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[Leather_Rebel90]

marshalleck wrote...

Spectre_Shepard wrote...

i certainly had a problem.

i spent most of the game wanting to send miranda out an airlock. i wouldve blown TIM away given the option.

telling him to screw off will have to do

You could just not play the game, and pretend your Shepard dramatically yelled "I'll never join you!" before throwing him/herself out an airlock.

I love how ignorant fools say this all the time. People issue a comment about the game or ask a simple question that addresses the game in a negative manner and all the fanboys starting screaming "THEN DON'T PLAY IT THEN!"

[Asheer_Khan]

My current (yet to be imported )full Paragon Shepard have Spacer/War hero background but she have already wiped out too many Cerberus agents to and sees too many Cerberus related horrors: Feros, Noveria (by the way i have weird fellings that ExoGeni is one of the officially/secret Cerberus cells) Alpha and Tetha lissening posts (overrun by Rachni dropped from supply ship which comes from one of the Cerberus owned stations) and of course Cpr Tumbs and Adm Kahoku to ever willingly consider work for Cerberus in this lifetime and Timmy known that way too well.

That's why he need to set up Shepard to face unrejectable proposition.
During one of my plays (other char) i decided to actually check some of the Galactic News and what i heard made me little stunned.
Right now Shepard is considered within Citadel Space as traitor and consider as a threat for Citadel Space.
Those news only confirm my suspicious that Timmy used whole two years when Shepard was "rebuild" to practicly destroyed her respect within Citadel Space (that's explain Ashley's acting on Horizon, Council rather cold approach, and very reserve behavior of Anderson.) when Shepard have not a slightest chance to defend herself laying on operation table whole time.<_<
And two years is in off time to destroyed even noblest reputation especially if subject of such gossips and rumors is unable to deny or confirm them.
Beside Timmy himself confirm after Horizon that he did create a leaks about Shepard's work whit Cerberus.

I honestly think that Bioware owns us (at least Paragon Players) SERIOUS AND SINCERE APOLOGY! for ME 2 and core scenario approach.
Why i have weird felling that scenario writer base ME 2 start on his own RENEGADE game end (if he EVER PLAY ) of ME 1 because default game renegade start is ridiculous.
I am sorry for this rant here but i seriously will wait for many different reviews about ME 3 before i buy (IF I BUY AT ALL) that part because right now my trust in Biowares's ability to create really good plot is shattered like my Shepard's reputation.

You might say that Cerberus was the only organization whit ability to revive Shepard...
First of all if not Timmys back seat "moderations" She would propably never faced attack of the Collectors on theoretically invisible ship and because of this never died...

BUT NO... Shepard actually stand now before situation without a suitable for paragon's choice to turn back and leave without even a word of explanation why she won't work whit Cerberus at all.
Now i think in ME 3 my Para Shepard will spend half time of the game to repair her reputation after severing ties whit Timmy within Citadel Space instead of focusing on reapers...

But at least i decided to hit Timmy's soft spot and converted Miranda and Jacob to my cause showing them what Cerberus really is (it was really sweet to watch Miri saying "I am quit" in Timmy's face.) and now i have ship whit own soul, loyal crew and companions and to complete that so to speak "collection" i need LIARA:wub: and Ash back on board to finish off Timmy and kick off  reapers rears back to dark space:devil:.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 21 février 2010 - 12:16 .

[Ulicus]

I wonder... is there anything that TIM or Miranda could have said that would have even partially justified Akuze to a Sole Survivor? Assuming they didn't just go with the "rogue cell" handwave? I absolutely hate that I couldn't bring up Akuze with those guys... but I have to admit, if they revealed that their studies of the thresher maws and on the bodies of those who died (and, hell, even Toombs) led to the development of Medi-Gel (using Sirta as a front).... It'd still be an abominable act... but it'd muddy the waters a bit.

Man. It really sucks that Shepard can't flat out say "You fed me and fifty other marines to thresher maws on Akuze" when discussing Cerberus "crossing the line" with Miranda. It's not even an oversight: BioWare hasn't forgotten the link between Toombs, Akuze and Cerberus, as we can tell from the news and the email.

Unless TIM didn't bring a Sole Survivor back with "all" his memories.

