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[Borschtbeet]

I know people will scoff at this idea but using the limited alignment system from D8D, which alignment do you think the various squad mates in Mass Effect 2 would fall under?

Commander Shepard-Paragon Shepard is the absolute epitome of lawful good.  A renegade Shepard is chaotic good.

Garrus-Chaotic good.  He left C-sec because he was only interested in fighting crime and injustice and hated being bogged down by rules.  He's basically a criminal himself who fights other criminals.

Jack-Chaotic Neutral.  She's not out to do good or evil.  She couldn't give a damn.  Just don't ****** her off.

Samara-Lawful good.  She's bound to a code that commits her to benevolence.  Her code puts benevolence first even above punishing the wicked as she states that her code commits her to save an innocent even if it means letting a guilty person going free.

Mordin-Chaotic good.  He thinks rules and regulations are antithetical towards doing what is the greater good and believes the ends justify the means.
As he said, there are a lot of ways to help people whether it be curing the sick or executing criminals.

Jacob-Neutral good.  Jacob believes in doing what is right and if following rules will help him in doing what is right, then great.  However, he is not so beholden to law and order that he will put it above his personal feelings which is why he left the alliance.  He got tired of all the red tape.
He's loyal enough to Cerberus but he still questions their methods and doesn't fully trust them.

Miranda-Lawful Neutral.  She's the Illusive Man's lackey.  She believes fully in what he stands for and doesn't believe it's her place to question his authority.  

Grunt-Lawful Neutral.  He believes his purpose is to fight and he will happily obey someone who earns his respect, in his case Shepard whom he accepts as his battlemaster.

Legion-True Neutral.  "they" believe that the heretic Geth should be free to choose their own beliefs even though Legion believes that power comes from sharing each other's beliefs, needs and desires.  Legion believes Geth must be free to choose their own destiny and the only reason he is trying to stop the heretics is because the Heretics are trying to take away that freedom from other Geth.
Legion's various programs are eventually evenly conflicted on whether to rewrite the Geth which makes him strictly neutral.

Tali-Lawful good.  She's loyal to the flotilla's admiralty board and respects their wishes, even when she doesn't agree with them.  As a Quarian, she knows just how important it is to maintain a stable society in a civilization which requires it's people work together in order to survive, but she is also a kind hearted girl who will go out of her way to help others.

Zaeed-Neutral evil.  This guy is a scumbag but he's not so stupid that he would betray a contract and hurt his reputation.  He's helping Shepard because he is getting paid to but the person who comes first is always Zaeed.  No doubt he has an interest in stopping the collectors though that fall outside monetary reasons considering the Collectors are specifically targeting humans, and Zaeed is obviously human.

Morinth-Chaotic evil.  She is selfish, hedonistic, and obviously insane.  She revels in causing suffering, misery, and torment in all.  Her personal pleasure is worth the life of anyone and she doesn't feel any sympathy or regret for those whom she makes suffer.

Thane-Neutral good.  Thane may have been a cut throat earlier in his days but he now kills for the sake of creating what he sees as balance in the world.  He believes in preventing evil from growing too powerful.  As such, any means of fighting evil whether they be lawful or otherwise are just in his mind.
Thane is a sinner and he knows it.  He believes that using his skills for good in the twilight years of his life are his ways of repenting in the eyes of the Gods he worships.

[Biotic_Warlock]

I agree with all, but Grunt is more Chaotic Good, he doesnt fight for all lawful reasons, and he doesnt want to kill in cold blood, much anyway.

Thane would be Lawful neutral, he will not kill for no reason and would do just as told (as an assassin anyway)

Morinth would be neutral Evil, she doesnt kill madly out of pure chaos, but sure does take pelasure in killing.

[Cutlass Jack]

Renegade Shepard isn't even close to Chaotic Good. Chaotic Neutral perhaps.



My Paragon Shepard was alway Chaotic Good. I never followed the law. I did what I felt was right.



Tali is not Lawful Good. She bends the rules quite a bit. Neutral Good perhaps, Chaotic Good more likely.

