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[WilliamShatner]

Well he was originally intended to be.



When you talk to him on the Normandy the intro cutscene with Shepard walking into frame just screams, "this is a love interest." And that happens whether female Shepard or male Shepard.

[Ryzaki]

Also for added irony on the whole Bisexual = whimsical and not faithful argument. Both Morrigan and Alistair are willing to break up with you quite easily for not choosing an option they agree with. Both can be "lost" forever for doing something that is quite justifiable. Ironically enough the two bi options. Don't. Zevran stays by your side after you get past his crisis moment (That you only need +33 approval to achieve), Leliana only turns against you if you choose to side with a bunch of psychos (and you can intimidate/persuade/not bring her along) and totally avoid the problem by lying afterwards. You can't do such a thing with Morrigan and Alistair. (not to mention Alistair for the beloved straight LI is really shaky in his love for the PC not to mention his utter lack of a spine. With Zev its understandable but with Ali its plain pathetic. ) 

Puts a little hole in the whole bisexual means unfaithful argument no?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 février 2010 - 10:51 .

[Ryzaki]

Oh yeah does anyone have links to the FemShep x Ashley mod?

[sw33ts]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Well he was originally intended to be.

When you talk to him on the Normandy the intro cutscene with Shepard walking into frame just screams, "this is a love interest." And that happens whether female Shepard or male Shepard.

lul what?  I need to restart ME1.

[Ryzaki]

sw33ts wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Well he was originally intended to be.

When you talk to him on the Normandy the intro cutscene with Shepard walking into frame just screams, "this is a love interest." And that happens whether female Shepard or male Shepard.

lul what?  I need to restart ME1.

Its hysterical. You can just youtube the vids if you want to see it. I'll give you links if you'd like. But yeah. He whips his brow and there's this weird moment between him and Shep. Its hilarious.

[Seaohn]

Ryzaki wrote...

Seaohn wrote...

I know. But turning Kaidan (or some other straight character) bi is an awful idea for me, it can ruin the character. I think you already played DA, so you know how anounimous Leliana and Zevran romance were, besides the Alistair and Morrigan ones... that's aaaaaaaall IMO.

Well for Zevran I meant someone how likes sex and blah blah blah. Or someone like Kelly.

...someone being Bi doesn't make them sleazy. <_< Ali could have been convievably Bisexual as well. Morrigan (well I think she's a b**** and was only using the Warden for one thing so yeah she's probably not sleep with a F!Warden). Leliana wasn't sleazy either so yeah that argument can GTFO. Zevran was raped from the age of 8 and taught to seduce everyone and everything. That's his character. He takes love wherever he can find it, man, woman if they can love him he'll accept it. Also you know NOTHING about either Leliana's or Zevran's romances to be suggesting that they fool around on the Warden ESPECIALLY not Zevran's. <_<

Seriously...though what? Zev is faithful to you after you romance him as is Leliana so I don't get where you're getting this anoumious? Wtf is that do you mean amorous? 

So like...yeah I don't know where you're getting these obviously sterotypical views of bisexuals from but they're wrong.

Kaidan being bisexual isn't suddenly going to make him into a manw**** that sleeps with everything he sees or make him start prancing around in pink. (Too late for that. )
Turning someone Bi does nothing but make them Bi. Their characterization isn't ruined.

Unless said character was a skirt chaser or the likes. And hell I've seen animes pull that off perfectly fine.

Edit: Also Morrigan is just as sleazy as Leliana and Zev are. She talks about the men her mother had lured into their hut in the woods and "used". So yeah. The only non-sleazy members of your party are the unromanceables (excluding Oghren) and Alistair because he's a virgin. (And hell by the end of the game you can have him sleep with Isabella, Your PC, Morrigan, and Anora so he's not that "pure and innocent" either in some playthroughs.).

Seriously though if you're going to slam characters for being sleazy and the like actually I don't know play their romances to completion before saying anything. (And yes I know that sounds odd with my reactions about Morrigan but I saw that as all an act personally especially considering she ditches you if things don't go her way).

Also your whole "Bisexuals are more amourous." falls on its ass when you realize ONLY the straight options are willing to ditch you if you don't dance around them and make the choices they most agree with.

Edit: Amazing right? The bisexual "amorous/sleazy" guy ends up being the most faithful and reliable of the LIs. Who would have thought!!!!

Maybe you didn't understand what I meant. I played DA so I know all the story. My "like Zevran" meant, like you wrote, someone who "takes love wherever he can find it, man, woman if they can love him he'll accept it." A new character like this is welcomed, but just the idea of turning someone bi just make me laugh. And I repeat, ALL IN MY OPINION.

ps. (For the anonymous (sorry for the mistake), yes, I found the bi ones anonymous (just leave this comment be, I cannot express better in english what I think XD). In my first play with a Male Warden in DA, i chose Leliana, but other than her beautiful characterization, I found the romance meh. I preferred Morrigan's and Alistair's.)

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Arik7 wrote...

Seaohn wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Bisexual Kaidan in ME3. I'd like that very much. Come on BioWare!

