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[WilliamShatner]

Subject Zero = Chaotic Stupid.

[Markinator_123]

Paragon Shep: lawful good in ME1 and neutral good in ME2

Renegade Shep: Chaotic Neutral

Garrus: Chaotic good

Tali; Neutral good

Jacob: Neutral good

Miranda: Lawful neutral

Samara; Lawful neutral

Thane: True Neutral

Jack: Chaotic Evil

Zaeed: Chaotic neutral

Grunt: True Neutral

Legion: True Neutral

Mordin: True Neutral

Illusive man: lawful evil

[Gill Kaiser]

Paragon Shepard: Anything from Lawful Good to Chaotic Good to Lawful Neutral (to Lawful Stupid)
Renegade Shepard: Anything from Chaotic Good to Neutral Evil (to Chaotic Stupid)

Samara: Lawful Good
Tali: Neutral Good
Jacob: Neutral Good
Garrus: Chaotic Good
Mordin: Chaotic Good
Miranda: Lawful Neutral
Thane: True Neutral bordering on Neutral Good
Legion: True Neutral
Grunt: Chaotic Neutral
Jack: Chaotic Neutral bordering on Chaotic Evil
Zaeed: Neutral Evil
Morinth: Neutral Evil

Illusive Man: Lawful Evil
Captain Anderson: Neutral Good
Ambassador Udina: Lawful Evil
The Council: Neutral Stupid

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 28 février 2010 - 10:56 .

[Fjordgnu]

Borschtbeet wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

How is Zaeed evil, or even a scumbag? Did you listen to any of his dialogues onboard Normandy or during missions? He has killed pirates and slavers, saved children along his mission and save freighters from Krogan raiders. Hell, he gives more of a damn about saving human lives than most of your squad mates. Chaotic Neutral is obviously a better suited designation for Zaeed.

Grunt is more Chaotic Neutral for me. Don't think anyone who fights for fun can be classified as "good".

Agreed with Morinth being neutral.

Any act of good he did was only because he got paid for it.  When acting on his own he puts his own selfish desires above what is best.  We saw it in his loyalty mission when he let his petty revenge come at the cost of many innocent lives.
He's a scumbag.  Not to say thats a bad thing.  I'm glad the squad in Mass Effect 2 is diverse and I liked Zaeed.

Zaeed burns down a refinery so he can have his revenge, with no regard whatsoever for the innocents trapped inside. You must never have done his mission to suggest he's not in some sense evil ( neutral evil, I suspect - doing only as he himself pleases ). 

[MaaZeus]

Tali: Neutral good. She lives in enviroment where its important to follow rules for the sake of the well being of whole flotilla and she does it, but doesnt mean that she wont give her own opinions about them.



Thane. Started out True Neutral as he was an assassin, just a weapon. Later after her wife woke her up, he became Chaotic Good or Neutral Good. He is cleaning out the bad people. He knows what he does is sin, but still does it to save others.



Garrus: Chaoti Good. A vigilante extremely strong sense of justice to the point that rules and regulations are hinderance.



Legion: True Neutral. He is an artificial construct that follows logic only. No moral compass or anything.



Jack: Starts out as Chaotic Evil for obvious reasons. Though it isnt exactly her fault, and as you make hew open up her alignment changes.



Morinth: Something between Chaotic Evil and Neutral Evil. While she is a victim of her genes, she still takes pleasure in suffering and lusts for power she gains from it. She is evil to the core.



Samara: Lawful Neutral. She follows her strict code without question. While it aims to do good and spread justice, it also makes her to do extreme things that are not good. She knows this and still doesnt question it a one bit.

[wizardryforever]

I fail to see all these arguments about Samara being Lawful Neutral instead of Lawful Good.  She follows a code rigorously, a code that compels her to do good far more often than not.  Why is that not good?  She never kills the innocent except when she has no choice, like when they prevent her from pursuing justice.  She tries to find loopholes in her code that allow her to spare the innocent, like with the detective in her recruitment mission.  So she follows her code above all else, but she does good whenever possible.  That just spells Lawful Good to me, with emphasis on the Lawful.  I find that (as long as we're labeling people) the people who claim Samara is "Lawful Stupid" are themselves Chaotic. 

[MaaZeus]

wizardryforever wrote...

I fail to see all these arguments about Samara being Lawful Neutral instead of Lawful Good.  She follows a code rigorously, a code that compels her to do good far more often than not.  Why is that not good?  She never kills the innocent except when she has no choice, like when they prevent her from pursuing justice.  She tries to find loopholes in her code that allow her to spare the innocent, like with the detective in her recruitment mission.  So she follows her code above all else, but she does good whenever possible.  That just spells Lawful Good to me, with emphasis on the Lawful.  I find that (as long as we're labeling people) the people who claim Samara is "Lawful Stupid" are themselves Chaotic. 