[keginkc]

Sounds about right, although I think some alignments change during loyalty missions. To me, Jack's chaotic evil when you meet her, and can become chaotic neutral through her loyalty mission. I think you can potentially change alignments for Garrus, Miranda and Mordin depending on how you end their mission, and Miranda in particular can change drastically by the end of the game (if you destroy the base and she's grouped she leaves Cerberus; if you keep it, she questions your decision).



I think Shepard's alignment is entirely dependent upon the player's choices. I have a renegade Shepard that I just finished that's about 95% on the Renegade scale and 60% on the Paragon that I consider Chaotic good, but I can easily see choices she makes ending her as Chaotic Evil.

[Borschtbeet]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

I agree with all, but Grunt is more Chaotic Good, he doesnt fight for all lawful reasons, and he doesnt want to kill in cold blood, much anyway.
Thane would be Lawful neutral, he will not kill for no reason and would do just as told (as an assassin anyway)
Morinth would be neutral Evil, she doesnt kill madly out of pure chaos, but sure does take pelasure in killing.

I actually think you might be right about Morinth being Neutral evil.  Thane I still maintain is neutral good though.

The difference between someone like Thane and say Mordin and Garrus is that Mordin and Garrus actively oppose lawful organizations because they think they're a burden.
Thane doesn't necessarily believe this.  He does good as an assassin because that is how he knows how to do good but doing good is what comes first.  If a lawful organization wants to help, that is fine so long as it doesn't get in his way.

The reason why Grunt doesn't kill in cold blood is because he follows Shepard who isn't evil.

[vashts1985]

lol there is no alignment in D&D anymore.



your either good, evil, or unaligned.

[Speakeasy13]

How is Zaeed evil, or even a scumbag? Did you listen to any of his dialogues onboard Normandy or during missions? He has killed pirates and slavers, saved children along his mission and save freighters from Krogan raiders. Hell, he gives more of a damn about saving human lives than most of your squad mates. Chaotic Neutral is obviously a better suited designation for Zaeed.

Grunt is more Chaotic Neutral for me. Don't think anyone who fights for fun can be classified as "good". Also he has no respect for order or law whatsoever. He only respects Shepard out of sheer combat poweress.

Agreed with Morinth being neutral.

Modifié par Speakeasy13, 20 février 2010 - 05:04 .

[Cutlass Jack]

vashts1985 wrote...

lol there is no alignment in D&D anymore.

your either good, evil, or unaligned.

4th Edition isn't D&D. Its WoW without a computer.

[Biotic_Warlock]

vashts1985 wrote...

lol there is no alignment in D&D anymore.

your either good, evil, or unaligned.

I dont like V.4, i prefer the 3rd one, proper spellbooks, classes everything...

[aaniadyen]

vashts1985 wrote...

lol there is no alignment in D&D anymore.

your either good, evil, or unaligned.

What the **** are you talking about? (4th ed never happened).

[Borschtbeet]

All Dead wrote...

Also it would help if you can post a description of all the alignments for those not too familiar with D&D.

Alright, here it is for people not familiar with it.

http://en.wikipedia....eons_&_Dragons)

[Biotic_Warlock]

Have any of you noticed the similarities to Baldurs gate?

Go for the eyes boo, go for the eyes!

Similar to what Tali says... also Aerie says Chikitika fast paws... Tali says Chikitika vas paus or something.

[Borschtbeet]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

How is Zaeed evil, or even a scumbag? Did you listen to any of his dialogues onboard Normandy or during missions? He has killed pirates and slavers, saved children along his mission and save freighters from Krogan raiders. Hell, he gives more of a damn about saving human lives than most of your squad mates. Chaotic Neutral is obviously a better suited designation for Zaeed.

Grunt is more Chaotic Neutral for me. Don't think anyone who fights for fun can be classified as "good".

Agreed with Morinth being neutral.

Any act of good he did was only because he got paid for it.  When acting on his own he puts his own selfish desires above what is best.  We saw it in his loyalty mission when he let his petty revenge come at the cost of many innocent lives.
He's a scumbag.  Not to say thats a bad thing.  I'm glad the squad in Mass Effect 2 is diverse and I liked Zaeed.

