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[Arab25]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Ah yes, "Liara"...

That's the funniest thing i've read tonight. Haha this had me crackin up.

[brusher225]

Ammonite wrote...

It's a shame she's so fixated on the broker. She could have potentially made some serious waves in the interested academic circles with her new info on protheans.

Good point!  There are many reasons why Liara should have been in the thick of things. Her knowledge was simply way too important. Heck, even an AI like EDI would've been programmed with knowledge gained by experts in the field such as Liara. Only thing I can figure is that the "Dirty Dozen" mentality was more important than making sense. Had to leave out a few. They just picked the wrong one.

[Nozybidaj]

brusher225 wrote...

Only thing I can figure is that the "Dirty Dozen" mentality was more important than making sense. Had to leave out a few. They just picked the wrong one.

You know, I think it would have worked great if the game had been a spin off instead of a sequel to ME1.  Instead of the Normandy getting attacked at the begining it could have been a passenger transport headed to earth, and who else would have been on board but Conrad Verner.  Ship get attaked and Verner gets spaced.  Cerberus who had been tracking Collector activity finds it and resurrects Conrad and turns him into the super soldier he always wanted to be.  Since he knows probably nothing about Cerberus they don't need to make huge jumps in logic to get the protagonist to go along with them and all the new character introductions feel like they fit instead of replacements, they could have tied the Collector threat into a more direct threat on Earth, and been to keep extablished characters and groups like Liara and the Council in character instead of turning them into parodies of what they were in ME1.  Depending on your choices and how you play through the game Conrad comes back in ME2 as either an ally to Shepard or a if you go along totally with Cerberus, as an adversary. 

Plus it would have put all these game systems in place and ready to be fully fleshed out by the time they started working on a real sequel instead of ME2 getting these good concepts in a bare bones state.  Could have been a really fun game and would have allowed them the time to mature these new systems to make ME2 even better.

Spilled milk and all that I suppose.....

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 21 février 2010 - 01:00 .

[SnakeStrike8]

Liara's not an expert on Protheans. She's an expert on Prothean HISTORY. She could probably tell you a ton of stuff about Prothean colonies and starships (maybe) but she doesn't know anything about their biology. I don't see how this argument matters very much.

Besides, her historian stint seemed to have died off in the two years that Shepard-Commander spent dead. Now she's moving on to more serious stuff, like asking Shepard-Commander to help her assasinate people in the streets.

[stormhit]

I don't know, to me she seems like she's behaving in ways quite typical for everything that's been said about asari in their maiden stage. Liara isn't a uniquely committed academic marvel, she's just slightly obsessive and apparently has a capacity for excelling at whatever it is she chooses to pursue. Yeah, maybe she sort of suggested in the first game that she believed she was different than most other asari with regards to to her drive to experience the galaxy. She's not. This isn't really a character inconsistency as much as it's just someone who's basically a child growing up.

[Bootsykk]

Yeah, I guess that's a good point but--

"MUST KILL SHADOW BROKER"

...

Well, yeah...

[Nightwriter]

Guys, Liara's mental functions are failing. She's losing it. Accept it. Too much time around Prothean ruins that were really chalk full of indoctrination artifacts or something.



She's going after the Shadow Broker like the squirrel after the acorn in Ice Age and she doesn't even recognize Tali or Garrus anymore. She's lost it.

[SnakeStrike8]

Nightwriter wrote...

She's going after the Shadow Broker like the squirrel after the acorn in Ice Age and she doesn't even recognize Tali or Garrus anymore. She's lost it.

Wrex didn't recognize them either. And don't you suggest he's lost it!

[The Angry One]

Garrus seems to be about your only squad member who actually recognises an old squadmate.

And that squadmate is Tali.

In the Archangel mission.

Where she cannot be normally.



Oh BioWare.

[Nightwriter]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

She's going after the Shadow Broker like the squirrel after the acorn in Ice Age and she doesn't even recognize Tali or Garrus anymore. She's lost it.

Wrex didn't recognize them either. And don't you suggest he's lost it!

Yeah but he was always like that. You know.

Taciturn.

[Bann Duncan]

The Angry One wrote...

Garrus seems to be about your only squad member who actually recognises an old squadmate.
And that squadmate is Tali.
In the Archangel mission.
Where she cannot be normally.

Oh BioWare.

Ashley mentions Garrus on Horizon.

Okay now I'm done posting - it's already half-oneish.

[Bann Duncan]

The Angry One wrote...

Garrus seems to be about your only squad member who actually recognises an old squadmate.
And that squadmate is Tali.
In the Archangel mission.
Where she cannot be normally.

Oh BioWare.

Ashley mentions Garrus on Horizon.

Okay now I'm done posting - it's already half-oneish.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

brusher225 wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

You make it sound like, we are finished, done, no more story.

Regardless, this is too important to not at least ask Liara for her expert opinion and any input she might have. She would be beside herself of this news of the Protheans existance. The Shadowbroker would have to take the back seat! This is too big! Sorry, this is an opportunity lost. Can't make up for this major faux paus in part three.

