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[SurfaceBeneath]

Haventh wrote...

I don't like Oblivion, that doesn't mean that the game is shallow or bad. Just that it doesn't fit me. The fact that you don't like something, doesn't have to mean it is a bad product. In most cases it is not. It is just you who are clouded by your opinion and unable to form an objective response.

There isn't a character in Mass Effec that i don't like. Even the Turian Councilor i don't dislike, hes just made that good that he pisses of the majority of the gamers.

I am just into the way of not looking for faults, or things i don't like. And rather focus on the things i do like, and the things that isn't exactly to my liking, i try to form an objective view, though it it is very hard to do so.

I seriously reccomend people to find what they like, and focus on that instead of finding things you don't like. Everything will be so much more enjoyable.

Both Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 are great games, i had alot of fun with Mass Effect, the characters are great, and the story was quite epic. Mass Effect 2 i just like more, combat is more fun, well , and i like the characters more (i have said why before, i won't say again because i'm not into forcing my views on others).

I apologize when i called anyone an idiot, i was the idiot of sort, i just get so freaking mad when i see any form of bashing (not an excuse, just explenation).

I like you. Will you be my friend?

[Madecologist]

Well you're lucky, the only person that wanted to be my friend was the Renegade Pope who types in Turian hiakus.

[Nightwriter]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Haventh wrote...

I don't like Oblivion, that doesn't mean that the game is shallow or bad. Just that it doesn't fit me. The fact that you don't like something, doesn't have to mean it is a bad product. In most cases it is not. It is just you who are clouded by your opinion and unable to form an objective response.

There isn't a character in Mass Effec that i don't like. Even the Turian Councilor i don't dislike, hes just made that good that he pisses of the majority of the gamers.

I am just into the way of not looking for faults, or things i don't like. And rather focus on the things i do like, and the things that isn't exactly to my liking, i try to form an objective view, though it it is very hard to do so.

I seriously reccomend people to find what they like, and focus on that instead of finding things you don't like. Everything will be so much more enjoyable.

Both Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 are great games, i had alot of fun with Mass Effect, the characters are great, and the story was quite epic. Mass Effect 2 i just like more, combat is more fun, well , and i like the characters more (i have said why before, i won't say again because i'm not into forcing my views on others).

I apologize when i called anyone an idiot, i was the idiot of sort, i just get so freaking mad when i see any form of bashing (not an excuse, just explenation).

I like you. Will you be my friend?

*feels left out*

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Trying to focus on complimenting the game and talking about the things you like is all well and good, but if you dont like a lot of things about the game, where will that leave you for ME3?

Its one reason why I hope Bioware pays more attention to fan feedback this time, rather the reviewer feedback. Asskissing and perfect scores are no way to determine what needs improving in ME3.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 21 février 2010 - 03:55 .

[BlackFox26]

I was happy to see her doing something she really wanted to do. Go take down the shadow broker who done something to her while Shepard was in the freeze for 2 years.

+ If you did read the Comic redemption it would explain a lotttt more why shes what she is now. I happy to let her go for now. Just Come back to me baby when it matters in Mass Effect 3

[DRACO1130]

Madecologist wrote...

Well this thread is still tame. I mean anyone who knows my forum post history, I have trolled and flamebaited people that I thought were complete idiots. Considering I am civil so far, means I do not think anyone crossed a line... yet.... *gets his Troll outfit ready just in case*.

What I think we all can agree on, cheating/loyal is too strong a word. They should have used moving on/second chances. Heck I asked none ME players what they thought. Most find the idea it is cheating laughable (even a 75 year old woman laugh). Man I am sad when I discuss ME plotlines with the older generation of my family.

Your post brought to the forefornt of my mind these 2 things I would ask you to consider- Both from Ilum as 'side' missions - The TEST subjects one where Shepard was able to get that waived by bringing emotional ties into play and the lost locket found during mirandas sister rescue also isplaying a STRONG l0oyalty to emotion and fiathfulness in relationships - I think the terms chosen by the Game developers are wholly in keeping with their overall motif and well selected for their CONTEXTUAL adherence to the plot.

[JPfanner]

Madecologist wrote...

Well this thread is still tame. I mean anyone who knows my forum post history, I have trolled and flamebaited people that I thought were complete idiots. Considering I am civil so far, means I do not think anyone crossed a line... yet.... *gets his Troll outfit ready just in case*.

What I think we all can agree on, cheating/loyal is too strong a word. They should have used moving on/second chances. Heck I asked none ME players what they thought. Most find the idea it is cheating laughable (even a 75 year old woman laugh). Man I am sad when I discuss ME plotlines with the older generation of my family.