[aaniadyen]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Have any of you noticed the similarities to Baldurs gate?
Go for the eyes boo, go for the eyes!
Similar to what Tali says... also Aerie says Chikitika fast paws... Tali says Chikitika vas paus or something.

This game has a lot of homages to BG, as does Dragon Age.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Does Chakwas sound like Viconia De'vir, or am i mad?

If you look at other characters... Joker is a but Neut good... Chakwas i a bit Neut good as well... I think that Kelly is a little True Neutral...

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 20 février 2010 - 05:06 .

[aaniadyen]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Does Chakwas sound like Viconia De'vir, or am i mad?

They have similar accents. That's about it.

[Biotic_Warlock]

aaniadyen wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Does Chakwas sound like Viconia De'vir, or am i mad?

They have similar accents. That's about it.

Shepard: lets toast to trust...
Chakwas: Trust is for the foolish, and the drunk, i'd drink to that.

[Cutlass Jack]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Does Chakwas sound like Viconia De'vir, or am i mad?

If you look at other characters... Joker is a but Neut good... Chakwas i a bit Neut good as well... I think that Kelly is a little True Neutral...

Viconia's actress did Nassana Dantius in ME1. (Just looked it up)

[aaniadyen]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

aaniadyen wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Does Chakwas sound like Viconia De'vir, or am i mad?

They have similar accents. That's about it.

Shepard: lets toast to trust...
Chakwas: Trust is for the foolish, and the drunk, i'd drink to that.

Oh, I never chose that option. *shrugs* Yeah. I guess so =P

[jtav]

Miranda: Lawful Neutral tending toward evil. After resigning from Cerberus: True Neutral tending toward Good



Jacob: Neutral Good



Mordin: Chaotic Good



Garrus: Chaotic Good



Grunt: Chaotic Neutral tending toward evil



Jack: Chaotic Evil



Tali: Chautic Good



Samara: Lawful Good



Thane: Lawful Evil in backstory, currently Lawful Neutral



Legion: True Neutral

[Speakeasy13]

Borschtbeet wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

How is Zaeed evil, or even a scumbag? Did you listen to any of his dialogues onboard Normandy or during missions? He has killed pirates and slavers, saved children along his mission and save freighters from Krogan raiders. Hell, he gives more of a damn about saving human lives than most of your squad mates. Chaotic Neutral is obviously a better suited designation for Zaeed.

Grunt is more Chaotic Neutral for me. Don't think anyone who fights for fun can be classified as "good".

Agreed with Morinth being neutral.

Any act of good he did was only because he got paid for it.  When acting on his own he puts his own selfish desires above what is best.  We saw it in his loyalty mission when he let his petty revenge come at the cost of many innocent lives.
He's a scumbag.  Not to say thats a bad thing.  I'm glad the squad in Mass Effect 2 is diverse and I liked Zaeed.

I'm afraid I must disagree with you. Even Zaeed himself admits to being blinded by rage on his loyalty mission if you paragoned him into being loyal. I don't think that one action can define his whole character. If he were really Chaotic Evil and you let his archnemesis get away, don't you think he'd asked for more money or simply shoot you in the face after you helped him out of predicament?

Again, I'd ask you to listen to some of his conversations and rethink your designation. It's apparent that he has helped people out of sheer goodwill without being paid, such as picking up a little girl on a mission from Omega and saving her. The genuine pride in such "good" actions and distaste for evil actions (i.e. using innocent people as bait, killing people for fun) that he displays during these conversations would suggest obvious enough that he is NOT an evil character.

Regarding your comments about him being paid, take him to Illium. There he'd trigger a dialogue about how much he cared about each job he's getting and that he's not concerned with only getting "paid".

Modifié par Speakeasy13, 20 février 2010 - 05:15 .

[The_mango55]

Paragon shep: neutral good

Renegade shep: true neutral



Just wanting good outcomes isn't enough to make one a good person.