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[sylvanaerie]

Can anyone tell me why Zevran might have taken -5 disapproval at the end of RT:O when you give Cailan a pyre and send him on his way?  Does he just not like funerals or what?  Considering he rarely disapproves of anything I do in game unless I attack elves or what not, I found this a WTF? moment.

[Nobody Important]

He approves when you leave his body for the wolves. He doesn't like Cailan and probably thought he was a crappy king from what he heard of him.

[Kryyptehk]

I've never brought Zevran with me, but it seems weird that he wouldn't think that someone deserves a proper funeral.

[ejoslin]

I figure that Zevran deserves a ninja disapproval. Good thing you then have an excuse for five trips to the tent!



Actually, there's a cutscene dialog for him there -- it doesn't explain anything, though. He also doesn't like it when you feed the body to the wolves. Nearest I can figure is he feels the darkspawn earned their trophy, but that makes no sense either. Or he feels that bodies should be left alone, but that doesn't make sense for such strong disapproval (for him). I mean, you get -5 if you wipe out the Dalish or side with Cullen (and don't do the persuade check). Hard to believe that cutting down a body would earn that much disapproval.

[Cuddlezarro]

that approval drop is like Wynns approving of a male pc sleeping with Genya or whatever Cammens would be girlsfriends name is in the dalish camp

its just wtf worthy

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 20 février 2010 - 11:24 .

[Maria Caliban]

IIRC, in Antiva they don't burn bodies but construct giant cities of the dead. Or maybe it was Navarra?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I haven't brought him to Ostagar, but I've heard about this. I wonder if it was a glitch. When party members disapprove, they either have already given reason for the approval change in the dialogue, or it's something obvious to their personality.



Dunno, maybe, given that he was an assassin, he doesn't care much for getting sentimental over a body, no matter how big a wig the person was. Still, it doesn't explain a -5. That's a pretty big approval drop for the normally apathetic elf.

[Cuddlezarro]

that would be Navarra Maria

[ejoslin]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

that approval drop is like Wynns approving of a male pc sleeping with Genya or whatever Cammens would be girlsfriends name is in the dalish camp

its just wtf worthy

See, the part that makes nothing make sense for me is the approval drop is so large for him.  You lose 5 approval if you let Vaughn live, for instance -- but since you can hear about what he did to Soris if you ask, that makes sense.  You lose -5 if you don't do the persuade check and kill the Dalish or side with Cullen.  You lose -3 if you tell him to shut up in Orzammar without the persuade check.  Those I all understand, which makes it just strange and jarring.  Whoever wrote that part had a very different view of Zevran  than what seems to be presented in Origins.

There was a lot of out of character things in RtO.  Wynne and Alistair, and Zevran as well.  And it's too bad, because the story had so much potential.  I'm hoping other DLC takes the character's personalities a bit more into account.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 février 2010 - 11:36 .

[sylvanaerie]

I found it weird considering that hes the most easy going of all the companions. heck he even thought it was a hoot that I tricked Cammen into some Wooing lessons. I just...well it was definitely a WTF moment for me. Guess I will have to bring someone else along instead. Maybe Oghren. I don't do Oghren much outside of the deep roads.

[ejoslin]

Well, the good news is you can swap people in and out from there easily -- just after the last battle, swap in whomever you want and have them view the pyre. IF you do a pyre. For some reason, the three ending choices were so not in character for any of my wardens except the Human Nobles.

[sylvanaerie]

ejoslin wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

that approval drop is like Wynns approving of a male pc sleeping with Genya or whatever Cammens would be girlsfriends name is in the dalish camp

its just wtf worthy

See, the part that makes nothing make sense for me is the approval drop is so large for him.  You lose 5 approval if you let Vaughn live, for instance -- but since you can hear about what he did to Soris if you ask, that makes sense.  You lose -5 if you don't do the persuade check and kill the Dalish or side with Cullen.  You lose -3 if you tell him to shut up in Orzammar without the persuade check.  Those I all understand, which makes it just strange and jarring.  Whoever wrote that part had a very different view of Zevran  than what seems to be presented in Origins.

There was a lot of out of character things in RtO.  Wynne and Alistair, and Zevran as well.  And it's too bad, because the story had so much potential.  I'm hoping other DLC takes the character's personalities a bit more into account.

Yea, you are right there was a LOT of OOC stuff in Rt:O. I found the convo tween Alistair and Wynne disturbing and kinda creepy just before you go deal with the corpse.  Not an appropriate conversation for the moment. 

And there wasn't any cutscene for me with Zevran at the funeral just the funeral itself and after I got the little black heart thing saying "Zevran disapproves -5".  Morrigan maybe, she seems to disapprove of everything I do.  But not Zev.

[ejoslin]

sylvanaerie wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

that approval drop is like Wynns approving of a male pc sleeping with Genya or whatever Cammens would be girlsfriends name is in the dalish camp

its just wtf worthy

See, the part that makes nothing make sense for me is the approval drop is so large for him.  You lose 5 approval if you let Vaughn live, for instance -- but since you can hear about what he did to Soris if you ask, that makes sense.  You lose -5 if you don't do the persuade check and kill the Dalish or side with Cullen.  You lose -3 if you tell him to shut up in Orzammar without the persuade check.  Those I all understand, which makes it just strange and jarring.  Whoever wrote that part had a very different view of Zevran  than what seems to be presented in Origins.

There was a lot of out of character things in RtO.  Wynne and Alistair, and Zevran as well.  And it's too bad, because the story had so much potential.  I'm hoping other DLC takes the character's personalities a bit more into account.

