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[Ulicus]

I'm not sure what Liara would contribute. She's an expert on the protheans, not what their descendants were mutated into. Sure, she'd be interested/horrified by what happened... but other than that? What could she say? The collectors aren't protheans.

[Vaenier]

Bioware was a bunch of idiots about using characters from ME1. Liara isnt even the same character, she is replaced by an evil clone meant to toy with Shepard's emotions.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Ulicus wrote...

I'm not sure what Liara would contribute. She's an expert on the protheans, not what their descendants were mutated into. Sure, she'd be interested/horrified by what happened... but other than that? What could she say? The collectors aren't protheans.

EDI has evidence about it though doesnt she?

[brusher225]

scyphozoa wrote...

yeah can you imagine how much cooler it would have been if Liara had been there on the collector ship. definitely a missed opportunity.

No doubt! That would've been cool! Just think of the possibilties for interesting dialog in that scenario.

[eternalnightmare13]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

I'm not sure what Liara would contribute. She's an expert on the protheans, not what their descendants were mutated into. Sure, she'd be interested/horrified by what happened... but other than that? What could she say? The collectors aren't protheans.

EDI has evidence about it though doesnt she?

True, but what else would Liara contribute?  Other then confirm what EDI found from the evidence on the Collector ship?

If anything it would've been more impactful for Liara to get the info from the Collector Ship and tell you what Mordrin does - about Collectors having no culture, simply cloning over and over.  No real intelligence.  I think that would've been an emotional moment for her.

[Nightwriter]

Liara is too busy going crazy and pulling her head dealies out over characters that don't matter to care about silly things like Protheans and saving the galaxy now.

[Ulicus]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

I'm not sure what Liara would contribute. She's an expert on the protheans, not what their descendants were mutated into. Sure, she'd be interested/horrified by what happened... but other than that? What could she say? The collectors aren't protheans.

EDI has evidence about it though doesnt she?

EDI uncovers that the collectors are descended/created from the protheans, yeah. I'm not sure what that difference that makes. The collectors are no longer protheans, nor do they make use of prothean tech or culture. Liara is a prothean expert. Not a collector expert.

[brusher225]

Tyreal42a wrote...

"She's consumed by vengeance now! Rawr!"

That's pretty much all Liara is now in ME2.

I agree with you on the Tali thing as well. But I would add in her lack of concern about EDI.

I agree1

[Spectre_Shepard]

bring 'em back. bring 'em all back!

[brusher225]

Frotality wrote...

she doesnt need to come with you; though OP brings up a good point that she would be the kind of expert to recruit; but at the very least we could maybe have a "so here's some collector genetic data; EDI says its heavily modified prothean DNA. pretty cool, huh? any tips on how to kill them?" conversation.

why they chose to sideline everything about liara's character for her brief appearance in ME2...sigh.

Very true!  Also  when they found out that what was always thought to be Prothean technology may have in fact been reaper tecnology all along? And who knows the most about Prothean, now reaper,  technology? You got it !

[DigitalMaster37]

I agree 100% OP.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Guess they couldnt let logical story questions like that get in the way of the series of disconnected recruitment and loyalty missions they had planned.

[The_mango55]

brusher225 wrote...

Frotality wrote...

she doesnt need to come with you; though OP brings up a good point that she would be the kind of expert to recruit; but at the very least we could maybe have a "so here's some collector genetic data; EDI says its heavily modified prothean DNA. pretty cool, huh? any tips on how to kill them?" conversation.

why they chose to sideline everything about liara's character for her brief appearance in ME2...sigh.

Very true!  Also  when they found out that what was always thought to be Prothean technology may have in fact been reaper tecnology all along? And who knows the most about Prothean, now reaper,  technology? You got it !

Uh, everyone knows about reaper technology, because that's what everyone in the galaxy uses every day. Modern galactic tech = prothean tech = reaper tech. Why would Liara know any more about it than a scientist or engineer like Mordin or Tali?

[lltoon]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Ah yes, "Liara"...

Ah yes...

[Ammonite]

It's a shame she's so fixated on the broker. She could have potentially made some serious waves in the interested academic circles with her new info on protheans.

[Nightwriter]

Face it guys. Liara doesn’t care about us anymore.
 
*sniffles*
 
Now she cares more about some stupid drell or something than she does about me. ME! *wipes tear* Me, who has to save the galaxy yet again and was hoping for the familiarity of her presence on the Normandy while surrounded by Cerberus…
 
Oh, but she has stuff to DO now. IMPORTANT stuff. People to flay… assistants to kill… galactic threats to ignore… o-old love interests to… t-turn the cold shoulder t-to…
 
*runs away crying*

[Wiggletphyre]

brusher225 wrote...

