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[-Slavik_Kane-]

I like Cerberus probably because they are the enemies of the council and I wish i let them die in ME1 and as for Akuze come on everyone knows if u want to stay alive around thresher maws just stand on the concret or really big rocks they basicly over sized graboids "tremors reference" so they did the universe a favor on Akuze they killed all the ppl who were to noobish to use there heads. Shepard being the only smart person in that unit obviosly. And yes because someone will ask i was being a smart *** when i made the tremors reference

[Master Smurf]

I too was a little pissed about this - In ME I made it my mission after finding out to snuff out every Cerberus plot but hell....



They gave me a ship and helped me recruit a crew to go after the main threat to civilization (that I vowed to stop) - Also along the way I did everything to thwart Cerberus from prospering, Renegade option cussed TIM out after the derelict reaper and in the end I blew up the base and took the Normandy.



Now if we are still Cerberus in ME3 I will be killing BW on this forum - gotta be a return to full SPECTRE status - fcuk Hackett, fcuk the Council, fcuk TIM - Reapers are the only thing in my sights

[Terraneaux]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

I mostly agree with what has been covered so far, dialogue options that show your disdain for Cerberus because of the loss of your squad on Akuze was needed, but killing TIM isn’t my style, sure I would bust in to his stupid office, break his face, tip over his chair, and blow up his collector base, but kill him? Naa that ain’t me. But more “I hate your guts” dialogue options would have been nice, I did my best to be as blunt as possible as to how much I resent being forced to ask for TIM’s and Cerberus help, but it still felt too soft.

My vote is either feed him to Morinth or a Thresher Maw.  In any case, it'd be a nice emotional moment for a Sole Survivor Shep to visit the memorial on Akuze and have a 'personal moment' after putting him down.  All the other members of your crew seem willing to put the mission to save the galaxy on hold due to their own personal baggage, why can't Shep do it once in a while.

[ExtremeOne]

LoweGear wrote...

You do get that e-mail from Toombs (if you have an import game) where he's very pissed off that you betray your ideals by joining Cerberus.

 


maybe he should have done something to help Shepard instead of doing nothing. I think Shepard should have did what Anakin did in Revenge of the Sith and killed Toombs and the rest of Cerberus's enemies and prove to everyone what happens when you stand in his way 

[Terraneaux]

ExtremeOne wrote...

LoweGear wrote...

You do get that e-mail from Toombs (if you have an import game) where he's very pissed off that you betray your ideals by joining Cerberus.

 


maybe he should have done something to help Shepard instead of doing nothing. I think Shepard should have did what Anakin did in Revenge of the Sith and killed Toombs and the rest of Cerberus's enemies and prove to everyone what happens when you stand in his way 

Toombs is an old squaddie, if you're a Sole Survivor.  If Shep is anything like the military folks I know, you don't sell out your squaddies like that.  Of course, Toombs did fire the first shot, so to speak, in that email, but I'd be upset if there isn't a resolution to that plot in ME3.

[anmiro]

We have already helped Toombs in ME1. Its time for Shep to get some closure by killing or arresting TIM.

[Terraneaux]

anmiro wrote...

We have already helped Toombs in ME1. Its time for Shep to get some closure by killing or arresting TIM.

Except we know TIM will probably avoid meeting Shep in person to avoid just such an eventuality.  It'd be hilarious to see a bait and switch go on where Shepard sics Toombs and his mercs on TIM and then when TIM's nuts are over the fire he finally has to call Shep to help him, thus allowing Shep to get close enough to take him down.  

Modifié par Terraneaux, 23 février 2010 - 03:27 .

[Awesome Helmet]

is akuze something like suze(subject zero)?



like akunamatada zebra?

[DarkNova50]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Terraneaux wrote...

My vote is either feed him to Morinth or a Thresher Maw.  In any case, it'd be a nice emotional moment for a Sole Survivor Shep to visit the memorial on Akuze and have a 'personal moment' after putting him down.  All the other members of your crew seem willing to put the mission to save the galaxy on hold due to their own personal baggage, why can't Shep do it once in a while.

Feeling a little Renegade are we, hahaha, but dig the idea, it would be just like a vietnam movie! But instead of the Vietnam War Memorial its Akuze, and shepard would give a mornful salute.

I think that would be a fantastic way to wrap up that particular origin story for Shepard...
But they definitely need to use this song during the salute.



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Modifié par DarkNova50, 23 février 2010 - 03:26 .

[Terraneaux]

DarkNova50 wrote...

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Terraneaux wrote...

My vote is either feed him to Morinth or a Thresher Maw.  In any case, it'd be a nice emotional moment for a Sole Survivor Shep to visit the memorial on Akuze and have a 'personal moment' after putting him down.  All the other members of your crew seem willing to put the mission to save the galaxy on hold due to their own personal baggage, why can't Shep do it once in a while.