Its a POV thing. I consider myself Chaotic Good in ME2 aswell as IRL. Strong sense of justice but I still see a lot of shades of grey, and the way Samara sometimes does is not what I consider good and justified no matter what her goal is. Hence Lawful Neutral in my eyes.

[chool77]

chaotic neutral


a man lays down dying " when i die ... *cough cough* ... tell my wife i said .... hello.. gaaalll"

the guards over his body  " my god ... what would causes a man to have such neutrality in his heart":crying:

[Borschtbeet]

I think after bringing Zaeed along with me to Jack's loyalty mission he reveals some dialogue which shows that he has some moral standards which prevent him from doing things which are exceptionally evil.



He says he will not kill kids. Perhaps he is more chaotic neutral.

[Ferinith]

The problem with labeling alignments is that alignment may change during a game. I've had several years of DnD and DMing and all I can say is, even if you label your character 'chaotic good' or 'true neutral' chances are, your character will be faced with things that WILL change their alignment or cause them to do something outside their natural personality path.
The assesment that Samra is Lawful Good is semi-correct in my book. Paladins will gladly kill anyone outside their code of ethics (IE a starving person who steals thus breaking the law) and Samara is the same. Just because the title has 'good' in it, doesn't mean that person is the epitomy of 'good' -- it means they have the acceptable standard of being 'good' in that society or world or whatever. 

Just like 'evil' may be percieved as good in some instances where let say, there is a leader-for-life type who despite his overall control of the land, may protect and keep his people safe from outside harm despite the fact he may be considered a 'tyrant' from outsiders who disagree with his policies. Think the Emperor from Star Wars. To the Rebels, he was an evil bastard, but from some point of views, he united the galaxy together. Emperor Qin Shi Huang united all of China and kill thousands to do so -- but is not considered evil by history.  

Fjordgnu wrote...

Borschtbeet wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

How is Zaeed evil, or even a scumbag? Did you listen to any of his dialogues onboard Normandy or during missions? He has killed pirates and slavers, saved children along his mission and save freighters from Krogan raiders. Hell, he gives more of a damn about saving human lives than most of your squad mates. Chaotic Neutral is obviously a better suited designation for Zaeed.

Grunt is more Chaotic Neutral for me. Don't think anyone who fights for fun can be classified as "good".

Agreed with Morinth being neutral.

Any act of good he did was only because he got paid for it.  When acting on his own he puts his own selfish desires above what is best.  We saw it in his loyalty mission when he let his petty revenge come at the cost of many innocent lives.
He's a scumbag.  Not to say thats a bad thing.  I'm glad the squad in Mass Effect 2 is diverse and I liked Zaeed.

Zaeed burns down a refinery so he can have his revenge, with no regard whatsoever for the innocents trapped inside. You must never have done his mission to suggest he's not in some sense evil ( neutral evil, I suspect - doing only as he himself pleases ). 

To be fair to him, setting it on fire was an accident. I'm assuming he just meant to blow up Vido not the entire complex. I'd say his alignment changes from neutral evil to chaotic neutral depending on the situation. It's ALLOWED to do so. Gasp! You mean, humans are complicated and given extreme circumstances will do things they never intended do because they are blindsighted by grief/rage/euphoria? Say it isn't so! D:

At that point in the game, I believe Zaeed is so caught up with catching someone who completely shattered his life, he's willing to leave those people. And you have no idea if they were really 'innocents' in that oil refinery. Maybe one of them was a thief or rapist? It's like Enyala on Illuim -- you think she's 'innocent', but the truth comes to light and she isn't. In this instance, my RenShep did the right thing in killing her and the Paragon option was the 'wrong'  (if you can even class it as wrong) choice.

It's all about perception in some cases. ((Can you tell I've been playing Heavy Rain, lol?))

[Ferinith]

Blah. Double post.

Modifié par Ferinith, 06 mars 2010 - 10:01 .

[Borschtbeet]

Yeah I agree with all of that. This thread is just for fun. I wouldn't actually want a D&D alignment chart or anything similar for Mass Effect.

[superimposed]

Everyone is chaotic evil.

[GodWood]

Tali is more neutral good than lawful good. (why do people keep thinking she is)

[superimposed]

She's Chaotic Evil too.

Notice how she bends Shep to her will? She gets him to speak on her behalf, gets him to with hold the information, gets him in bed because she needs some lovin. Everything is for her own benefit, consequences be damned.