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[Frotality]

for the same reason seeing kaiden act like a krogan would annoy me, i cant stand it.

sure its an imporvement, but it makes no sense, is giving far too little context to be believable, and offers far too limited options to explore the change. there isnt so much as a "youve changed" dialogue option to explore it (yes ive heard the 'hidden dialogue with her), or so much as an email if she's your LI. the whole thing leaves you feeling like the change in character is tacked on, because with no oppurtunity to explore it, it is.

if jar jar binks started acting like a bad-ass in ep.II you wouldnt think 'awesome' you'd think "well thats a stupid way to improve the character."

[XX55XX]

I found her character change believable enough - and I actually liked her character in ME1. While BioWare could have explained her character change a little better, it doesn't take any more than a lucid mind to see that she eventually became a little disillusioned after Shepard's death. Her pursuit of the Shadow Broker may be a little obsessive, it was believable enough.

Hopefully, this will fleshed out in ME3 or a future DLC (listening to rumors, anyone?)

[tango jack]

I dont like Liara at all she mkae me want to chuck.

Modifié par tango jack, 21 février 2010 - 04:08 .

[Politely]

Her penciled-in eyebrows bug me. Other than that, I neither like or dislike her.

[DarkNova50]

I really liked Liara's personality in ME1. She was a naive, sort of innocent type girl, amongst a crew of professional soldiers, mercenaries, and...well, Tali. Considering my main Shepard was sort of a Paragade type, she was the perfect crew member to keep him along the righteous path, and not stray too far away from it. She was awesome.



Then, Mass Effect 2 came. That same loveable, sweet Asari girl I rescued and comforted during the first game had turned into a **** the likes of which I'm sure Benezia would have been proud of. Casually talking about murdering people, almost laughing at the prospect, even...she'd become even more calloused than Shepard had. It was just fortunate that there was another, a kind hearted Quarian, there to help him when he needed it most.



More than just Shepard died on the SR1.



RIP, Liara T'Soni. I don't know what happened to you, but I did not see you on Illium.

[Solitas777]

I didn't like the direction but I could have accepted it if they had fleshed out the character more and made my characters reactions make sense.

[Cutlass Jack]

In ME1 she came off as a really smart 14 year old. Made me feel like a pedophile when she got into 'awkward' conversations with me.



In ME2, she changed a bit...To a really angry, vengeful 15 year old. I can't decide if its an improvement or not.

[MassEffect762]

A "dramatic" flashback explaining SOME of the past events would have helped her case I think.

[Missouri Tigers]

I liked it, but I hated her new voice.  She didn't sound more mature, she just sounded like she had a cold.  

Also, Anderson sounded like that too.

[DrowNoble]

Without reading the ME comic, a lot of the lore as to what happened to Liara from Normandy's desctruction to Illium is missing. They should of put some kind of reference ingame for those that didn't read the comic to help make sense of her change in attitude.



Otherwise I really didn't have a problem with her change. It had been 2+ years since she last saw Shephard. People move on and change.

[Srslydude01]

DarkNova50 wrote...

RIP, Liara T'Soni. I don't know what happened to you, but I did not see you on Illium.

I am going to have to respectfully disagree. I would say if anything Liara is more alive now then in ME1. Considering she went through an entire ordeal just to get Shepard's body in Cerberus' hands so they could rebuild him/her, she has experienced a lot and has changed from being innocent to being a lot more hardened, but she is still the same person. The way Shepard breaks down her barriers after each step of the errand he/she does for her really brings her personality out. Once you let Liara know that Nyxeris(sp?) is the Observer, you then have the opportunity to ask Liara about what is going on, if you pick the right option. You then truly see the same girl she was in ME1.

She was afraid that Shepard would "hate" her for giving his/her body to Cerberus and to be used by them. You also get a sense of what she went through with the emotion in her words as she talks about Feron, her friend, getting captured by the Shadow Broker. She is probably one of the most complicated characters in the series atm, you have to really go into it to see the whole story.

Modifié par Srslydude01, 21 février 2010 - 04:29 .

[DarkNova50]

Srslydude01 wrote...

She was afraid that Shepard would "hate" her for giving his/her body to Cerberus and to be used by them. You also get a sense of what she went through with the emotion in her words as she talks about Feron, her friend, getting captured by the Shadow Broker. She is probably one of the most complicated characters in the series atm, you have to really go into it to see the whole story.