Modifié par Ulicus, 21 février 2010 - 12:46 .

[anmiro]

I think an easy fix for all of this would be if Ashley/Kaiden had been taken by the Collectors on Horizon. If they had been taken it would have added such a feeling of urgency to stop the collectors that I would be willing to put the past behind me, if only temporarily.Think how much better the ending of this game would have been if you managed to save some of the Colonists from Horizon and been reunited with Ashley/Kaiden then and there. I think you would get a much warmer greeting than you do on Horizon and given us a much bigger sense of accomplishment.



But...should 'uh, would 'uh, could 'uh. I still love this game.

[nitefyre410]

You assuming that Miranda knew anything about Cerberus hand in what happened on Akuze. From what EDI tells more Cerberus cells don't know the others existence. Miranda and Jacob my not even know the Real Story of the Akuze only the standard version and thats the way T.I.M wanted it. As to way Shepherd never asked... Bigger fish fry at the moment and fact that he has nothing to threaten TIM with at the moment you can't just go after a man like TIM without having your deck in order

[nitefyre410]

anmiro wrote...

I think an easy fix for all of this would be if Ashley/Kaiden had been taken by the Collectors on Horizon. If they had been taken it would have added such a feeling of urgency to stop the collectors that I would be willing to put the past behind me, if only temporarily.Think how much better the ending of this game would have been if you managed to save some of the Colonists from Horizon and been reunited with Ashley/Kaiden then and there. I think you would get a much warmer greeting than you do on Horizon and given us a much bigger sense of accomplishment.

But...should 'uh, would 'uh, could 'uh. I still love this game.

    

No against  you but  Why is it that most people have an issue with Relationships ending because of the crappy circumstances. Even in the email you get from Ashely/Kaiden they apologize but for the most it just that you are and her/him are two different people.   I  Liked the Horizon  meeting an through Ashley reaction did pissed me off, it was in character for her she is not the gushy  type  she likely punch you  and storm off than to break down in tears.   

[vigna]

Borschtbeet wrote...

My Paragon Shepard is a sole survivor. I kind of compensate for it by being as mistrusting towards Cerberus as possible.

Yep...don't trust them. In ME3 my Shep wants to wear tinfoil on his head.

[Stengahpolis]

I totally agree. Given my infiltrator's history, he was forced into working with Cerberus without nearly enough protest.



During the shuttle ride, I took the middle option because it was the closet to '**** you'



I also feel that there weren't nearly enough opportunities to tell Timmy to go **** himself.

Come to think of it, there needs to be a 'go **** yourself' option in every dialog, especially when talking to Kaidan on horizon. He goes on and on about how he can't believe you're working with Cerbrerus and how you're a traitor, and it just makes you want to knock the **** out of him and say:

'They fed my entire unit to thresher maws. Compared to me you don't have a reason to mildly dislike them.'



At least now that I've seduced Miranda away from Cerberus, I'll be able to get her to tell me where Timmy's office is. I've got a .50 cal round with his name on it.

[Urazz]

anmiro wrote...

Terraneaux wrote...

anmiro wrote...

OverlordNexas wrote...

Its especially glaring as Miranda and Jacob ASK you what happened on Akuze, but you get no option to tell them that it was Cerberus's fault

Really, when does this happen?

In the shuttle immediately after the Lazarus project station at the beginning of the game.

lol. So lame. "You mean when your pro-human organization fed a bunch of humans to a thresher maw? Yeah I'm still bitter about it."

Nah, I just shot the scientist myself.  Calmed all my rage issues about Akuze.  Didn't make me trust Cerberus at all though in ME2 other than the squad and the Normandy II's crew.

[catelee2u]

anmiro wrote...

There have been so many threads about how Cerberus isn't that bad, for other backgrounds I can see how that may be true. But if your Shepard was on Akuze, I don't see how he could ever align himself with TIM.

I felt like that too but rationalised that you wake up from dead stuck in a circumstance so initially theres no going anywhere but on the new Normandy and even if  Shephard
 intended to leave Cerberus etc the greater threat of the collectors is more immediately imminent and yeah she (my femshep) could leave the Normandy and get a new ship and tell TIM  to go **** himself the Normandy is still the best damn ship out there and she likes keeping the enemy close.