Feeling a little Renegade are we, hahaha, but dig the idea, it would be just like a vietnam movie! But instead of the Vietnam War Memorial its Akuze, and shepard would give a mornful salute.

I think that would be a fantastic way to wrap up that particular origin story for Shepard...
But they definitely need to use song[/url] druing the salute.

I think your link's broken.

[DarkNova50]

Terraneaux wrote...

DarkNova50 wrote...

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Terraneaux wrote...

My vote is either feed him to Morinth or a Thresher Maw.  In any case, it'd be a nice emotional moment for a Sole Survivor Shep to visit the memorial on Akuze and have a 'personal moment' after putting him down.  All the other members of your crew seem willing to put the mission to save the galaxy on hold due to their own personal baggage, why can't Shep do it once in a while.

Feeling a little Renegade are we, hahaha, but dig the idea, it would be just like a vietnam movie! But instead of the Vietnam War Memorial its Akuze, and shepard would give a mornful salute.

I think that would be a fantastic way to wrap up that particular origin story for Shepard...
But they definitely need to use song[/url] druing the salute.

I think your link's broken.

Yeah I think so too.
Damn these forums are finicky as hell.

[Terraneaux]

Awesome Helmet wrote...

is akuze something like suze(subject zero)?

like akunamatada zebra?

Akuze is the planet where the 'incident' in the Sole Survivor background took place.  

[Alneverus]

My take of the entire Akuze situation is different with my character.



My paragon infiltrator knows that Cerberus was part of the Alliance at one time, as it was Alliance scientists that worked on the massacre on Akuze. He then learned of the organization's ties to the project, but it struck him as odd that Admiral Hackett stated that the project they were working on was sealed. Thus his conclusion that Cerberus was a part of the Alliance.



When you meet Kohokou and the entire Banes incident you learn about another project that was sealed, but the Alliance has a record of it. Through the Admiral's investigation you learn that Cerberus has 'gone rogue' from the Alliance. Investigations of their bases show that they were dealing with Thorian Creepers and Rachni.



In ME2 they spent a fortune to rebuild you and got a hold of enough information to build the SR2. For my Shep this is a pretty big confirmation that they are still working for the Alliance. The entire situation of them going rogue is just so the Alliance can deny any involvement with them but still perform the experiments that they want.



Think back to the Kinatics discussion. When Element Zero was discovered and they did their Biotic work they were considered golden. My thought is that certain people in the Alliance created the organization to do whatever they wanted to 'improve' humanity and make them the dominate race in the galaxy, but splint off the fallout from these activities by saying some 'rogue group' was doing it.



In the end my Shep accepted the fact he needed their resources to but another boot in a Reaper ass. Once the Reaper's have been dealt with Cerberus won't be needed and can be dealt with. Until then, he'll use them to get the job done.

[anmiro]

Alneverus wrote...

My take of the entire Akuze situation is different with my character.

My paragon infiltrator knows that Cerberus was part of the Alliance at one time, as it was Alliance scientists that worked on the massacre on Akuze. He then learned of the organization's ties to the project, but it struck him as odd that Admiral Hackett stated that the project they were working on was sealed. Thus his conclusion that Cerberus was a part of the Alliance.

When you meet Kohokou and the entire Banes incident you learn about another project that was sealed, but the Alliance has a record of it. Through the Admiral's investigation you learn that Cerberus has 'gone rogue' from the Alliance. Investigations of their bases show that they were dealing with Thorian Creepers and Rachni.

In ME2 they spent a fortune to rebuild you and got a hold of enough information to build the SR2. For my Shep this is a pretty big confirmation that they are still working for the Alliance. The entire situation of them going rogue is just so the Alliance can deny any involvement with them but still perform the experiments that they want.

Think back to the Kinatics discussion. When Element Zero was discovered and they did their Biotic work they were considered golden. My thought is that certain people in the Alliance created the organization to do whatever they wanted to 'improve' humanity and make them the dominate race in the galaxy, but splint off the fallout from these activities by saying some 'rogue group' was doing it.

In the end my Shep accepted the fact he needed their resources to but another boot in a Reaper ass. Once the Reaper's have been dealt with Cerberus won't be needed and can be dealt with. Until then, he'll use them to get the job done.

This is an interesting perspective and what that I have not heard. I forgot that Cerberus was part of the Alliance military.

[Ulicus]

They're probably not any more.

In ME1, Kahoku says: It was a group called Cerberus. An Alliance black ops organisation. Top secret, highest level security clearance. They vanished a few months ago. Dropped right off the grid. Nobody knew where they went or what they were up to. They’ve gone completely rogue, Shepard. They’re conducting illegal genetic experiments, trying to create some kind of super soldier!

