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[Nightwriter]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

She shakes her head. She turns away. It's a denial.

It's a gaining of composure.  She's shaking her head at herself, disappointed that she let her feelings get the better of her.

She loves Shepard. Why would she be concerned about witholding her feelings?

Uh, because she's guilty about handing Shepard's corpse to Cerberus, and worried that Shepard will hate her?

Stuff that, y'know, she actually says in-game?

And yet once this is resolved, and you reveal that there is no hate, she does not warm toward you any more. And I think there's more to it.

No, I think she was just sort of shaking her head saying, "Too much has happened... I don't know what this is anymore..."

[DRACO1130]

Okay this IS out there BUT Knowing that the Asari ARE one of the longest lived races AND having NO clue as to their gestation time -



Could she be pregnant ?

[JPfanner]

Nightwriter wrote...

And yet once this is resolved, and you reveal that there is no hate, she does not warm toward you any more. And I think there's more to it.

No, I think she was just sort of shaking her head saying, "Too much has happened... I don't know what this is anymore..."

That is where the lack of interaction just becomes jarring.  That you simply can't ask, "What about us?"  You can grill random people on the street about mundane topics, you can have an in depth conversation with Gianni right outside Liara's office.  But you can't ask the one question that anyone would be wanting to ask.

[Nightwriter]

DRACO1130 wrote...

Okay this IS out there BUT Knowing that the Asari ARE one of the longest lived races AND having NO clue as to their gestation time -

Could she be pregnant ?

Oh snap.

Congratulations, jlb. You're going to be a father.

[jlb524]

Nightwriter wrote...

And yet once this is resolved, and you reveal that there is no hate, she does not warm toward you any more. And I think there's more to it.

No, I think she was just sort of shaking her head saying, "Too much has happened... I don't know what this is anymore..."

Nah, it's just that BW isn't finished telling Liara's ME2 story (there's probably going to be DLC where they delve into this Shadow Broker thing).  That's why the Liara ME2 ending is left open ended.  If this wasn't the case, they would have provided an ending or some sense of closure as with the other two LI's (Ashley and Kaidan send you a heartwarming email).

You're just trying to justify cheating on her

Edit:  Liara's not pregnant, nor was she!  She's just in a bad place right now.  Unfortunately, most of it was her doing. 

Modifié par jlb524, 21 février 2010 - 06:02 .

[nov_pl]

I don't like her.. I mean she's such a **** now...

But she saved Shepard from collectors when shadow broker sold body to them so... Shepard owe her i guess.

[jlb524]

You also have to remember that Liara has poor social skills and has never been in a relationship before. She might think she's doing every thing right, and that her and Shepard's relationship is tight.

[MutantSpleen]

JPfanner wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

And yet once this is resolved, and you reveal that there is no hate, she does not warm toward you any more. And I think there's more to it.

No, I think she was just sort of shaking her head saying, "Too much has happened... I don't know what this is anymore..."

That is where the lack of interaction just becomes jarring.  That you simply can't ask, "What about us?"  You can grill random people on the street about mundane topics, you can have an in depth conversation with Gianni right outside Liara's office.  But you can't ask the one question that anyone would be wanting to ask.

To be fair you can't ask Kaidan and Ashley "What about us?" either.  You can ask them to join you on your mission but you get the "I"ll never work for Cerberus...NEVER" crap. You can also ask Liara to join you and she says it won't work she needs access to her contacts and information, not being isolated on the Normandy.

Seriously all three romances worked out about the same.  Except Kaidan and Ash send you a letter later, vs Liara gives you a kiss. All Ash and Kaidan can muster for you is a hug.

[Haventh]

Liara is an alright character, as i have said before. I respect her more than Ash. And she did have some funny dialogues in ME 1. Like the times she said she was interested in you, you could ask her if she wanted to disect you or study you in a lab. Her response reaction was rofl, i just couldn't help myself.

[Nightwriter]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

And yet once this is resolved, and you reveal that there is no hate, she does not warm toward you any more. And I think there's more to it.

No, I think she was just sort of shaking her head saying, "Too much has happened... I don't know what this is anymore..."

Nah, it's just that BW isn't finished telling Liara's ME2 story (there's probably going to be DLC where they delve into this Shadow Broker thing).  That's why the Liara ME2 ending is left open ended.  If this wasn't the case, they would have provided an ending or some sense of closure as with the other two LI's (Ashley and Kaidan send you a heartwarming email).

You're just trying to justify cheating on her

Edit:  Liara's not pregnant, nor was she!  She's just in a bad place right now.  Unfortunately, most of it was her doing. 

Actually, I don't feel the least bit guilty about my new romances, and I don't consider them cheating. There's nothing to justify, imo. If Liara had told me SOMETHING about how she felt concerning the romance, this might have been different.

But I can't pretend I didn't feel a little snubbed. I think the majority of gamers who turned from the old LIs felt hurt or cast out. You know? They felt like they were left with no other choices but these new LIs if they wanted love in their game at all, because their old LIs acted so distant.
Most of us were left standing there after our reunion with our LI like, "Uh... wtf?"

Modifié par Nightwriter, 21 février 2010 - 06:08 .

[MassEffect762]

Frotality wrote...

it is quite poorly written, because the sole purpose fo this change in character is a cheap attempt to garner more interest in new LIs by making you hate your old one. i would be all for the threat of temptation in the game, but this is the worst way to implement it. instead of having new LI's seduce you, they instead try to make the old ones repulse you (the same for all LIs). liara, kaiden and ash (if shes your LI) all went way out of character in ME2; but did wrex, the one non-romanceable suddenly go crazy bloodthirsty krogan or timid little pacifist? no, hes the same awesome wrex we all know and love. there is nothing dramatic or interesting about thier change of character, its bioware's attempt to make us not care about them, and i have no idea what possessed them to want to do that. i very much hope they can salvage the mess they made with ME1 LIs in ME3, but the damage is done, so i wont hold my breath.