I have yet another complaint that Liara, the expert on the protheans, was never brought up when it was discovered that the Protheans do in fact still exist, and are being controlled by the Reapers. I mean DUH!!! Think Liara might want to know about that? Think Liara might have a little helpful analysis and input on the situation? How about AT LEAST asking her for her opinion? I mean she's only the formost mind in Prothean history and technology. She had devoted what, most of a hundred years of her life to studying the Protheans? To  just leave her out of an event like this., one which threatens Humanities very existance? I mean, please!!  Sorry, the little episode on Ilium don't cut it. She should've been right in the thick of it!  Weak, weak, weak I tell ya!

Otherwise great game, if  you also overlook the screw up with Tali not being more involved with the questioning of legion which I've alreay stated in another thread. 

Because she would feel lightheaded after discovering the protheans true fate, and she should go lie down. (after Dr. Chakwas took a look at her ofc)

Modifié par Wiggletphyre, 20 février 2010 - 11:44 .

[MikeFL25]

The Protheans don't exist any more, really. The Collectors are genetically modified and re-purposed Protheans, but they have been modified so much that they really aren't "Protheans" any more, but abominations of life. Even Mordin said that so much of their internal systems are run by cybernetics and there isn't any higher brain function, they are more like Prothean husks than anything else.



But that nitpick aside, I agree. Liara would be very interested to learn this. Another reason why I hate the "post-game" which allows you to fly around. It doesn't make sense because you cant do or say anything that indicates you succeeded in your mission. It should have just ended like ME1.

[Nozybidaj]

Apparently being an expert on the Protheans isn't "dark" and "amped up" enough to meet BW's standards these days.  

They don't consider a character "cool" unless they are threatening to flay people alive with their minds and having irrational homicidal vendettas.  Liara in ME2 according to BW standards is apparently a big success.  Who cares about things like character integrity and if the fans like it or not or if they wanted her to actually, you know, have a part in the game.   So long as Ray thinks the new version of the character is "hip" and "edgy", like a character out of a Rockstar game, it is apparently a winner. <_< 

[The Capital Gaultier]

Nozybidaj wrote...


Apparently being an expert on the Protheans isn't "dark" and "amped up" enough to meet BW's standards these days.  

They don't consider a character "cool" unless they are threatening to flay people alive with their minds and having irrational homicidal vendettas.  Liara in ME2 according to BW standards is apparently a big success.  Who cares about things like character integrity and if the fans like it or not or if they wanted her to actually, you know, have a part in the game.   So long as Ray thinks the new version of the character is "hip" and "edgy", like a character out of a Rockstar game, it is apparently a winner. <_< 

Christ, get over it.  Self-identity is one of the themes of ME2, and it differentiates it slightly from ME1.  You don't have to like BioWare's approach, but at least understand that almost everything was written quite deliberately.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Bonus!

Modifié par The Capital Gaultier, 21 février 2010 - 12:11 .

[KainrycKarr]

Nozybidaj wrote...


Apparently being an expert on the Protheans isn't "dark" and "amped up" enough to meet BW's standards these days.  

They don't consider a character "cool" unless they are threatening to flay people alive with their minds and having irrational homicidal vendettas.  Liara in ME2 according to BW standards is apparently a big success.  Who cares about things like character integrity and if the fans like it or not or if they wanted her to actually, you know, have a part in the game.   So long as Ray thinks the new version of the character is "hip" and "edgy", like a character out of a Rockstar game, it is apparently a winner. <_< 

Normally we agree about stuff, but I think you're goin' slightly off the deep end with this.

I don't think Bioware is just being shallow.

I think it's all part of the plan.

/flameshieldon

[MikeFL25]

Nozybidaj wrote...


Apparently being an expert on the Protheans isn't "dark" and "amped up" enough to meet BW's standards these days.  

They don't consider a character "cool" unless they are threatening to flay people alive with their minds and having irrational homicidal vendettas.  Liara in ME2 according to BW standards is apparently a big success.  Who cares about things like character integrity and if the fans like it or not or if they wanted her to actually, you know, have a part in the game.   So long as Ray thinks the new version of the character is "hip" and "edgy", like a character out of a Rockstar game, it is apparently a winner. <_< 

I could not agree with you more.  I'm getting tired of BioWare's *Turian finger quotes* "dark" games.  Especially since the "dark" element is often forced.  The idea of a suicide mission against an unknown foe in an area of space that no one has ever returned from should have been good enough, but no.  They needed to take one of the best (if not the best) character from ME1 and make her completely irrelevant. 

I hope ME3 returnes to the style of ME1.

[screwoffreg]

Liara is less academic and far more mercenary in the second game. She's more interested in taking down a powerful AI than saving human colonies, which makes a bit of sense as no one outside of the Illusive Man and Shepard find out what their real plan is. Hell, end game it seems no one would even realize the Collectors were gone until ME 3 when Shepard tells them.

[morrie23]

Many things are wrong with the implementation of Liara. Hopefully Bioware can turn it around.