And therein lies another of my problems.

I got that speech from Liara during my first playthrough. Thing is, she saw, just like everybody else, the kind of **** Cerberus was up to in ME1. Experimenting with Rachni, enslaving Thorian Creepers, all sorts of delightfully nightmarish experiments being conducted...and then she gives Shepard's body over to them.

Given how she was always the voice of morality in ME1 (at least the way that I saw it), this just helped further cement in my mind that she was not at all the same person. At least, that's how I took the whole situation.

Personally, I'd like to see the opportunity to redeen Liara in ME3, to bring her back to the way she was.

[Srslydude01]

Well, Cerberus was the only organization that could bring Shepard back to life. So it was either give Shepard's body to Cerberus or her/she stays dead. Liara cares enough about Shepard regardless of him/her being in a romance with her to risk her life so the Shadow Broker wouldn't sell Shepard's body to the Collector's. I would say, from what I have found out, that her caring for Shepard does stem from the fact that he/she was her "first." In the sense of seeing into another's mind which is an intimate behavior for an asari from what I understand.

[Nozybidaj]

marshalleck wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

The general direction is an okay idea. Not a great one, but okay. They just went so over board with the "dark and edgy" that it is hard to take it seriously as genuine character development instead of just bad writing.

Oh come on, you didn't think the coffee cup line was like, totally awesome!?

For Jack to have said it? Sure.  It's not something Liara would say though, so no.  Whoever wrote her lines and decided the general direction for the character obviously had no understanding of the character from ME1.

[Juztinb42]

I really liked Liara from ME1.  Sure, she was pretty annoying with being overwhelmed by every little thing and sometimes I wanted to slap her.  But overall I think she was a really nice character and someone that I would definitely take home to Mom and Dad (the same can't be said for Jack).

In ME2 her skin got gross, her curves weren't as evident since she was wearing a robe, her personality went to the pooper, and worst of all, she wasn't interested in reviving the relationship.  Sure, if she said she could go back to being with Shepard and being the person she used to be, I would go back to her.  In fact, that's what I expect her to do in ME3.

But in ME2 there is just nothing appealing about her.  It doesn't matter to me what she could be, it's more of what she is now.  So, for now, Miranda is the girl for me!

[Nozybidaj]

Juztinb42 wrote...

I really liked Liara from ME1.  Sure, she was pretty annoying with being overwhelmed by every little thing and sometimes I wanted to slap her.  But overall I think she was a really nice character and someone that I would definitely take home to Mom and Dad (the same can't be said for Jack).

In ME2 her skin got gross, her curves weren't as evident since she was wearing a robe, her personality went to the pooper, and worst of all, she wasn't interested in reviving the relationship.  Sure, if she said she could go back to being with Shepard and being the person she used to be, I would go back to her.  In fact, that's what I expect her to do in ME3.

But in ME2 there is just nothing appealing about her.  It doesn't matter to me what she could be, it's more of what she is now.  So, for now, Miranda is the girl for me!

Sad thing is BW sees your reaction as a job well done.  Instead of taking a liked/loved character and giving her a deserving and natural character progression we got .... whatever this is that we got. <_<

[stormrain]

Liara was one of my favorite characters from ME1, so her character change in the second game worries me.  Bioware better have a good explination for the 3rd game...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

In ME1 she came off as a really smart 14 year old. Made me feel like a pedophile when she got into 'awkward' conversations with me.

In ME2, she changed a bit...To a really angry, vengeful 15 year old. I can't decide if its an improvement or not.

This made me laugh more than I should have.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

I cant really say much about the "direction", since there was none. It was less than 10 minutes, and overall a catastrophically crap role.

I still see far more potential in her character than the crap we got foisted off with in ME2. Part of me really hopes 80-90% of the ME2 squad gets cameod in ME3. They were almost all crap when Im in a bad mood, and hardly bearable when Im in a good mood. Even Tali and Garrus, who I liked, have now been relegated to that same "couldnt give a crap" pile.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 21 février 2010 - 11:41 .

[Bann Duncan]

I didn't do the Liaramance in ME, but even so I was touched by how evident her care for Shep was in ME2 (even before she tells the story of his body). Maybe it was because I had just come from Horizon and the rocky meeting with Ash, but it was great how Liara told the Observer to hold her calls and made time for Shepard. She mentioned the danger of being bugged and my Shep believed her. Out of loyalty to the old crew and the help Liara provided against Sovereign, he went straight ahead to her missions, then talked to her and found out the whole story with the shadowbroker.