Eww... no!! Absolutely no! Maybe a new character, but leave him be.

www.youtube.com/watch

I totally knew it, I will admit this thread was a joke thread but I alway suspected that originally Kaidan was meant to be a potential LI for a gay male shep. I know that vid is probably fairly old and most people already know about it, I am pretty late to come to this conclusion but that vid pretty much confirms that Bioware originally intended Kaidan to be a potential LI for a gay male shep.

[Ryzaki]

Seaohn wrote...
Maybe you didn't understand what I meant. I played DA so I know all the story. My "like Zevran" meant, like you wrote, someone who "takes love wherever he can find it, man, woman if they can love him he'll accept it." A new character like this is welcomed, but just the idea of turning someone bi just make me laugh. And I repeat, ALL IN MY OPINION.

ps. (For the anonymous (sorry for the mistake), yes, I found the bi ones anonymous (just leave this comment be, I cannot express better in english what I think XD). In my first play with a Male Warden in DA, i chose Leliana, but other than her beautiful characterization, I found the romance meh. I preferred Morrigan's and Alistair's.)

Some doesn't have to be Bisexual to take "love wherever they can find it." You realize this yes? 

Also Leliana is not sleazy she says so herself. Several conversations with her and Alisitair on how "their were rules about that sort of thing. Strict rules." and do you really believe men would have been happily seduced by someone they found to be sleazy? Really? Morrigan one of the "straight" romances on the other hand... And fine you preferred Alistiar's and Morrigan's. (and obviously didn't completely read my post. Whatever). Just one thing Bisexual =/= willing to sleep with everything and anything. I don't care if that's your opinion. Its WRONG. I could just as easily say all Itlaians are sleazy drunks. Doesn't make that true either. And the idea that someone being bisexual makes them completely "different" makes me laugh. Mostly because its a steaming heap of BS. I could understand if you said you don't want the characters to be bisexual and would prefer a new character be the Bi Option because of it. But to say it would make them "completely different and unrealistic" is ridculous.

Once again. Did not read my post, as I pointed out clearly how Zevran grew up "amorous" as a product of his enviornment. He's not sleazy beacause of his sexuality, (And frankly if you bothered digging underneath the surface he really isn't sleazy at all). he's that way because that was the way he was molded from birth. Just like why Morrigan, Leliana, and Alistiar are the way they are its a running theme in that game. And ironically enough, while you like Morrigan's and Alistair's I prefer Leliana's and Zevran. At least they stay with you to the end without you having to jump through bloody hoops for their all so precious "love".

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2010 - 11:15 .

[Seaohn]

Let's leave at this, you want it, I don't! Simple!

You have your thoughts, I've mine.

[Ryzaki]

Fine whatever but the whole bisexual = amorous thing is still a steaming pile of BS. And you once again didn't read my post. *sighs* Well ignorance is bliss or so I'm told.

But yes I want bi Kaidan! The way he was originally intended. T_T

Baring that another good looking human without ridculous hair would be nice. (Actually I'd prefer another human over Kaidan and Kaidan over a male alien.)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2010 - 11:21 .

[Seaohn]

I simply do not agree, ignorance or not.

[Ryzaki]

Seaohn wrote...

I simply do not agree, ignorance or not.

Don't agree that not all Bisexual people aren't amorous? That in itself is ignorant. Not believing Kaidan is Bi is simply disagreeing, and frankly a perfectly valid opinion. But saying he's not bi because he's not a manw**** is ignorant.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2010 - 11:25 .

[Seaohn]

But I not telling that!! I'm saying that turning magically someone into a bi one, I find it strange and unrealistic. Zevran's example was the first passed in my mind, so you want a bi one, I prefer a new character. Nothing more. 

Modifié par Seaohn, 22 février 2010 - 11:26 .

[Ryzaki]

Seaohn wrote...

But I not telling that!! I'm saying that turning magically someone into a bi one, I find it strange and unrealistic. Zevran's example was the first passed in my mind.

He wouldn't be magically turning bisexual though. He's not a "ladies" man. And heck he doesn't even have any woman he was "serious" about until FemShep. And do you know what the word amorous means? I'm not trying to rag on you but do you? Becuase by using that lead me to believe that you have some weird belief that all bisexuals are willinging to sleep with whoever and not stay faithful to their partners. Which is once again. Untrue.

Then again. You find it strange and unrealistic I see it as nothing different than revealing another facet of his personality.

So yeah we're not going to convince each other. Drop the bisexual = amorous BS though and after that we're cool.

And Leliana was closer to a full blown lesbian than a Bisexual. While Zev was more "sleep with anything that moves" that wasn't him being bisexual. That was him being...well him.

Edit: Heck Leliana wouldn't stay out of love for my Female character while the Male Character I was trying to romance her with never managed too. And for someone so sleazy and amorous it was easy to get Zevran to back off (a little too easy I once turned off the romance by mistake. Good thing there was the power of reload.).

Question though. Why would Kaidan being bi seem so odd and OOC to you? 

Edit: Truth be told though I want Kaidan to be Bi so I don't have to play a female character to romance him. I generally hate playing female characters (odd considering I am female but whatever) and still want to experience the romance. Not to mention I'm not overly interested in the female LIs. And Hale's voice makes me cringe.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2010 - 11:50 .