Doesn't really match up with the backstory from ME2's codex, but who knows? Funny how there was none of this "pro human" stuff until Ascension rolled around, too. I almost wish ME2's "Cerberus" had been an entirely different organisation.

Modifié par Ulicus, 23 février 2010 - 05:12 .

[JamieCOTC]

Terraneaux wrote...

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

I mostly agree with what has been covered so far, dialogue options that show your disdain for Cerberus because of the loss of your squad on Akuze was needed, but killing TIM isn’t my style, sure I would bust in to his stupid office, break his face, tip over his chair, and blow up his collector base, but kill him? Naa that ain’t me. But more “I hate your guts” dialogue options would have been nice, I did my best to be as blunt as possible as to how much I resent being forced to ask for TIM’s and Cerberus help, but it still felt too soft.

My vote is either feed him to Morinth or a Thresher Maw.  In any case, it'd be a nice emotional moment for a Sole Survivor Shep to visit the memorial on Akuze and have a 'personal moment' after putting him down.  All the other members of your crew seem willing to put the mission to save the galaxy on hold due to their own personal baggage, why can't Shep do it once in a while.

My vote is to get EDI, Legion, and Liara to bankrupt his ass, then dump him on Omega. 

[RBP83]

As a sole survivor, I think I actually got more out of the game. Getting to take out that Thresher on Tuchanka kind of makes Grunt's Trial your own, in a way.

And blowing up the Collector Base is a pretty nice way of tell Cerberus to go to hell, thanks for bringing me back to life, giving me a new ship, and a crew.

The way I look at it is, SS Shep just played TIM for a fool.

Modifié par RBP83, 23 février 2010 - 05:46 .

[Sialater]

Revenge = Cerberus being your **** in ME3.

[Jaylarids]

Ulicus wrote...

They're probably not any more.

In ME1, Kahoku says: It was a group called Cerberus. An Alliance black ops organisation. Top secret, highest level security clearance. They vanished a few months ago. Dropped right off the grid. Nobody knew where they went or what they were up to. They’ve gone completely rogue, Shepard. They’re conducting illegal genetic experiments, trying to create some kind of super soldier!

Doesn't really match up with the backstory from ME2's codex, but who knows? Funny how there was none of this "pro human" stuff until Ascension rolled around, too. I almost wish ME2's "Cerberus" had been an entirely different organisation.

Perhaps it can be both. Take Section 31, from Star Trek. If you go from Enterprise Canon then they didn't justify themselves form Section 31 of the Federation Charter, but from Section 31 of the United Earth Government's charter. Apparently Section 31 wrote in Section 31 to give themselves justification. It could be a similar thing,
Cerebus the black-ops organization is infact a cell of the terrorist organization.

[Terraneaux]

Ulicus wrote...
Doesn't really match up with the backstory from ME2's codex, but who knows? Funny how there was none of this "pro human" stuff until Ascension rolled around, too. I almost wish ME2's "Cerberus" had been an entirely different organisation.

Yup, they retconned pretty hard to make Cerberus fit in ME2.  I think the Shadow Broker would have made more sense.

[didymos1120]

Akuze? I try not to think about Akuze....

[DesolCobra]

He can be tried under negligence since 1) the "rogue" cerberus unit is officially still under his responsibility [aka Duty of Care], 2) the Cerberus unit experimented on Jack and other kids to the point of torture and also a unit experimented on feeding alliance soldiers to thresher maw [aka. Breach of Duty], 3) Dmg done - lives of Sherpard's team, lives of other children with Jack and mental stability / future of Jack.

so no..he shouldn't have just gotten away with it cleanly!!!

Terraneaux wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

I was under the impression that the Akuze incident and experiments were not sanctioned by Cerberus but part of a...."rogue" Cerberus element, sort of like the facility that housed Jack.

No evidence to think so.  In any case, TIM is still responsible for what happened to Jack, it was under his authority.  TIM has a remarkable habit of calling out cells of his organization as 'rogue' whenever they do anything not appreciated by the cast, which is strange considering it's mentioned that he purposely keeps his organization smaller than it could be so that he is capable of overseeing as much of it as he can.

[Edgar1729]

I'm also playing a sole survivor and that Akuze thing was hurting me at the beginning.



But about some complaints I'm reading, you seem to forget that TIM is the one leading the dance till the very end. Though Shepard is a very badass, he/she doesn't regain control of the situation until she has the choice to blow up the Collector Station.



All TIM dialog's and missions sounds like Shepard is an underling of TIM...and that's what she/he is until the end of the game ! TIM outsmarts Shepard (and probably every other human being of the galaxy) till that famous choice. Remember Jacob mission ? When you're dismissed at the briefing by TIM like any other crew member. There are lots of moments like that during the game. In fact I loved that aspect of the game, Shepard wasn't really in charge in ME2, and that's fine by me. It's a sound choice : just because it's a RPG doesn't mean you'll be in total control.