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[Cruisin1500]

k I have read every thread every where on every forum.

alot of people who have jack unloyal as a result of the miranda squabble after jacks mission have been able to get jack to survive.

no matter what team make up I choose she dies.

here is what I have tried.

tali vents
miranda leader both teams.
jacob with crew
somara - biotic shield
thane and grunt with me always

people recommended garrus as leader, especially since jack objects in the briefing room. so i tried garrus as leader for both teams, as leader for second team, as leader for first team. she dies still. i tried keeping jack with me, she dies on the platform, to be expected. i even tried keeping miranda with me so jack never has to see her...... the only thing left to try is do everything as above but don't keep miranda with me, so jack doesn't think i want her next to me. or maybe dont have a relationship with miranda when she stops me when i set course for the omega 4 relay?

can any unloyal jack survivor people say what team you chose, if you're paragon or renegade, what gender your main character is, and who you chose to have a relationship with, those vriables might help.

ive kept jacob holding the line and sent grunt back with the crew, jack dies still. no matter what i do. everyone agrees ive tried everything right. tali in vents, garrus as leader and another loyal team member with crew. jack always dies when i ask if the hold the line team made it back, you see the collectors walking over her body. no one else dies ever period.

did bioware make some patch that makes any unloyal member die no matter what? even if they do nothing?

[Zhaosen]

Leave grunt. Grunt should be able to hold the line. Yes yes, you want grunt with you but cmon

Also, you dont have jack loyal? there you go.

And live with the consequence man, jack dies, thats your story.

Modifié par Zhaosen, 21 février 2010 - 05:59 .

[Jonezyy]

Just hold off doing jacks loyalty mission. Until you're full paragon/renagade.

[kcp12]

Take weaker character with you to the last battle. Each character has a "hold the line" value which is hidden to you.



So send mordin with the crew. Take Tali and someone like Thane with you. Leave strong characters like Grunt and Zaeed holding the line.

[Keltoris]

Side with Jack in the argument if you don't have the Paragon/Renegade. Then apologise to Miranda.

Leaving Jack on the Line and she'll have a chance, provided the rest of the line is good.

[cutthecameras]

I hear any unloyal squad mates just die. I'm curious if that theory is wrong.



My friend didn't pick Zaeed for anything (he was unloyal)...in the end the collectors were walking over his corpse too. Got himself killed, probably did something stupid. It makes sense that people who aren't loyal to you would second-guess you I think.

[Jayce]

I've completed the game with Jack disloyal and she's lived just fine. Are you sure your talking to her and getting her unique upgrades? Lot's of people are having Mordin die randomly on them because they sometimes forget to ask him about his personal omni-tool upgrade. It could be the same story with the L5x implants and the multi-core amp for Jack.

Modifié par Jayce F, 21 février 2010 - 06:04 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Cruisin1500 wrote...

did bioware make some patch that makes any unloyal member die no matter what? even if they do nothing?

Short answer... No

Longer answer... in theory you should be able to get everyone out alive with only 4 loyal people. But it has to be the right people for the right jobs.

Vent runner, Biotic, Leader and Escort.

Your 'Door Defence' pretty much wants to be filled mostly with 'combat' spec characters.

[JMKnave]

You can either send her back as escort to the crew, although she may die during this section as well. You may want to send Mordin, Tali, or Thane back as escort.

I think your only real option is to leave Grunt, Jacob, Garrus, Miranda, Legion, and Zaeed behind. They are all good at holding the line. So long as they are loyal they should protect Jack. Take Mordin, Tali, Thane, or Samara with you.

As confirmed during the superbowl live show, you can have everyone survive with just 3 people loyal. So long as you made the ship upgrades and personal item upgrades I believe and chosen the right people for the right assignments.

Modifié par JMKnave, 21 février 2010 - 06:11 .

[Cruisin1500]

Jayce F wrote...

