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[Schneidend]

gmartin40 wrote...

I like that quote. I've seen it before.

Well, the point was to show you the flaw in your protest of Cerberus and such. If you do not accept Cerberus' aid, then you are the "good man doing nothing" to which the quote refers. The moral high-ground you are taking would only serve to give you a good spot from which to watch the extinction of humanity.

[Schneidend]

gmartin40 wrote...
It's not like humanity isn't doing that to themselves already... The universe is divided and the only way to stop the Reaper threat is to come together. That means uniting Cerberus and Alliance and all humans so together they can contol the Reaper threat. But, this isn't going to happen so it's better to die and watch the destruction than to live and try to help everyone. Most likely, if Shepard succeds in ME3 in stopping the Reapers, humanity will destroy itself, kinda like we are doing right now in 2010 on Earth.

ME2 isn't about stopping the reapers completely, it's about addressing a more immediate threat. If you don't stop the collectors, there won't be a humanity to attempt to unite. Besides, the most important thing in regards to what you're saying is getting the Council to acknowledge the reaper threat. If Shepard does that, the Systems Alliance would simply have to fall in and join the fight or risk becoming a backwater civilization like the batarians.

[Pauravi]

gmartin40 wrote...

It's not like humanity isn't doing that to themselves already... The universe is divided and the only way to stop the Reaper threat is to come together. That means uniting Cerberus and Alliance and all humans so together they can contol the Reaper threat. But, this isn't going to happen so it's better to die and watch the destruction than to live and try to help everyone.

That's a pretty defeatest attitude.
Your analysis is wrong.  Uniting the universe does not mean uniting Cerberus and the Alliance.  That is only the humans.  There are a lot of other groups that can be turned to.

[JrayM16]

I like the new Liara direction, however her execution was a bit off. I liked the new personality, however the context wasnt very beleivable. I also like the role for her, dealing info, hunting the SB, and I really like what this could mean for ME3, particularly depending on how the quest was completed.

[hwf]

Liara's personality seems unchanged to me.

Yes, the way she presents herself is radically different, sure - but that's a result of her personality.

There are several posts in this thread already covered how I felt about Liara's cameo in Mass Effect 2, so I won't bother.



I liked her evolving story and it'll be very interesting to see the comic and perhaps even her DLC.



All I'd like to say now to folks who are upset about her appearance and script in ME2: "Appearances can be deceiving"!

[juxtaposedjoker]

I liked it too once I saw all the damn dialog options.  I'm more perturbed with Shepards lack of reaction that Liara's hardening.  I think Liara is more interesting now and I think it would be unrealistic for her to not be changed by previous events.  Though, I'm two comics into those events and so far I very much feel like I'm reading about the old Liara.  I'm hoping the next two portray the metamorphasis or at the very least give us an understanding of how the events of Redemption would harden Liara over the next two years.  Right now it just feels like a typical mission no more stressful than anything she went through in ME1 so whatever it was it needs to be realistic otherwise I'll end up not liking the change because it will seem disjointed.

[Saurel]

Op:

You are not alone.

I like bipolar professional Liara. I really disliked miss faint-alot in ME1. I know I'm in the minority

[MICHELLE7]

I really didn't think Liara came across so hardened myself. I thought she was kind of more obsessed than anything. Once you get to the end of her quest and she tells you that she gave Cerberus Shep's body, you get a flash of innocent sweet Liara again. She may never go back to being the same Liara that we knew in ME, but I would think that once she has taken care of the Shadow Broker that we'll see some of that sweetness that was a part of her character return...especially towards Shep.

[Nozybidaj]

hwf wrote...


All I'd like to say now to folks who are upset about her appearance and script in ME2: "Appearances can be deceiving"!

Well part of it is just her putting up a front (acting like her mother) which I understand, I get that.   At first she tries to hide behind that because she is afraid of how Shep is going to react, I get that. 

Part of it isn't just a front (squishing people into coffee cups) which just seems unnecessarily overboard and out of character for Liara.  

The other half is Shep sitting there like a statue once she does start to open up which is just a glaring lack of foresight on BW's part.

I understand the general direction they wanted to point the character.  I like it, Liara was the only one that cared about Shep enough not to give up on him and because of all this apparent "bad stuff" she goes through (the last two comics are gonna have to be brutal for it all to make sense) she has hardened a bit.  That in and of itself isn't bad.  It is the over the top dialogue in ME2 that ruined it.  I don't buy the fact that her personality would change "that much" in the two years, which is nothing to an Asari who lives for 1,000.

They still need to come up with some big "thing" that is going to cause her to devote every waking moment of her life to hunting down the Shadow Broker at the exclusion of all else including seeing her lover and the one person she went through all of this in the first place for return to her and tell her it is okay.  It would have to be something absolutely mind blowing horrible to accept that.

If it turns out that it is just to get revenge for some "bad" thing the SB may or may not have done to some random sleazy guy she knew for 3 days then it is all going to fall apart very quickly.

[juxtaposedjoker]

If it turns out that it is just to get revenge for some "bad" thing the SB may or may not have done to some random sleazy guy she knew for 3 days then it is all going to fall apart very quickly.

Exactly!  If the comics don't depict something more telling soon I'm gonna be rather paturbed. 

[Collider]

Nightwriter wrote...

Meh.

I approve of the new direction of her character but it didn't seem genuine.

I really don't know what I mean by that.

A lot of the reasons why Liara is like this is explained in the comics. So I assume that is why you feel it doesn't seem genuine.

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Anyway, I like Liara less now. The fact that she said she would kill all 5 of those suspects for revenge, if Shepard did not help her track the real culprit down, is very telling and offputting.

[Nozybidaj]

Collider wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Meh.

I approve of the new direction of her character but it didn't seem genuine.

I really don't know what I mean by that.

A lot of the reasons why Liara is like this is explained in the comics. So I assume that is why you feel it doesn't seem genuine.

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Anyway, I like Liara less now. The fact that she said she would kill all 5 of those suspects for revenge, if Shepard did not help her track the real culprit down, is very telling and offputting.

Another good example of where the writers just went completely overboard and out of character for no reason other than cheap "shock value".  Don't blame Liara there Collider, she can't help the way she is written.