[anmiro]

nitefyre410 wrote...

anmiro wrote...

I think an easy fix for all of this would be if Ashley/Kaiden had been taken by the Collectors on Horizon. If they had been taken it would have added such a feeling of urgency to stop the collectors that I would be willing to put the past behind me, if only temporarily.Think how much better the ending of this game would have been if you managed to save some of the Colonists from Horizon and been reunited with Ashley/Kaiden then and there. I think you would get a much warmer greeting than you do on Horizon and given us a much bigger sense of accomplishment.

But...should 'uh, would 'uh, could 'uh. I still love this game.

    

No against  you but  Why is it that most people have an issue with Relationships ending because of the crappy circumstances. Even in the email you get from Ashely/Kaiden they apologize but for the most it just that you are and her/him are two different people.   I  Liked the Horizon  meeting an through Ashley reaction did pissed me off, it was in character for her she is not the gushy  type  she likely punch you  and storm off than to break down in tears.   

I just don't like the Horizon reunion. Mainly, because Kaiden and Ashley were 2 very different people, but they respond the same way, even if you had a relationship.

Also, there is absolutely no explanation for how they avoid being taken. They are one of the first people to be hit by the seeker swarms. This information could have really helped further down the line and is the main reason we brought Mordin on board.

[Nightwriter]

Ah yes, "Akuze".

[Vlainstrike]

anmiro wrote...

I think an easy fix for all of this would be if Ashley/Kaiden had been taken by the Collectors on Horizon. If they had been taken it would have added such a feeling of urgency to stop the collectors that I would be willing to put the past behind me, if only temporarily.Think how much better the ending of this game would have been if you managed to save some of the Colonists from Horizon and been reunited with Ashley/Kaiden then and there. I think you would get a much warmer greeting than you do on Horizon and given us a much bigger sense of accomplishment.

But...should 'uh, would 'uh, could 'uh. I still love this game.

Omg, you're totally right.  That's something I hadn't considered on my first playthrough - not only would it have been much more believable than having Ashley/Kaiden miraculously escape being 'collected', it would have had a much more significant emotional impact if their lives had been among those at stake in the suicide mission that you could potentially lose by post-poning the mission too long.

Wow, now that I think about it, i can't believe the devs didn't take that route.

Modifié par Vlainstrike, 21 février 2010 - 01:49 .

[Nightwriter]

anmiro wrote...

I think an easy fix for all of this would be if Ashley/Kaiden had been taken by the Collectors on Horizon. If they had been taken it would have added such a feeling of urgency to stop the collectors that I would be willing to put the past behind me, if only temporarily.Think how much better the ending of this game would have been if you managed to save some of the Colonists from Horizon and been reunited with Ashley/Kaiden then and there. I think you would get a much warmer greeting than you do on Horizon and given us a much bigger sense of accomplishment.

But...should 'uh, would 'uh, could 'uh. I still love this game.

I actually thought of this, too. Except I applied it to all the LIs, including Liara, and not just Ash/Kaidan.

But then I thought that the problem would then be that you're not as likely to romance new characters. If your old LI has been abducted and you're on a mission to save them, would you be as inclined to romance someone else?

And since the writers clearly did everything they could to make these new romances happen, I could see them not going this route.

[anmiro]

Nightwriter wrote...

anmiro wrote...

I think an easy fix for all of this would be if Ashley/Kaiden had been taken by the Collectors on Horizon. If they had been taken it would have added such a feeling of urgency to stop the collectors that I would be willing to put the past behind me, if only temporarily.Think how much better the ending of this game would have been if you managed to save some of the Colonists from Horizon and been reunited with Ashley/Kaiden then and there. I think you would get a much warmer greeting than you do on Horizon and given us a much bigger sense of accomplishment.

But...should 'uh, would 'uh, could 'uh. I still love this game.

I actually thought of this, too. Except I applied it to all the LIs, including Liara, and not just Ash/Kaidan.

But then I thought that the problem would then be that you're not as likely to romance new characters. If your old LI has been abducted and you're on a mission to save them, would you be as inclined to romance someone else?