I've completed the game with Jack disloyal and she's lived just fine. Are you sure your talking to her and getting her unique upgrades? Lot's of people are having Mordin die randomly on them because they sometimes forget to ask him about his personal omni-tool upgrade. It could be the same story with the L5x implants and the multi-core amp for Jack.

i cant talk to her anymore...ever since early on in the game. which is probably why she dies. because i actually did her loyalty mission like second or third. so the entire rest of the game i left her in the engine room lol.

 i guess other people who got her to live while she is unloyal, did her loyalty mission later on after they were able to upgrade her. but where do i get her special upgrades? because i have upgaded my entire ship and all my weapons armor and shields and i think biotics too. i even have like 300k of each mineral except element zero, yeh i did way too much mining, hope that in 2 years if that mechanic exists, my imported game comes with the minerals

ill reload from earlier and try to get her upgrades before the attack on the normandy as well. if i dont have them.

[flem1]

Cruisin1500 wrote...
thane and grunt with me always

This is your problem.  Grunt is a beast at the line, so you want him there.  I believe Jack is right there with Tali and Mordin in line squishiness, so take those weaklings out of the equation by bringing them to the final battle or on escort.  (Not sure who the third person to take out of the line is -- Thane maybe?)  Make sure Grunt, Garrus, and Zaeed are all on the line.

Either that or side with Jack.  Miranda is less squishy.

Modifié par flem1, 21 février 2010 - 06:12 .

[SavagePassenger]

Don't take Jack with you while Samara is doing your barrier, or on the last fight. If you leave Grunt, Zaeed, and Garrus holding the line with the others its unlikely Jack will die. They seem to be the strongest defenders. It worked for me at least.

[JMKnave]

No, if you take her with you to the final battle she'll be crushed by the falling debris.



You can talk to her about "Upgrades" for her impant research project. You can also check your main class skill with the paragon option. So long as you chose the one with 100% Paragon/Renegade and not the 70% one, you should be able to make the check for the conversation option. If not, you can always "Retrain Powers" at the research terminal and respec to it. It's 2500 ezo to do so, speak with her and then do it again to respec back.

[SandTrout]

Miranda is also easier to apologize to if you don't side with her in the argument in my experience. Jack is nearly impossible.

[LuckyShot74]

Whoever you side with in the fights, bring that person to your final fight and the loser of the argument has a better chance of living. So if you take Miranda's side, then bring Miranda to the final fight.

Miranda was not loyal in my game and I ran through the ending twice, once leaving both Jack and Miranda and once taking Jack to the end fight. Miranda died the first time and she lived the time I brought Jack to the final fight.  I understand that some people have done the same with Tali/Legion.

can any unloyal jack survivor people say what team you chose, if you're
paragon or renegade, what gender your main character is, and who you
chose to have a relationship with, those vriables might help.

Legion Vents
Garrus Team 2
Grunt and Modin in squad.

Samara Bio
Grunt and Jacob in squad
Garrus Team 2
Mordin escort

End run one:  Grunt and Saeed
End run two:  Grunt and Jack.

All loyal except Miranda.  Male character.  No relationship, kept faithful to Liara.  80-20 Paragon. 

Modifié par LuckyShot74, 21 février 2010 - 06:23 .

[Jayce]

Cruisin1500 wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

I've completed the game with Jack disloyal and she's lived just fine. Are you sure your talking to her and getting her unique upgrades? Lot's of people are having Mordin die randomly on them because they sometimes forget to ask him about his personal omni-tool upgrade. It could be the same story with the L5x implants and the multi-core amp for Jack.

 i guess other people who got her to live while she is unloyal, did her loyalty mission later on after they were able to upgrade her. but where do i get her special upgrades? because i have upgaded my entire ship and all my weapons armor and shields and i think biotics too. i even have like 300k of each mineral except element zero, yeh i did way too much mining, hope that in 2 years if that mechanic exists, my imported game comes with the minerals

Talk to her after you first pick her up from Purgatory. Go into the investigate options and select the UPGRADES option. She'll tell you about the L5x implants. You get her mulitcore amp during her loyalty mission if you make sure to hack the research terminals on Pragia.

