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[Terraneaux]

shinobi602 wrote...

I was under the impression that the Akuze incident and experiments were not sanctioned by Cerberus but part of a...."rogue" Cerberus element, sort of like the facility that housed Jack.

No evidence to think so.  In any case, TIM is still responsible for what happened to Jack, it was under his authority.  TIM has a remarkable habit of calling out cells of his organization as 'rogue' whenever they do anything not appreciated by the cast, which is strange considering it's mentioned that he purposely keeps his organization smaller than it could be so that he is capable of overseeing as much of it as he can.

[Terraneaux]

anmiro wrote...

lol. So lame. "You mean when your pro-human organization fed a bunch of humans to a thresher maw? Yeah I'm still bitter about it."

I think we've figured out the dark secret behind Cerberus... they're a pro-thresher maw organization!

[Snowraptor]

i realy would like to see more references to shepards past from dialuge with companions or at least Love intersts, and i was pissed off to see only miri new of sheps past or talked about it, ok so tali mentions past missions but that dont count, me 3 better make up for the personall backgrounds, **** the devs have so much work to do for me3

[Skilled Seeker]

It was probably a rogue cell that TIM did not know about.

[Terraneaux]

They could handle things like they did in ME1, where you do, say, the Toombs mission regardless, but then there are additional elements to the story if you have the particular background.

[Jarcander]

Yesh.



I forgot all about it when TIM held all these shiny things, especially the ship, in front of my face. And I do "play my character". My Shep was just immensely grateful to TIM and Cerberus for bringing him back alive and trying to solve this mystery of missing colonist that he always took their side, even in Horizon with Ash. It got even easier on renegade playthru.



My paragon would've prefered a neutral answer for the last with TIM and would've tried to reason with the guy. Sadly, there was no such option.

[flem1]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

It was probably a rogue cell that TIM did not know about.

Given what EDI tells you (no more than 12 cells at once -- only *three* at the moment -- so that TIM can keep personal tabs on every project), either TIM is the most gullible human alive or this oft-repeated excuse is total baloney.

[anmiro]

There have been so many threads about how Cerberus isn't that bad, for other backgrounds I can see how that may be true. But if your Shepard was on Akuze, I don't see how he could ever align himself with TIM.

[Terraneaux]

anmiro wrote...

There have been so many threads about how Cerberus isn't that bad, for other backgrounds I can see how that may be true. But if your Shepard was on Akuze, I don't see how he could ever align himself with TIM.

I could see it as long as there was some dialog about how you're just taking the opportunity to stab TIM in the back a bit down the road.  It would have been easy to justify the main story if there was a situation like this.  Instead, you're left defending Cerberus like a sputtering idiot to your ME1 LI.  

[Lightice_av]

But if your Shepard was on Akuze, I don't see how he could ever align himself with TIM.

No other choice at the time - you have to work with what you got. My sole survivor paragon Shepard swallows her pride temporarily for the sake of humanity, but she keeps the incriminating data about Cerberus you get from a side-mission on her person until she'll discover the best possible way to use it against the organization. Subverting the entire crew of Normandy, not to mention the ship itself away from them felt pretty sweet, too.

[Martian_Dude]

Yeah, I also had the sole survivor background.

I just wish we got one line at the start like:



"I'm not doing this for you, I'm doing this for humanity. And I swear when this is over you will answer for what happened on Akuze."



TIM doesn't even need a vocal response. Just give us one line of dialog to remind us that our sheps had a past...

[Beholderess]

anmiro wrote...

I would have been happy with one extra choice of dialogue at any point of this game. When any member of my crew is telling me why they joined Cerberus and how they're really not that bad, I'd like to be able to say "You know they fed my entire unit to a thresher maw Akuze just to see what would happen right?"

Exactly.

[Beholderess]

shinobi602 wrote...

I was under the impression that the Akuze incident and experiments were not sanctioned by Cerberus but part of a...."rogue" Cerberus element, sort of like the facility that housed Jack.

Or at least TIM and Miranda would tell you that

[cutthecameras]

I nervously (and suddenly) glanced at a group of people the other day when I thought I overheard them say 'Akuze'...it turns out they had actually said "A cue" in a weird accent.



Oh well...

NEVER FORGET

[Cutlass Jack]

anmiro wrote...

Does anyone else feel like the Sole Survivor Shepard did not get his due. Granted that War Hero and Ruthless didn't really get anything beyond a news report either, but Sole Survivor is so much more relevant in this game. Cerberus is responsible for the death of his whole unit. I understand that all life as we know it is on the line and we should put the past aside, but it seems like the Sole Survivor should have had a lot more to say to TIM.

