardless of class?

You do not get to choose the Revenant if your class can't use Assault Rifles in the first place, which means only the Soldier is able to use the Revenant. For all other classes, you only get to choose Assault Rifle Training, which allows your class to use Assault Rifles.

Basically, the special weapons (Revenant, Claymore and Widow) are only available if your class can already use their respective weapon types by default. Soldiers can choose between all three, while the Vanguard can choose the Claymore, and the Infiltrator can use the Widow. For Adepts, Sentinels and Engineers you're only given the choice between adding a weapon specialty.

which kind of sucks for adepts, sentinels, and engineers..... they should be able to choose an awesome super variant of the pistol or smg....so they can have something cool too.

[Riot Inducer]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Tempest is a killer at close range and the Shuriken has the advantage of being effective of a bit longer range.

One would think so but it's ironically not the burst fire weapon that has better accuracy and range. The Shuriken's accuracy is actually pretty static it gains almost no accuracy by cover or the zoom function and it's accuracy is pretty ****** poor honestly. It does however have superior dps to the Tempest if you can actually hit, this means the Shuriken is actually a good option for CQC centric people. 

The Tempest has extremely variable accuracy, you gain a lot of accuracy by shooting from cover or zooming (when zoomed the accuracy is comparable to the Vindicator). However the accuracy quickly degrades when firing full auto though, so like with any full auto weapon stick to short bursts at range. 

All in all the Tempest is superior for general use, you can hit effectively at range and have the ammo-capacity to last through the longest of firefights. The Shuriken is the close combat SMG, at range you'll likely only have one shot out of every burst hit. 

[KumoriOokami]

I think the SMG is kindof a tactical weapon. I wouldn't use it for Shepard usually, but as a squad-mate weapon with squad-cyro ammo it is -really- useful for a Vanguard or Soldier character. The fast rate of fire of these weapons practically ensures that multiple enemies will be frozen so that your Vanguard or Soldier can really easily charge in and smash things up.

[foolish replica]

yeah tempest is a killer especially at close range; and the large ammo reservoir makes it the -second-

best weapon for vanguards(aside from the scimitar). just remember to burst fire it to maintain accuracy.

[BrowncoatGR]

Riot Inducer wrote...

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Tempest is a killer at close range and the Shuriken has the advantage of being effective of a bit longer range.

One would think so but it's ironically not the burst fire weapon that has better accuracy and range. The Shuriken's accuracy is actually pretty static it gains almost no accuracy by cover or the zoom function and it's accuracy is pretty ****** poor honestly. It does however have superior dps to the Tempest if you can actually hit, this means the Shuriken is actually a good option for CQC centric people. 

The Tempest has extremely variable accuracy, you gain a lot of accuracy by shooting from cover or zooming (when zoomed the accuracy is comparable to the Vindicator). However the accuracy quickly degrades when firing full auto though, so like with any full auto weapon stick to short bursts at range. 

All in all the Tempest is superior for general use, you can hit effectively at range and have the ammo-capacity to last through the longest of firefights. The Shuriken is the close combat SMG, at range you'll likely only have one shot out of every burst hit. 

Actually the Tempest fires a lot faster. At close quarters you can empty a mag on an enemy in a couple of secods and if the enemy is close enough most bullets will even hit.

[L33tuberpwner]

Geth Pulse Rifle>All



I prefer it over the collector's rifle.

[Invalidcode]

Poor Shuriken is so underrated. It is not as flashy as Tempest but is it just as good, the two SMGs have different effective range.

[addiction21]

Invalidcode wrote...

Poor Shuriken is so underrated. It is not as flashy as Tempest but is it just as good, the two SMGs have different effective range.

I am not all that far with my vanguard so all I have is the Shuriken and the DLC shotgun (eviscrator on insanity has dropped many a trooper in one shot to the face after charging shields and all) are fun.
Alot of fights I use the shuriken to drop the shields/barriers and then charge in shotgunning everyone down.

[JaegerBane]

Invalidcode wrote...

Poor Shuriken is so underrated. It is not as flashy as Tempest but is it just as good, the two SMGs have different effective range.

The problem is for any situation where range actually matters, the heavy pistol is a better choice.

[JaegerBane]

L33tuberpwner wrote...

Geth Pulse Rifle>All

I prefer it over the collector's rifle.

The Pulse Rifle is of debatable use for anyone - It's high effectiveness against shields is all well and good, put is markedly less potent than either SMGs or Shotguns. It's accuracy is similar to the Vindicator but with far less punch.

And the Pulse Rifle isn't fit to lick the boots of the Revenant,