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Seaohn wrote...

But I not telling that!! I'm saying that turning magically someone into a bi one, I find it strange and unrealistic. Zevran's example was the first passed in my mind, so you want a bi one, I prefer a new character. Nothing more. 

Ah but Bioware would be magicly turning Kaidan into a Bi character since he was intended to be Bi from the start, in fact Bioware even left a ton of hints in the first ME that Kaidan was a Bi character. It would be more correct to say that Bioware would magicly turn Kaidan into a straight character.

[Seaohn]

Not for Kaidan himself, but for every other character you (or who wants) want to turn bi. As I said I DON'T think "all bisexuals are willinging to sleep with whoever and not stay faithful to their partners", not at all, maybe I didn't explain myself well.

My first Bi example was Zev, and I used it; he was my first idea for a new character in the future. Still I find odd for the third ME a change of their mind, that's it. And I think too that BW won't turn Male Shepard gay... they didn't for the 2nd... why on the 3rd?

Ohh c'mon let's not fight my friend.

[Seaohn]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
It would be more correct to say that Bioware would magicly turn Kaidan into a straight character.

Ahahahahahahahah maybe!! XD

[Ryzaki]

Seaohn wrote...

Not for Kaidan himself, but for every other character you (or who wants) want to turn bi. As I said I DON'T think "all bisexuals are willinging to sleep with whoever and not stay faithful to their partners", not at all, maybe I didn't explain myself well.
My first Bi example was Zev, and I used it; he was my first idea for a new character in the future. Still I find odd for the third ME a change of their mind, that's it. And I think too that BW won't turn Male Shepard gay... they didn't for the 2nd... why on the 3rd?
Ohh c'mon let's not fight my friend.

Nah I just want Kaidan (or Joker preferably Joker by a landslide).

Anyways Let's not get into the whole Male Shepard isn't gay or straight nonsense yes? Unless you want another wall of text. <_< Let's leave it at Male Shep's orientation isn't canoically anything.



Yay for Foe Yay in Bleach <3 even if its not canon.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2010 - 04:07 .

[Ryzaki]

Oh and BTW Sky in Jade Empire is Bi. So Yeah. Not that unbelievable. >_>

[didymos1120]

They could always pull the old "If it any other man but you, Shepard..." thing. And the renegade option would then be "Sure, whatever you say Alenko. Just keep telling yourself that if it'll make you feel better..."

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 février 2010 - 03:19 .

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Seaohn wrote...

And I think too that BW won't turn Male Shepard gay... they didn't for the 2nd... why on the 3rd?
Ohh c'mon let's not fight my friend.

I remain intrigued by the argument that offering M/M romance would 'turn Shepard gay.' As if he's somehow automatically straight in ME1 or 2, or as if offering the option would force people with MSheps to pursue it. There are those of us whose MSheps didn't romance anyone - are our MSheps 'straight' even though we've ignored the female LIs?

[Ryzaki]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Seaohn wrote...

And I think too that BW won't turn Male Shepard gay... they didn't for the 2nd... why on the 3rd?
Ohh c'mon let's not fight my friend.

I remain intrigued by the argument that offering M/M romance would 'turn Shepard gay.' As if he's somehow automatically straight in ME1 or 2, or as if offering the option would force people with MSheps to pursue it. There are those of us whose MSheps didn't romance anyone - are our MSheps 'straight' even though we've ignored the female LIs?

Probably the same train of logic that Liara is female when romancing M!Shep but not when romancing F!Shep.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Ryzaki wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

Seaohn wrote...

And I think too that BW won't turn Male Shepard gay... they didn't for the 2nd... why on the 3rd?
Ohh c'mon let's not fight my friend.

I remain intrigued by the argument that offering M/M romance would 'turn Shepard gay.' As if he's somehow automatically straight in ME1 or 2, or as if offering the option would force people with MSheps to pursue it. There are those of us whose MSheps didn't romance anyone - are our MSheps 'straight' even though we've ignored the female LIs?

Probably the same train of logic that Liara is female when romancing M!Shep but not when romancing F!Shep.

Yeah, that's also a puzzler to me. If the Asari are monogendered (ME1) and a species of females (ME2), how is it that they are also null (if and only if FemShep romances)? If they're actually null, then the codex entries are all wrong over both games. Not to mention the bizarre mental gymnastics require to assert that in the absence of a male sex, 'female' ceases to have meaning as a descriptor. Seriously. I wish they'd just admit it's fanservice, and stop using tortured 'logic' to dismiss its presence as a f/f same sex LI. Also, accept that people interested in m/m would like a little fanservice, too.

Mmm. Alenko.<3

[catabuca]

Kaidan is, was and always will be bi in my games. My femShep loves some Kaidan action, my manShep and Kaidan are deeply attracted to each other but have not followed up on their feelings for fear of jeopardizing the mission. I hold out hope that they will be able to find happiness in ME3.



And yeah, when Shep goes to talk to Kaidan in ME1 - totally gay.