It bothered me alot. Specifically when you're in the shuttle with Jacob and Miranda and they're actually asking you questions about your experience on Akuze. It was completely rediculous that they didn't give a dialogue option to give them hell about it right then.

[Vlainstrike]

[quote]flem1 wrote...

[quote]Skilled Seeker wrote...

It was probably a rogue cell that TIM did not know about.[/quote]
Given what EDI tells you (no more than 12 cells at once -- only *three* at the moment -- so that TIM can keep personal tabs on every project), either TIM is the most gullible human alive or this oft-repeated excuse is total baloney.
[/quote]

QFT, and given that intelligence is TIM's 'currency in trade' there is no freakin way he was oblivious to the goings on of all these apparent rogue cells, especially long term projects like Jack's that span years.

It's no surprise that TIM's character would use denial as a common tool for leveraging Shepard (I mean plausible deniability is pretty much a given SOP for any black ops outfit), but it's a kinda amusing to see so many posters swallow his denials as though they are God's honest truth.

Kinda makes you wonder if there are any cells in Cerberus that wouldn't be labeled 'rogue' in a pinch.


[quote]anmiro wrote...

I would have been happy with one extra choice of dialogue at any point of this game. When any member of my crew is telling me why they joined Cerberus and how they're really not that bad, I'd like to be able to say "You know they fed my entire unit to a thresher maw Akuze just to see what would happen right?"[/quote] 
[/quote]
^ this ^

Modifié par Vlainstrike, 21 février 2010 - 12:37 .

[Homebound]

anmiro wrote...

Does anyone else feel like the Sole Survivor Shepard did not get his due.

Yes.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Terraneaux wrote...
I could see it as long as there was some dialog about how you're just taking the opportunity to stab TIM in the back a bit down the road.  It would have been easy to justify the main story if there was a situation like this.  Instead, you're left defending Cerberus like a sputtering idiot to your ME1 LI.  

There is not a single point in the game where you're forced into taking a dialogue choice where Shepard defends Cerberus. Every time someone questions you about it, you always get the choice to defend them or to make it clear that it's just a marriage of convenience and you're not working for them for any kind of long term goals. Almost every dialogue choice you get with the Illusive Man shows that you do not trust him or want to work with him.

Quite frankly, I think there's plenty of chances to blow off Cerberus in this game, the ending decision being an absolutely huge one.

[Fates end]

Yeah, I really wish there was a "Gah! You killed my entire unit! now you die!" option in the dialogue

[BHRamsay]

In all likelihood even if the DEVS had put something in-game about it it would have amounted to Miranda and TIM dismissing Akuze as a rouge cell. I mean she does that after Jack's Loyalty mission. That having been said with seventeen N7 missions it would have been nice if one or two had background specific details. Like the crashed and abandoned ship you find being the first ship Hannah Shepard ever served on or some such

[Durka531]

higheternity.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-2-Sole-Survivor-153310394

I know what you mean, I would have preferred something like this

Modifié par Durka531, 21 février 2010 - 11:38 .

[Beholderess]

Durka531 wrote...

higheternity.deviantart.com/art/Mass-Effect-2-Sole-Survivor-153310394

I know what you mean, I would have preferred something like this

Good one!
My thoughts exactly.

[Keltoris]

Movodor wrote...

anmiro wrote...

I would have been happy with one extra choice of dialogue at any point of this game. When any member of my crew is telling me why they joined Cerberus and how they're really not that bad, I'd like to be able to say "You know they fed my entire unit to a thresher maw Akuze just to see what would happen right?"

This. So very much.

Miranda: Cerberus isn't all bad.
Shepard: Your scientists fed me to thresher maws.
Miranda: ... um... ****....
Shepard: I should go.


Also could have used it when talking to Jack "You don't know what it was like Shepard"..

Modifié par Keltoris, 21 février 2010 - 11:48 .

[Archilochos]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

It was probably a rogue cell that TIM did not know about.

Given all the references in game to rogue Creberus cells, this seems to be the likely organization.  Also, if I remember correctly, Miranda says something about the ME1 Cerberus cells being part of their military operations, and distant from TIM+CO to begin with.  At the very least, SurvivorShep (and Jack) should be able to note to TIM+CO that it's not such a good idea to run your extravagantly funded clandestine organization in such a way as to allow high risk projects of questionable morality to run themselves with no oversight or threat of negative consequences while providing nigh-unlimited funding.

Then there's the more likely observation: The boss is supposed to know what his staff is up to.  TIM's choice: is he amoral, or just incompetent?  We're clearly supposed to think he's highly competent, so...