And since the writers clearly did everything they could to make these new romances happen, I could see them not going this route.

Your right, if your love interest was Kaiden or Ashley this would have prevented any new relationships. But it would also would have built on the pre-existing one. And it only applies if Liara wasn't your love interest.

[jklinders]

Shepard should have been ****ting red hot coal and throwing it at the Illusive man and Miranda like confetti. Frankly I was hoping for a bit more fire on the topic. Even a Miranda, remember that long scar on my left side? That was from a Cerberus experiment where someone thought it would be informing to see what a thresher maw could do to a squad. No **** it is lethal and hurts.

[Ulicus]

I almost wish that Kaidan/Ashley had just properly moved on without any of this weird "limbo" stuff getting in the way. Seeing Shepard on Horizon reawakens old feelings, but they're committed to other people now and he's working with Cerberus and stuff so "grr, argh!".



Then, when they returned in ME3, their romance could be the stereotypical "old flame gets heart racing once again". It'd have actually been kind of interesting to get Ashden cheating on/breaking up with THEIR current LI for Shepard in ME3. Nevermind, c'est la vie.

[jklinders]

Beholderess wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

I was under the impression that the Akuze incident and experiments were not sanctioned by Cerberus but part of a...."rogue" Cerberus element, sort of like the facility that housed Jack.

Or at least TIM and Miranda would tell you that

Ah yes a "rouge cell" bah we have dismissed that claim.

I love me my arrogant turian councillor:wizard:

[Nightwriter]

I don’t know what you all are complaining about. The answer is obvious.



When TIM had Shepard rebuilt he erased Shepard’s memory that Cerberus was behind the massacre.



Duh.



Later on, off camera, Jacob actually says tentatively, “Uh, Commander… you’re not still holding a grudge about Kahoku or anything, are you?”



“Who?”



“Never mind.”



“Uh, okay.”



“Ahem… (Taylor to Lawson. Project Erase was a success. Repeat, Project Erase was a success. The eagle has landed. The eagle has landed).”

[Ulicus]

Nightwriter wrote...

I don’t know what you all are complaining about. The answer is obvious.

When TIM had Shepard rebuilt he erased Shepard’s memory that Cerberus was behind the massacre.

Duh.

I mentioned this possibility. If they want to go down that route, I wouldn't mind... as long as the memory resurfaces and there's payoff.

It would mean that Shep might've freaked out a little bit when he got that message from Toombs, or heard about the Cerberus involvement with him on the news, however....

[Ackillez]

The rogue cell/unforeseen mishap excuse was never plausible in any way coming from Cerberus. From what I've seen there's two projects ending in disaster for every single one that succeeds. ****, even project Lazarus ended in a massive robot uprising killing most of the crew on the space station.

[Sialater]

My Shep's a canny girl. She's perfectly capable of swallowing her need for ripping TIM's lungs out through his nostrils till after the Collectors are defeated. Also, the more she ****ed about it, the more warning they'd have. So, for now, sweep it under the carpet and start up the refrigeration process on her revenge.

[JamieCOTC]

Talk to Miranda a second time after completing her loyalty mission. (Where she apologizes for doubting your ability to command the mission). Tell her Cerberus is wrong and just before she goes on the defensive, Miranda admits to Cerberus's wrong doing in the past. It's very easy to miss. I didn't catch it until my 3rd playthrough. It's a blanket statement about Cerberus in the past, which most likely covers Akuze. There are also references to Cerberus's "dark past" throughout the game.



That said, I agree w/ the OP. To add insult to injury, Akuze is brought up in the "test" at the beginning of the game. A sentence or two about how Cerberus ruined Shepard's life would have been nice. Jacob and Miranda could have defended the "kinder, gentler" Cerberus of today. I don't know. My Shepard warmed up to the crew pretty quickly, and to Jacob almost as quickly. She finally even learned to respect Miranda, though keep her at arms length. TIM, however, that bit where Shep and he can't be in the same room at the same time, smart move.



Personally, I have to wonder if this is as much a case where the devs dropped the ball or BW just oversold the personalization of the game. Then again, no one ever said that Shep's past was going to matter, just the decisions of ME1. Still ...