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[Internet Kraken]

I don't like the way it was handled at all. Morinth was portrayed as a vile and twisted individual during Samara's loyalty mission. The game made me hate everything she did. So when it gave me the choice to pick her over Samara, I was shocked. I can't think of a single good reason to choose Morinth over Samara. Even if I did hate Samara, I wouldn't pick Morinth. The game doesn't give us any reason to do so, but a mountain of reasons to kill her.



If they wanted me to actually have difficulty choosing between the two, they utterly failed.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Question is... do you want a lawful justicar paladin in your squad or a cereal killer with mind control abilities...

[Ramikadyc]

She's a very interesting character, but she's severely underdeveloped. Pick her towards the end of the game. If you get her too soon you'll realize that she doesn't bring much else to the table story-wise than one conversation wheel aboard the ship, some reactions from your squad after the loyalty mission, and a neat little event after you beat the game and continue your playthrough.



She is a very interesting character, however. She has huge potential to be one of the most intriguing characters in the game, but it just isn't close to being fully realized yet.



Combat-wise, her special ability rocks. At least pick her so you can unlock it for yourself later on.

[The Angry One]

I reason that they're both sociopaths.
Yes, one is a rapist and murderer, but the other is basically as bad as a serial killer who just happens to also be an FBI agent or something.
So really it's lose-lose.

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Question is... do you want a lawful justicar paladin in your squad or a cereal killer with mind control abilities...

Freaking Morinth, you've killed my corn flakes for the last time!!

[Vaenier]

a paragon shep would pick the lawful justicar over a murderer. A renegade shep would kill the justicar before she gets the chance after the mission, and use the next option available to you.

[Ramikadyc]

Also, she's worth picking if you're playing a role where you don't like Samara, in case you found her too pretentious and unrealistic (that is to say, unrealistic in her views and motives). Morinth is a monster, yes, but Samara is far from a saint herself, despite how she portrays herself.

Modifié par Ramikadyc, 21 février 2010 - 12:42 .

[Lmaoboat]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Question is... do you want a lawful justicar paladin in your squad or a cereal killer with mind control abilities...

That depends if Count Chocula makes any moves against me.

[Internet Kraken]

Ramikadyc wrote...



Also, she's worth picking if you're playing a role where you don't like Samara, in case you found her too pretentious and unrealistic. Morinth is a monster, yes, but Samara is far from a saint herself, despite how she portrays herself.

True, but I never saw hating Samara as a reason to pick Morinth. Even if you thought Samara was nothing more than a self-righteous murderer, what does swapping her out for a bloodthirsty sociopath accomplish?

[The Angry One]

Internet Kraken wrote...

True, but I never saw hating Samara as a reason to pick Morinth. Even if you thought Samara was nothing more than a self-righteous murderer, what does swapping her out for a bloodthirsty sociopath accomplish?

The bloodthirsty sociopath at the very least doesn't talk to you like a pretentious twit on the Normandy.

[Kolaris8472]

Ramikadyc wrote...

Also, she's worth picking if you're playing a role where you don't like Samara, in case you found her too pretentious and unrealistic (that is to say, unrealistic in her views and motives). Morinth is a monster, yes, but Samara is far from a saint herself, despite how she portrays herself.

Just because you don't agree with someone's views and their view of themself, you kill them and pick up a horrendously dangerous serial killer who can control anyone on your ship? 

As someone else said, this isn't a Renegade decision, its a Stupid one. 

[Ramikadyc]

Internet Kraken wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

Also, she's worth picking if you're playing a role where you don't like Samara, in case you found her too pretentious and unrealistic. Morinth is a monster, yes, but Samara is far from a saint herself, despite how she portrays herself.

True, but I never saw hating Samara as a reason to pick Morinth. Even if you thought Samara was nothing more than a self-righteous murderer, what does swapping her out for a bloodthirsty sociopath accomplish?

If you're a hardcore Reneagade, Samara will tell you that after the mission is over she might attempt to kill you. Morinth, however, becomes subdued because you're so powerful. Kill the person threatening you, and keep the person serving you. Both are powerful, both get the job done. It's just a matter of perspective, and what role you're playing. And I have played and will play both sides of the role. I can argue against Morinth and make good points as to why she isn't worthwhile from a "good-vs-evil" standpoint, but I feel like my opinions for this thread should be focused on why you should pick her as opposed to why you shouldn't.

[flem1]

Morinth = chaotic stupid or stupid evil

[Ramikadyc]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

Also, she's worth picking if you're playing a role where you don't like Samara, in case you found her too pretentious and unrealistic (that is to say, unrealistic in her views and motives). Morinth is a monster, yes, but Samara is far from a saint herself, despite how she portrays herself.

Just because you don't agree with someone's views and their view of themself, you kill them and pick up a horrendously dangerous serial killer who can control anyone on your ship? 

As someone else said, this isn't a Renegade decision, its a Stupid one. 

It definitely is, depending on what role you're playing. I'm speaking out of character, fairly generally, about one option and viewpoint. It's nice that you're still in your role on these forums, but it's unnecessary, since we share the same opinion--when I'm in my own role.

[The Angry One]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Just because you don't agree with someone's views and their view of themself, you kill them and pick up a horrendously dangerous serial killer who can control anyone on your ship? 

As someone else said, this isn't a Renegade decision, its a Stupid one. 