Yes, I don't think it should be considered cheating with the non-interactive presentation of the ME1 LI's the way there are now.  But just like you don't like people throwing around the word cheater there are a lot of people who are annoyed when people say things like "Ashley/Kaiden/Liara was so mean to me, they're all stupid insane faithless traitors and now I've found solace in the arms of so and so who was actually there for me."  But then they get all paranoid about "cheating" because then they have to admit that there is no in-game way of establishing exactly what the hell the relationship is with these people. 

I think the presentation of the ME1 LI's totally sucks because of the lack of being able to establish within the game exactly where you would like the relationship to be at.  Whether that is continuing or ending, it should be an option to clearly define within the game.  It is just absurd the way it is now, there is NO excuse for Shepard not having the capability to ask ONE question in the game.  Shepard pretty much spends most of their time asking questions!

[SurfaceBeneath]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Trying to focus on complimenting the game and talking about the things you like is all well and good, but if you dont like a lot of things about the game, where will that leave you for ME3?

Its one reason why I hope Bioware pays more attention to fan feedback this time, rather the reviewer feedback. Asskissing and perfect scores are no way to determine what needs improving in ME3.

Almost every change to ME2 was made due to fan feedback on the forums after the first game.

And despite what you may believe, game reviewers are in fact more objective than 99% of people on this board. They are paid to play games and judge them against each other.

But if your complaints are about story and characters than chances are you are screaming into the grand canyon. ME3 is already in production, and for that to happen, much of the writing has to already be done, at least on the conceptual level (what's the overall plot of the game, what characters play what roles where, etc etc).

[InvaderErl]

I'd argue just judging from what I hear elsewhere, from reviews - people I know and other forums that most of the criticism is coming from a vocal minority.



And with the critical review + increased sales I'd wager Bioware knows it too.

[DRACO1130]

heck, I want to be asked to be a playtester for ME3 - the dev team DOES read these ya know

[Madecologist]

DRACO1130 wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

Well this thread is still tame. I mean anyone who knows my forum post history, I have trolled and flamebaited people that I thought were complete idiots. Considering I am civil so far, means I do not think anyone crossed a line... yet.... *gets his Troll outfit ready just in case*.

What I think we all can agree on, cheating/loyal is too strong a word. They should have used moving on/second chances. Heck I asked none ME players what they thought. Most find the idea it is cheating laughable (even a 75 year old woman laugh). Man I am sad when I discuss ME plotlines with the older generation of my family.

Your post brought to the forefornt of my mind these 2 things I would ask you to consider- Both from Ilum as 'side' missions - The TEST subjects one where Shepard was able to get that waived by bringing emotional ties into play and the lost locket found during mirandas sister rescue also isplaying a STRONG l0oyalty to emotion and fiathfulness in relationships - I think the terms chosen by the Game developers are wholly in keeping with their overall motif and well selected for their CONTEXTUAL adherence to the plot.

A strong and compelling theme of loyalty though beautiful and inspiring does not automatically assign a moral high ground. Nor is emotional detachment and movement indicates a moral failing. Though the term cheating and loyal do. What you describe is imagery, which can be lovely. Those that choose to be 'loyal' or as I phrase it, second chance, are hoping to capture such sentiment. That does not put them in the moral right though. Just as much as those who saw only the pain and burnt the bridge are not in the wrong.

[Nightwriter]

The ME2 handling of the first romances was the writing equivalent of burying your head in the sand.



What the writers wanted was to put the old romance on pause. Not end them, not continue them, not say anything about them or commit to any kind of realistic statement that might even begin to sound like an address of the situation—just put them on pause. Hold.



This would bring an opportunity to explore new romances.



Only they didn’t know how to put it on pause well. They didn’t know what to do with the problem. I probably wouldn't have either. So they panicked.



“Omg, omg, what do we do with these romances? They’re going to want us to address this!”



“Oh, oh! I know! Let’s bury our heads in the sand!”



“…”



“Bob?”



“… My God, that’s brilliant.”



“I’ll get the shovels.”

[Schroing]

Her voice ruined it for me. I could never do anything in bed with that - I'd have Batman in my head the whole time.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Nightwriter wrote...

The ME2 handling of the first romances was the writing equivalent of burying your head in the sand.

What the writers wanted was to put the old romance on pause. Not end them, not continue them, not say anything about them or commit to any kind of realistic statement that might even begin to sound like an address of the situation—just put them on pause. Hold.