HAYSUS almighty, for the sake of argument, could you at least wait, to find out if ANY of the Xpacks, could infact revolve around YOUR version of HOW the story should progress?

[zalderach]

Shepard knows more about the Protheans than Liara does. At least my Shepard does she told me herself.

Modifié par zalderach, 21 février 2010 - 01:30 .

[Garlador]

You know, didn't they say that the Shadow Broker might be a whole collective of individuals rather than ONE person?



So Liara's quest to "kill the Shadow Broker" could be totally fruitless. Turns out, it's a conclave of people, ranging from The Illusive Man to The Citadel Counsel to the Quarian Admiralty board.



But, still... Liara's priorities are a little... "off". Avenging one friend she barely knew? Or saving the entire galaxy from utter destruction?

[StreetlightEagle]

It is just ridiculous. Its one thing I hated about ME2... the lack of interaction from Liara and Ash/den.. the whole "but your love interests can die in ME2 and we wouldn't want that" just doesn't hold water. The ME2 love interests can die, are they less important? If the answer is yes then there will be a whole lot of angry Tali fans. So yeah, their excuse for not having Liara in the squad... 'I have dismissed that claim'

[marshalleck]

StreetlightEagle wrote...

It is just ridiculous. Its one thing I hated about ME2... the lack of interaction from Liara and Ash/den.. the whole "but your love interests can die in ME2 and we wouldn't want that" just doesn't hold water. The ME2 love interests can die, are they less important? If the answer is yes then there will be a whole lot of angry Tali fans. So yeah, their excuse for not having Liara in the squad... 'I have dismissed that claim'

They didn't want Kaidan or Ashley to possibly die twice because that would make them statistically least likely of any companion in either game to be around in ME3. They can't keep two ME1 LIs out of the squad in ME2 and leave Liara, because people would freak out about Liara favoritism from the devs.

Like it or not, it was necessary protection. And it's far more consideration than any ME2 LIs have gotten.

Modifié par marshalleck, 21 février 2010 - 01:43 .

[StreetlightEagle]

marshalleck wrote...

StreetlightEagle wrote...

It is just ridiculous. Its one thing I hated about ME2... the lack of interaction from Liara and Ash/den.. the whole "but your love interests can die in ME2 and we wouldn't want that" just doesn't hold water. The ME2 love interests can die, are they less important? If the answer is yes then there will be a whole lot of angry Tali fans. So yeah, their excuse for not having Liara in the squad... 'I have dismissed that claim'

They didn't want Kaidan or Ashley to possibly die twice because that would make them statistically least likely of any companion in either game to be around in ME3. They can't keep two ME1 LIs out of the squad in ME2 and leave Liara, because people would freak out about Liara favoritism from the devs.

Like it or not, it was necessary protection. And it's far more consideration than any ME2 LIs have gotten.

That is a fair point actually. But at the end of the day, who cares if they are least likely to be around for ME3, everybody would have preferred them to be in the game. Besides it really not that hard to save the people you want to save.

[Nigawatts]

Be funny to go back on Illium and be like "Hey Liara, guess what happened to me while you were here in your tiny office. I killed the rest of the Protheans!!!"

[marshalleck]

Nigawatts wrote...

Be funny to go back on Illium and be like "Hey Liara, guess what happened to me while you were here in your tiny office. I killed the rest of the Protheans!!!"

...and squeezed them into a coffee cup.

[Nozybidaj]

marshalleck wrote...


Like it or not, it was necessary protection. And it's far more consideration than any ME2 LIs have gotten.

So the only way to protect them was to completely remove them and their story from the game?  Makes total sense.  (where is the /rolleyes emoticon when I need it?)

[marshalleck]

Nozybidaj wrote...

marshalleck wrote...


Like it or not, it was necessary protection. And it's far more consideration than any ME2 LIs have gotten.

So the only way to protect them was to completely remove them and their story from the game?  Makes total sense.  (where is the /rolleyes emoticon when I need it?)

Is this the part where we bemoan the fact that Bioware didn't write ME2 exactly the way we wanted them to?

[Nightwriter]

marshalleck wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

marshalleck wrote...


Like it or not, it was necessary protection. And it's far more consideration than any ME2 LIs have gotten.

So the only way to protect them was to completely remove them and their story from the game?  Makes total sense.  (where is the /rolleyes emoticon when I need it?)

Is this the part where we bemoan the fact that Bioware didn't write ME2 exactly the way we wanted them to?

Yes.

I'll make popcorn!

Modifié par Nightwriter, 21 février 2010 - 02:10 .

[Nozybidaj]

marshalleck wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

marshalleck wrote...


Like it or not, it was necessary protection. And it's far more consideration than any ME2 LIs have gotten.

So the only way to protect them was to completely remove them and their story from the game?  Makes total sense.  (where is the /rolleyes emoticon when I need it?)

Is this the part where we bemoan the fact that Bioware didn't write ME2 exactly the way we wanted them to?

Yes.  Though I could have certainly settled for something less so that still maintained that cohesive feel of a trilogy instead of going the "separate adventures as a series" style of story telling.