Not really. Morinth would know that you'd toss her out an airlock if she started killing people on your ship.
Plus, the only way you even get the option to pick her is if you prove she can't control YOU so that isn't an issue.

[GodWood]

If you're too renegade Samara says she will kill you if she runs into you again after the Suicide Mission.
Theres a reason to pick Morinth.

Modifié par GodWood, 21 février 2010 - 12:51 .

[The Angry One]

PureMethodActor wrote...

I think my question was misunderstood.

I'm not asking at all whether its a smart or good choice to pick Morinth or not. All I'm asking is your opinions on how the plot played out her recruitment into the squad, like I'm just asking whether you liked, storywise, that she opted to disguise herself rather than be revealed to the rest of the squad.

Cheap copout to avoid new dialog/reactions to Morinth instead of Samara. But whatever, better than nothing.

[Internet Kraken]

Ramikadyc wrote...

If you're a hardcore Reneagade, Samara will tell you that after the mission is over she might attempt to kill you. Morinth, however, becomes subdued because you're so powerful. Kill the person threatening you, and keep the person serving you. Both are powerful, both get the job done. It's just a matter of perspective, and what role you're playing. And I have played and will play both sides of the role. I can argue against Morinth and make good points as to why she isn't worthwhile from a "good-vs-evil" standpoint, but I feel like my opinions for this thread should be focused on why you should pick her as opposed to why you shouldn't.

You recruit Morinth less than a minute after she tried to kill you. So killing Samara on the basis that she might try to kill you later doesn't make much sense, considering you are replacing her with someone that has already tried to kill you.

PureMethodActor wrote...

I think my question was misunderstood.

I'm not asking at all whether its a smart or good choice to pick Morinth or not. All I'm asking is your opinions on how the plot played out her recruitment into the squad, like I'm just asking whether you liked, storywise, that she opted to disguise herself rather than be revealed to the rest of the squad.

Oh. Well I thought that was acceptable. I'm willing to bet that your crew would begin to question your leadership if you killed Samara and brought along Morinth. Who would be loyal to you if they knew you were that, well, evil? So I think Morinth's shape shifting is fine. I can't really think of anything else they could have done.

Modifié par Internet Kraken, 21 février 2010 - 12:56 .

[Biotic_Warlock]

GodWood wrote...

If you're too renegade Samara says she will kill you if she runs into you again after the Suicide Mission.
Theres a reason to pick Morinth.

yea that's one way of putting it... also if you dont get the medi bay upgrade and you become pure renegade you apparently start looking like a demon...

[The Angry One]

Internet Kraken wrote...

You recruit Morinth less than a minute after she tried to kill you. So killing Samara on the basis that she might try to kill you later doesn't make much sense, considering you are replacing her with someone that has already tried to kill you.

To be fair, death by snu snu beats death by crushed skull.

[Ramikadyc]

Internet Kraken wrote...

Ramikadyc wrote...

If you're a hardcore Reneagade, Samara will tell you that after the mission is over she might attempt to kill you. Morinth, however, becomes subdued because you're so powerful. Kill the person threatening you, and keep the person serving you. Both are powerful, both get the job done. It's just a matter of perspective, and what role you're playing. And I have played and will play both sides of the role. I can argue against Morinth and make good points as to why she isn't worthwhile from a "good-vs-evil" standpoint, but I feel like my opinions for this thread should be focused on why you should pick her as opposed to why you shouldn't.

You recruit Morinth less than a minute after she tried to kill you. So killing Samara on the basis that she might try to kill you later doesn't make much sense, considering you are replacing her with someone that has already tried to kill you.

She didn't try to kill you, so much as she tried to kill the person you were portraying yourself as. After you prove that you're probably the only person to ever deny her--an action that requires an extremely powerful person--it's clear that she regards you in a much different manner, one that compells her to follow your commands and help you.

[tonnactus]

Internet Kraken wrote...

I don't like the way it was handled at all. Morinth was portrayed as a vile and twisted individual during Samara's loyalty mission. The game made me hate everything she did. So when it gave me the choice to pick her over Samara, I was shocked. I can't think of a single good reason to choose Morinth over Samara.

From a roleplaying standpoint: Her biotic potential is bigger.She is as strong as her mother despite the fact that she is so much younger.
For pure gaming dominate is great power,as good as reave in my opinion.Even on insanity.

[Internet Kraken]

The Angry One wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

You recruit Morinth less than a minute after she tried to kill you. So killing Samara on the basis that she might try to kill you later doesn't make much sense, considering you are replacing her with someone that has already tried to kill you.

To be fair, death by snu snu beats death by crushed skull.

I'm pretty sure its death by brain hemorrhage. Besides, Samara can't kill Shepard.

tonnactus wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

I don't like the way it was handled at all. Morinth was portrayed as a vile and twisted individual during Samara's loyalty mission. The game made me hate everything she did. So when it gave me the choice to pick her over Samara, I was shocked. I can't think of a single good reason to choose Morinth over Samara.

From a roleplaying standpoint: Her biotic potential is bigger.She is as strong as her mother despite the fact that she is so much younger.
For pure gaming dominate is great power,as good as reave in my opinion.Even on insanity.

But Morinth's biotic powers grow when she kills people through melding. So if youu want her to become an even stronger biotic, you're going to have to let her hunt people. Seems like it would be far more trouble than its worth.

And dominate is an awesome ability.  Hence why I recruited Morinth once than quickly reloaded.

Modifié par Internet Kraken, 21 février 2010 - 01:00 .