Those should make her unkillable, even if she's disloyal, during the hold the line segment.

Modifié par Jayce F, 21 février 2010 - 06:23 .

[Cruisin1500]

i respecced to 100% paragon but the meter didnt go up, its about half way through the final level. after respeccing to 100% i tried, and no go on the convo option. i wish i had respecced out some skills wayyy earlier. i never use pull. im a vanguard and i use shockwave the most... i woulda had full paragon by now if i had.



dont see anyone saying they got jack alive, while she was unloyal.



i also did not download the cerberus zaeed content yet, if i do, do i have to do some mission? because im at the point where i just got attacked, if i dont go into the relay now i might lose some crew.



i have a save a bit back, but i dont want to use it if i dont have to, so does getting zaeed make him pop up or i have to do a mission?

[JMKnave]

Zaeed is on Omega right by the docking area. But he does have a loyalty mission. It wont help you if you don't wanna lose any crew. Try what lucky posted. Take miranda with you and someone like Tali/Thane for the final battle.

[SavagePassenger]

I meant to say in my post Jack was not loyal. I know it works because I replayed the mission and both times she survived.



You can get Zaeed without doing a mission but he also has a loyalty mission.



Really having strong defenders on the line is the best way to get everyone out. Having Grunt, Zaeed and Garrus there is the best but you could always try it with two out of three.

[NYG1991]

i had unloyal jack survive.

garrus-fireteam leader both times
samara- shield
mordin-escort crew
tali+thane with me for final fight

not only did jack survive but she was the one giving me the sitrep as to how they were doing holding the line.

zaeed was also unloyal and he survived too.

bottom line... garrus doesn't lose anybody

Modifié par NYG1991, 21 février 2010 - 06:34 .

[Crimson Shame]

Jack was the only one unloyal on my No One Left Behind playthrough and she survived. Here's what I chose:



-Tali vents

-Garrus both 2nd team leads

-Mordin with the crew

-Samara as the biotic

-Miranda and Grunt in my squad every time

[SavagePassenger]

NYG1991 wrote...

i had unloyal jack survive.

garrus-fireteam leader both times
samara- shield
mordin-escort crew
tali+thane with me for final fight

not only did jack survive but she was the one giving me the sitrep as to how they were doing holding the line.

zaeed was also unloyal and he survived too.

bottom line... garrus doesn't lose anybody

Yep that's how it worked out for me too. I just had Miranda and thane at the end fight.

[NYG1991]

Jonezyy wrote...

Just hold off doing jacks loyalty mission. Until you're full paragon/renagade.

even putting that mission off. i have trouble getting enough par/ren for the persuasion check. the only way i have enough points either way is if i import an ME1 toon and get the bonus paraon/renegade points

[NICKjnp]

NYG1991 wrote...

Jonezyy wrote...

Just hold off doing jacks loyalty mission. Until you're full paragon/renagade.

even putting that mission off. i have trouble getting enough par/ren for the persuasion check. the only way i have enough points either way is if i import an ME1 toon and get the bonus paraon/renegade points

Not true at all.  NG+ takes away paragon/renegade and I've had Jack loyal every single time.  You just have to make sure you are either paragon or renegade.  You can't be an even mix between both.  One or the other... sorry.

[NYG1991]

NICKjnp wrote...

NYG1991 wrote...

Jonezyy wrote...

Just hold off doing jacks loyalty mission. Until you're full paragon/renagade.

even putting that mission off. i have trouble getting enough par/ren for the persuasion check. the only way i have enough points either way is if i import an ME1 toon and get the bonus paraon/renegade points

Not true at all.  NG+ takes away paragon/renegade and I've had Jack loyal every single time.  You just have to make sure you are either paragon or renegade.  You can't be an even mix between both.  One or the other... sorry.

yeah ng+ is where i get messed up. i start with zero par/ren and just cant seem to work up high enough. but when i import my ME1 paragon i start with +190 paragon points and its easy. i can even mess around with some renegade interrupts. headbutting krogan FTW