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[Ulicus]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

And to think they bigged the collectors up as the "greatest threat ever faced".

Not really.

TIM: Humanity is facing the greatest threat of our brief existence.
Shepard: The Reapers.

[CajunRexShepard]

That's why the collectors targeted out of the way colonies... they wanted to AVOID direct contact with a frontline fleet, which is why I too found that line to be a bit farfetched, unless of course they do have a full fleet of collector ships... but even then, theirs is a strategy of hit and run, grab and go, they don't seem very well prepared for a protracted firefight.

[Wolverfrog]

We should have seen an epic battle between the Collectors and Alliance at Earth in Mass Effect 2. As in, you've destroyed the Collector base, but it turns out the Collector fleet fled before it's destruction and made a desperate attack on Earth.

[The Angry One]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

If the first Human Reaper had matured, I don't think Earth would have been safe. Solid game plan to build the manufacturing infrastructure first.

If the first human reaper had matured they wouldn't need to kidnap the people of Earth.
Besides, Sovereign proved that a full frontal assault = fail. Hell, even it knew enough to run for the Citadel and then close it. Send a newborn Reaper over Earth and you'll probably have the entire Citadel fleet right behind it.

[The Capital Gaultier]

The Angry One wrote...

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

If the first Human Reaper had matured, I don't think Earth would have been safe. Solid game plan to build the manufacturing infrastructure first.

If the first human reaper had matured they wouldn't need to kidnap the people of Earth.
Besides, Sovereign proved that a full frontal assault = fail. Hell, even it knew enough to run for the Citadel and then close it. Send a newborn Reaper over Earth and you'll probably have the entire Citadel fleet right behind it.

The Collectors are in direct contact with the Reapers, somehow.  That much is certain.  They were definitely coordinating something.

[Borschtbeet]

The Angry One wrote...

Borschtbeet wrote...

Not only that but being that Earth is the homeworld of Humans, a council race it would invoke the wrath of all citadel space. 
The collector's plans were a bit hail Mary.

Ah yes, the "Collectors". A race of insectoids who allegedly kidnap humans and take them beyond the Omega 4 Relay. We have already dismissed these claims.

Lol, seriously though the reason the Council was not acting was because this was happening in the Terminus systems.

It would be like Russia invading China because some Russian tourists went missing.  It's not a sound political move.

If the Collectors did in fact attack earth, it would most definetly invoke a response from the council, including the Turian councilor.

[Skilled Seeker]

Using the human Reaper maybe? And after the human Reaper is complete they would still want to make more Reapers. So attacking Earth when they are ready would be a good move as its the biggest cache of humans in the galaxy!

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 20 février 2010 - 11:38 .

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Ulicus wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

And to think they bigged the collectors up as the "greatest threat ever faced".

Not really.

TIM: Humanity is facing the greatest threat of our brief existence.
Shepard: The Reapers.

Really.

That comment is irrelevent. In ME2s marketing build up, they tried to present the villains of ME2 (the collectors) as an even greater threat than the first game. Like many things in ME2 when it comes to playing, it doesnt match up.

You dont at any point in ME2 face any actual real reapers. Its just collectors and a stupid Terminator wannabe "human reaper larvae". I wouldnt have a problem if this was highlighted before that the major, and more dangerous threat of the first game takes a backseat role, but like I said, it wasnt.

[SuperVaderMan]

The Angry One wrote...

I presume the idea was to get another Reaper agent within our galaxy, like Sovereign was. With it's indoctrination signal and all that. Harbinger can't do that because it's in darkspace.

Probably the soundest reasoning I've heard, keep nabbing humans until another reaper's made and send it right through the Omega-4 relay.  Then things would go to hell in a handbasket again.

Makes me wonder why they left the Derelict Reaper there, but maybe they didn't know about it?  And they DID almost destroy the Normandy when the IFF was installed... guess they should've blew up the Normandy while it was disabled instead of messin' around with the crew, huh?


But, that's getting off topic.  A raid on Earth MIGHT have been possible with the newly-constructed human reaper.  If not for that, I'd just write it off as a baseless assumption thrown in for shock value.

[The Angry One]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Using the human Reaper maybe? And after the human Reaper is complete they would still want to make more Reapers. So attacking Earth when they are ready would be a good move as its the biggest cache of humans in the galaxy!