Yea, you are right there was a LOT of OOC stuff in Rt:O. I found the convo tween Alistair and Wynne disturbing and kinda creepy just before you go deal with the corpse.  Not an appropriate conversation for the moment. 

And there wasn't any cutscene for me with Zevran at the funeral just the funeral itself and after I got the little black heart thing saying "Zevran disapproves -5".  Morrigan maybe, she seems to disapprove of everything I do.  But not Zev.

yes, I had to partner with Zevran to see it.    He says:

Zevran: Crude. Go to the trouble of killing a king, you'd think you'd want to see his face.

Explains really nothing.  His reaction was just off.  But he did get a nice sword and dagger, so /shrug.

[sylvanaerie]

Hmm I didn't get a cutscene? Do I have to click on him to talk to him? (Hes not a romanced partner just a friend) and since I do this after Landsmeet usually hes at "Friendly" vs "Warm" cause of his personal quest already being done.

[ejoslin]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Hmm I didn't get a cutscene? Do I have to click on him to talk to him? (Hes not a romanced partner just a friend) and since I do this after Landsmeet usually hes at "Friendly" vs "Warm" cause of his personal quest already being done.

Alistair overrides him.  I ran it through, just Zevran and my warden, trying to figure out what caused the approval drop.  Never did learn.

[sylvanaerie]

hmm weird. Thanks for checking and replying Ejoslin

[ShadowCatJen]

Zev is an assassin. A dead body is a dead body. Unless the purpose of dealing with King Cailan's body had to do with covering up evidence, there shouldn't be a reason to even bother with "disposing" of the body. He's been dead for a while, everyone knows he's dead, and the darkspawn were the ones to do him in for no political gains. It's a pointless act that only serves to try and cover up old emotional pain. -And- there's no profit in it.



At least, that's why I think you get hit with the disapproval.



Sten, on the other hand, approves (yes, approves!) of you taking care of the body honorably. And we all know anything that gives us a + # sign next to Sten's name is a good thing indeed.

[Addai]

Not the only character reaction in RtO that seems "off."

[Monica21]

ShadowCatJen wrote...

Zev is an assassin. A dead body is a dead body. Unless the purpose of dealing with King Cailan's body had to do with covering up evidence, there shouldn't be a reason to even bother with "disposing" of the body. He's been dead for a while, everyone knows he's dead, and the darkspawn were the ones to do him in for no political gains. It's a pointless act that only serves to try and cover up old emotional pain. -And- there's no profit in it.

At least, that's why I think you get hit with the disapproval.

Sten, on the other hand, approves (yes, approves!) of you taking care of the body honorably. And we all know anything that gives us a + # sign next to Sten's name is a good thing indeed.

Zevran may be an assassin, but he isn't heartless. It would make far more sense for him to neither approve nor disapprove. Is he in a big hurry to get somewhere?

And as far as companions go, Wynne never gets to go again. Alistair and Dog can come, but not Wynne. Too creepy.

[ejoslin]

Monica21 wrote...

ShadowCatJen wrote...

Zev is an assassin. A dead body is a dead body. Unless the purpose of dealing with King Cailan's body had to do with covering up evidence, there shouldn't be a reason to even bother with "disposing" of the body. He's been dead for a while, everyone knows he's dead, and the darkspawn were the ones to do him in for no political gains. It's a pointless act that only serves to try and cover up old emotional pain. -And- there's no profit in it.

At least, that's why I think you get hit with the disapproval.

Sten, on the other hand, approves (yes, approves!) of you taking care of the body honorably. And we all know anything that gives us a + # sign next to Sten's name is a good thing indeed.

Zevran may be an assassin, but he isn't heartless. It would make far more sense for him to neither approve nor disapprove. Is he in a big hurry to get somewhere?

And as far as companions go, Wynne never gets to go again. Alistair and Dog can come, but not Wynne. Too creepy.

Agree Monica21.  Zevran's approval is usually very predictable.  He's pragmatic, but not heartless, and knowing what happened at Ostegar would cause him to at least have some sympathy for the warden about how to handle the remains I would think without him caring too much about the body one way or the other himself.  An explanation of some sort at least would have been nice since it was so out of character.

And I agree about Wynne as well -- I think they were trying to make something very funny, but it really came off as more strange.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 février 2010 - 03:49 .

[Monica21]

ejoslin wrote...
Agree Monica21.  Zevran's approval is usually very predictable.  He's pragmatic, but not heartless, and knowing what happened at Ostegar would cause him to at least have some sympathy for the warden about how to handle the remains I would think without him caring too much about the body one way or the other himself.  An explanation of some sort at least would have been nice since it was so out of character.

And I agree about Wynne as well -- I think they were trying to make something very funny, but it really came off as more strange.

Heh... I knew we'd agree about something one of these days! :-)

[ejoslin]

Monica21 wrote...

Heh... I knew we'd agree about something one of these days! :-)

It makes you wonder if that says something about RtO 

edit: Actually, RtO was cheap enough I feel bad about complaining about it.  But I would actually pay a bit more and get something that didn't have such a out of place feeling about it.

Modifié par ejoslin, 21 février 2010 - 04:15 .

[Monica21]

ejoslin wrote...
It makes you wonder if that says something about RtO 

edit: Actually, RtO was cheap enough I feel bad about complaining about it.  But I would actually pay a bit more and get something that didn't have such a out of place feeling about it.

Hehe... quite possibly. I did like the sense of closure, but the totally OOC convos combined with Zevran's reaction gave me a few wtf moments.

[Gamer Ftw]

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 06 mai 2013 - 11:05 .