It's quite evident that Liara loves Shep whether or not the feeling is mutual. She might be trying to act tough, but Shep is her soft spot, her proverbial 'rock'. He was the person who brought her out of the tombs of the past and into (the worst of) everyday society - it's hard to imagine that losing him wouldn't shake her faith in the universe. I wasn't too much of a Liara fan in ME, but after ME 2 I appreciate her a lot more.

(Btw, I used 'he' to mean Shep out of habit but obviously ditto for FemShep)

[Wildhide]

jtav wrote...

ME Liara grated on my nerves. She came off as almost too sweet and a bit weak (Did she have to nearly faint after EVERY mission?) But her newfound Shadow Broker obsession excites me.  There's a lot the writers can do with it. I can definitely see a subplot where Liara is forced to choose between vengance and Shepard/saving the galaxy. The callback to Benezia was very deliberate. Will she become her mother or can she pull herself back from the abyss? I think it has the potetial for some of the most emotionally wrenching storytelling since TOB. And it would be impossible if Liara was still a sweet, naive kid.

Liara has come off as rather flat and poorly developed to me.  It may have a lot to do with how her lines are delivered. She always sounds so disinterested in everything that I had trouble being interested in her as a character.  I avoided taking her in ME1, and in ME2 she didn't really seem any different, except she babbled about the Shadow Broker instead of Protheans.  Seemed like she could have been much better, since it was a good concept.

[MutantSpleen]

I liked her, she is more up to speed with my Shepard (renegade) now. Looking forward to continuing our relationship. I don't really think Liara got any less time than Kaiden\\\\Ashley because they spend half the conversation yelling at you about being with Cerberus and calling you a traitor, at least Liara was happy to see me. Plus since Liara is a lot more tied into bringing Shep back to life she probably has a much larger future story.

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 21 février 2010 - 03:31 .

[Skyblade012]

I don't mind new Liara at all.



What I am wondering about is how her new character is going to continue on. All the people who romanced Liara in ME1 romanced a naive, innocent little Asari. Then the next game pops around and she is a powerful entity hunting down the most powerful force in the universe, hunting down one of the most notorious figures in the universe, and crushing anything in her path.



It's a big change, and it should have everyone worried about what is going to happen to their love interests in ME3. It's ok that she changed and moved on. But will you want to stay with someone who became the opposite of what attracted you to her in the first place? And do you not wonder what sort of changes the other love interests will go through when we get back together with them in ME3, even the love interests from ME2?

[MutantSpleen]

Skyblade012 wrote...

I don't mind new Liara at all.

What I am wondering about is how her new character is going to continue on. All the people who romanced Liara in ME1 romanced a naive, innocent little Asari. Then the next game pops around and she is a powerful entity hunting down the most powerful force in the universe, hunting down one of the most notorious figures in the universe, and crushing anything in her path.

It's a big change, and it should have everyone worried about what is going to happen to their love interests in ME3. It's ok that she changed and moved on. But will you want to stay with someone who became the opposite of what attracted you to her in the first place? And do you not wonder what sort of changes the other love interests will go through when we get back together with them in ME3, even the love interests from ME2?

See as a female I was romancing both her and Kaidan in ME1 at the same time. One thing I noticed is Liara has a fire in her, even the shy awkward Liara had moments of boldness in ME1. That's why I chose her over Kaidan, he was too reserved and couldn't make a move. Liara knew what she wanted and let me know.  Another time is right when you get to Illos, everyone else on the team is moaning about how we will never make the landing we can't do it, its too risky. Liara is the only one who knows that its now or never and she says so.

[Forwen]

I really disliked ME Liara (one bangable adolescent virgin coming up!) and found her ME2 incarnation much more interesting, with one very serious flaw. It's totally unbelievable. There's no way she could change so much in two years. There's no way she could achieve so much in her new field in two years. She all but abandoned her 50-years research into Protheans right after the biggest discovery in the field has been made? Ilos, Vigil, later the Collectors?

Way too far-fetched. But she can stew in her hate fog for all I care, I always derail her search for the Observer anyway. Not screwing with SB for your little obsessions, sweetheart.

Modifié par Forwen, 21 février 2010 - 03:40 .