Again, Reapers aren't invincible. Like I said, the first thing Sovereign did was seal itself inside the Citadel and work on opening the relay to the others. It patently did not want to make a solo siege.
Hell if a Reaper could then there'd be no need for all this manipulation of Saren or the Rachni or the Krogan or whatever. Just charge at the Citadel.

This would be much more difficult than what Sovereign tried, you're basically expecting a newborn Reaper to take down Earth, a Council homeworld. Even with Collector help... that's not happening.

[The Angry One]

SuperVaderMan wrote...

Makes me wonder why they left the Derelict Reaper there, but maybe they didn't know about it?  And they DID almost destroy the Normandy when the IFF was installed... guess they should've blew up the Normandy while it was disabled instead of messin' around with the crew, huh?

I'm guessing they just didn't know. I think Cerberus found it by sheer luck.
Reaper arrogance is legendary anyway, Harbinger may not even have wanted to entertain the idea that there was a Reaper other than Sovereign that got spanked.

[Frotality]

"with all due respect sir, thats what they said about nihlus, and look how that turned out."




^^^^^made no sense either. NPCs can say the darnedest things sometimes.

[anmiro]

 What I took from this was that when the Reapers attacked the Collectors would hit earth, so they could build numerous reapers.

[Chained_Creator]

Yes, because the characters know everything about the Collectors. They have absolute knowledge that leads them to be able to perfectly predict exactly what the Collector's are going to do.



Or they could be speculating on possible motives of the Collectors and be WRONG. But, nay, it is obviously a deliberate attempt by the writers to force you to accept that such an unrealistic assault on a homeworld of a spacefaring species is a highly likely outcome.

[The Angry One]

Chained_Creator wrote..

Or they could be speculating on possible motives of the Collectors and be WRONG. But, nay, it is obviously a deliberate attempt by the writers to force you to accept that such an unrealistic assault on a homeworld of a spacefaring species is a highly likely outcome.

Thing is it's a stupid speculation. Shep of all people should know that the Collectors aren't threatening Earth.

[newcomplex]

fusilero1 wrote...

Earth might not be as well defended as Arcturus Prime. They come in, block communications in the system and kidnap as many as they can before hauling away before the Arcturus Prime fleet arrives.

For a second, I thought you were talking about the terran dominion.

lol ME would get so raped by starcraft.    

[SuperVaderMan]

The Angry One wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Using the human Reaper maybe? And after the human Reaper is complete they would still want to make more Reapers. So attacking Earth when they are ready would be a good move as its the biggest cache of humans in the galaxy!

Again, Reapers aren't invincible. Like I said, the first thing Sovereign did was seal itself inside the Citadel and work on opening the relay to the others. It patently did not want to make a solo siege.
Hell if a Reaper could then there'd be no need for all this manipulation of Saren or the Rachni or the Krogan or whatever. Just charge at the Citadel.

This would be much more difficult than what Sovereign tried, you're basically expecting a newborn Reaper to take down Earth, a Council homeworld. Even with Collector help... that's not happening.

Oh I think it'd be more possible than that.  You gotta remember that in ME1 the citadel fleet was caught by surprise and got their backends handed to them.  It was only because Joker alerted the Alliance fleet and made a counter-strike that things turned out OK.

The combination of a surprise attack, a reaper blowing the crap out of everything (Sovereign only unleashed his lasers-o-doom at the last minute, and even then blew up half the surrounding ships), a communications blackout, and seeker swarms paralyzing everything... well things wouldn't turn out so good.

And after the Collector ship sucks up a good amount of people, even if it's just enough to make a 2nd reaper, well now you're f***ed, you could barely handle one but TWO?

[screwoffreg]

I think people forget the fact Sovereign, in an immovable and surrounded position, managed to severely damage an entire human FLEET. If it had been fully aggressive and using all its weapons, the results would have probably been worse for the Alliance. Also remember it seems Sovereign's shields only went down when Saren died, so perhaps the Reaper ships strength is tied to some sort of avatar...

[The Angry One]

Reapers require energy, and they seem to have only one way of replenishing it - consuming organics.
Why? I don't know, maybe they took lessons in the most inefficient way to gather energy from the Matrix machines.

But that's how it is, so that'd explain why Sovereign holds back.
As for 2 Reapers.. well again, if you've collected enough for 2 whole Reapers you don't really need Earth anymore.