This would bring an opportunity to explore new romances.

Only they didn’t know how to put it on pause well. They didn’t know what to do with the problem. I probably wouldn't have either. So they panicked.

“Omg, omg, what do we do with these romances? They’re going to want us to address this!”

“Oh, oh! I know! Let’s bury our heads in the sand!”

“…”

“Bob?”

“… My God, that’s brilliant.”

“I’ll get the shovels.”

You are just 8 kinds of snark today.

I like it!

[SurfaceBeneath]

Schroing wrote...

Her voice ruined it for me. I could never do anything in bed with that - I'd have Batman in my head the whole time.

[DRACO1130]

I rather strongly suspect that when we finally get ME3 and experience the 'roles' our 'love interests' from ME1 are to play - it will all make sense.

Optimism is a virtue

[Madecologist]

To elaborate better, the term cheating carries a deragatory value, while loyal carries a complimentative value. So the Loyal/Cheating set up establishes a moral scale. Second Chance/Moving On does not so it is more morally neutral, which is why I prefer it. Claiming one side to be cheating can easily be turned around and claim that the other side is just an emotional doormat. No one wants to be called either. That is why I feel the moral scale should be divorced from this situation.

Modifié par Madecologist, 21 février 2010 - 04:16 .

[Nightwriter]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

You are just 8 kinds of snark today.

I like it!

I am. I don't know what's up with me.

[DRACO1130]

recall too that in ME1 you DID have the option to at least ASK ash for BOTH her and Liara - it wasn't EVER a possibility but they permitted it to at least be asked.

[Cutlass Jack]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Schroing wrote...

Her voice ruined it for me. I could never do anything in bed with that - I'd have Batman in my head the whole time.

This scene leads to a disturbing variant of the upsidedown Spider-Man Kiss....

[Haventh]

If didn't like most of ME 2 i wouldn't be playing it as much as i do, and i do play it ALOT. My parents re like "Oh, it's that game again".

At first i didn't like it so much. But as i played more got used to the changes and liked it. When i buy games i give them a chance before saying that i don't like it. I finish it, then i figure it out, or to the point when i like most of it. Though i really didn't think Mass Effect 2 would be a bad game, it is Bioware, i am a Bioware fanboy, i love all their rpgs. I only buy games i'm 100% sure i would like, since i don't have much money for games.

Bioware focused on fan feedback didn't they? People complained about the mako in ME 1, so they removed it in ME 2.

Oh my... that picture...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

This scene leads to a disturbing variant of the upsidedown Spider-Man Kiss....

That comparison is not in my protocols. Spiderman, invalid - Batman Begins reigns as one of my favorite movies, still. 

Modifié par Haventh, 21 février 2010 - 04:22 .

[DRACO1130]

the mako sucked - I said aloud, the first time I EVER drove it - This had to have been designed by a woman - no man would make the controls so responsive AND useless at the same time - I was GLAD to see it removed - altho at the end when you visit the Normandy 1 crash site - I think you should have been able to slavage ammo from its main gun

[Nightwriter]

DRACO1130 wrote...

I rather strongly suspect that when we finally get ME3 and experience the 'roles' our 'love interests' from ME1 are to play - it will all make sense.
Optimism is a virtue

Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for thou art with me...

[Neria Rose]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Trying to focus on complimenting the game and talking about the things you like is all well and good, but if you dont like a lot of things about the game, where will that leave you for ME3?

Its one reason why I hope Bioware pays more attention to fan feedback this time, rather the reviewer feedback. Asskissing and perfect scores are no way to determine what needs improving in ME3.

Almost every change to ME2 was made due to fan feedback on the forums after the first game.

And despite what you may believe, game reviewers are in fact more objective than 99% of people on this board. They are paid to play games and judge them against each other.

But if your complaints are about story and characters than chances are you are screaming into the grand canyon. ME3 is already in production, and for that to happen, much of the writing has to already be done, at least on the conceptual level (what's the overall plot of the game, what characters play what roles where, etc etc).

I don't get where Dinkamus is getting the 'listen to the fan feedback' thing, aside from his being bitter about Liara's role. We have Garrus and Tali, more challenging combat, and lost the Mako. While the streamlining of the inventory sucked and more dialogue would have been awesome (*cough* gimme a 30 GB game if that's what it takes to have more dialogue and it's in the budget, I don't mind), I'm loving the rest of it. Bioware definitely listened to their fans. Liara's simply not that popular of a character, especially if you're willing to accept every poll ever done on character popularity.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 21 février 2010 - 04:29 .