[Mooner911]

Did anyone notice the armada of Reapers surfing towards The Milky Way in the final scenes of ME2?

Or have I missed the point of this thread completely?

[Chained_Creator]

The Angry One wrote...

Chained_Creator wrote..

Or they could be speculating on possible motives of the Collectors and be WRONG. But, nay, it is obviously a deliberate attempt by the writers to force you to accept that such an unrealistic assault on a homeworld of a spacefaring species is a highly likely outcome.

Thing is it's a stupid speculation. Shep of all people should know that the Collectors aren't threatening Earth.

That's right. People do and say stupid things. Expecting characters to be highly motivated and acting at peak capacity mentally, physically, and psychologically at all times is unrealistic and would make the game both boring and dull.

Did you see the SIZE of the chamber your characters were in? Is it not possible that one of your characters (Whichever one you take with you) is momentarily overawed by the sheer scope of the construction of the chamber and says something admittedly stupid while trying to process the sheer scope such construction projects incur?


Have you never seen construction projects of vast size and wondered at the sheer ingenuity, audacity, and willpower than went into the planning and construction of such modern or ancient marvels of architecture? Never been momentarily stupefied by the scope and breath-taking scale of natural or man-made feats of size and beauty?

I am more than willing to forgive such comments based on the amount of realism it adds to the characters for me. They're not always perfect or hyper-intelligent. I like that.

Modifié par Chained_Creator, 21 février 2010 - 12:06 .

[The Angry One]

screwoffreg wrote...

I think people forget the fact Sovereign, in an immovable and surrounded position, managed to severely damage an entire human FLEET. If it had been fully aggressive and using all its weapons, the results would have probably been worse for the Alliance. Also remember it seems Sovereign's shields only went down when Saren died, so perhaps the Reaper ships strength is tied to some sort of avatar...

A fleet of cruisers and previously an unprepared Citadel fleet with a single dreadnought (that can survive).
Again, if it were so easy Sovereign would not have had to hide for thousands of years plotting and scheming.

[screwoffreg]

The Angry One wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

I think people forget the fact Sovereign, in an immovable and surrounded position, managed to severely damage an entire human FLEET. If it had been fully aggressive and using all its weapons, the results would have probably been worse for the Alliance. Also remember it seems Sovereign's shields only went down when Saren died, so perhaps the Reaper ships strength is tied to some sort of avatar...

A fleet of cruisers and previously an unprepared Citadel fleet with a single dreadnought (that can survive).
Again, if it were so easy Sovereign would not have had to hide for thousands of years plotting and scheming.

Well, Sovereign only needed to survive long enough to open the Relay.  Presumably, thousands of its brothers would have jumped in and turned the tide.  I imagine a human reaper, constantly on the move, surrounded by Geth Heretic and Collector allies would be able to face most any threat but a concentrated fleet effort.  Also bear in mind the human reaper was probably, like Sovereign, being built for some other purpose than "head on charge" and to find some other door into the Galaxy.

[The Angry One]

screwoffreg wrote...

Well, Sovereign only needed to survive long enough to open the Relay.  Presumably, thousands of its brothers would have jumped in and turned the tide.  I imagine a human reaper, constantly on the move, surrounded by Geth Heretic and Collector allies would be able to face most any threat but a concentrated fleet effort.

It would still be a tremendously bad idea to face a Council homeworld head on. The Council for all their stupidity would have to respond to that with full force.
There might be heavy casualties but the Collectors/Reaper wouldn't be walking away from that one.

Also bear in mind the human reaper was probably, like Sovereign, being built for some other purpose than "head on charge" and to find some other door into the Galaxy.

The most obvious purpose is a replacement for Sovereign. Harbinger controls the Collectors but can't indoctrinate, without that there's no way to manipulate allies and no way to open the way for the others.
Now with that gone they're going to take the long way and hope for the best.

Modifié par The Angry One, 21 février 2010 - 12:12 .

[Series5Ranger]

fusilero1 wrote...

Earth might not be as well defended as Arcturus Prime. They come in, block communications in the system and kidnap as many as they can before hauling away before the Arcturus Prime fleet arrives.

And if you're a Marvel Comics fan, you know Starhawk is from there. They don't call him The One who knows  for nothing.


http://en.wikipedia....arhawk_(comics)

Modifié par Series5Ranger, 21 février 2010 - 12:13 .