QFT.

I saw past all those weak gimics they pulled, the new LIs didn't appeal to me also(ESPECIALLY Garrus) so it was INCREDIBLY easy to stay faithful.

[JPfanner]

MutantSpleen wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

And yet once this is resolved, and you reveal that there is no hate, she does not warm toward you any more. And I think there's more to it.

No, I think she was just sort of shaking her head saying, "Too much has happened... I don't know what this is anymore..."

That is where the lack of interaction just becomes jarring.  That you simply can't ask, "What about us?"  You can grill random people on the street about mundane topics, you can have an in depth conversation with Gianni right outside Liara's office.  But you can't ask the one question that anyone would be wanting to ask.

To be fair you can't ask Kaidan and Ashley "What about us?" either.  You can ask them to join you on your mission but you get the "I"ll never work for Cerberus...NEVER" crap. You can also ask Liara to join you and she says it won't work she needs access to her contacts and information, not being isolated on the Normandy.

Seriously all three romances worked out about the same.  Except Kaidan and Ash send you a letter later, vs Liara gives you a kiss. All Ash and Kaidan can muster for you is a hug.

Yeah, I just have the opinion that equally screwed wasn't the best way to handle them.  And I've said before that the whole Horizon exchange may as well have been watching a slideshow where you just keep hitting the Next button.  There's no reason they couldn't have put in an option to say something to Liara when she's sitting right there.  They could have had you ask Anderson to pass along a message to Ashley or Kaiden even.  Shepard cruises around the galaxy solving everyone else's personal problems, but can't even muster one sentence for herself/himself?

You've got that picture on the desk, why not even an option to have made it interactive in some way.  Keep it on, change it to your current LI if you have another, or turn it off.  Even something as small as that would have put some power into the player's hands and that is what is seriously lacking in this whole LI situation.  It's supposed to be Shepard's story and you're like staggering around trying to read things into the most minute details because all you have to go on is this big "Huh?"

[jlb524]

Nightwriter wrote...

But I can't pretend I didn't feel a little snubbed. I think the majority of gamers who turned from the old LIs felt hurt or cast out. You know? They felt like they were left with no other choices but these new LIs if they wanted love in their game at all, because their old LIs acted so distant.
Most of us were left standing there after our reunion with our LI like, "Uh... wtf?"

What are you going to do come ME3, when your ME2 LI gets some crappy little cameo and your old ME1 flame is in your party, looking for love?

[Mox Ruuga]

Nightwriter wrote...

Actually, I don't feel the least bit guilty about my new romances, and I don't consider them cheating. There's nothing to justify, imo. If Liara had told me SOMETHING about how she felt concerning the romance, this might have been different.

But I can't pretend I didn't feel a little snubbed. I think the majority of gamers who turned from the old LIs felt hurt or cast out. You know? They felt like they were left with no other choices but these new LIs if they wanted love in their game at all, because their old LIs acted so distant.
Most of us were left standing there after our reunion with our LI like, "Uh... wtf?"

Intentional from Bioware, it has to be.

It will be interesting to see, how badly they miscalculated with these plot roles... If they return the ME1 LIs as squaddies, and sideline the ME2 characters, at least the early fan reaction will be something to see. Already the ME1 LIs are being called "selfish", "treacherous", "idiotic", "short sighted", "disloyal", and a plethora of other unflattering terms. Especially compared to Garrus and Tali. I can imagine the new kinds of outrage we'll see, if Kaidan/Ash/Liara smugly accuses Shepard of cheating on them in their first ME3 scene... And it would be completely justified outrage, at the sheer bad writing of it all (though most fans would just rail against the character)

Had they taken care to provide plausible reasons for them to stay on the sidelines, and not treat Shepard like dirt (and actually having the 2nd act of a 3 act romance be in the game), things might have worked out differently.

Of course, now that much of the fanbase has been alienated from the ME1 LIs, and no longer really cares all that much, the devs have a reason to not include them in major roles in ME3. It might be better to just cut the FUBAR character Liara out completely, at the very least. She comes off as deranged in ME2. Kaidan and Ash might prove to be salvageable yet, but it will require someone who is not Mac Walters writing them.

[DRACO1130]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

But I can't pretend I didn't feel a little snubbed. I think the majority of gamers who turned from the old LIs felt hurt or cast out. You know? They felt like they were left with no other choices but these new LIs if they wanted love in their game at all, because their old LIs acted so distant.
Most of us were left standing there after our reunion with our LI like, "Uh... wtf?"

What are you going to do come ME3, when your ME2 LI gets some crappy little cameo and your old ME1 flame is in your party, looking for love?

one of my BIGGEST dispaointments was NOT getting to see the face beneath the Quarian mask - the eyes of ALL quarians seem alight beneath the frace shield - I was quite upset at the cut scene

[CanadAvenger]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

But I can't pretend I didn't feel a little snubbed. I think the majority of gamers who turned from the old LIs felt hurt or cast out. You know? They felt like they were left with no other choices but these new LIs if they wanted love in their game at all, because their old LIs acted so distant.
Most of us were left standing there after our reunion with our LI like, "Uh... wtf?"

What are you going to do come ME3, when your ME2 LI gets some crappy little cameo and your old ME1 flame is in your party, looking for love?

HAH. Exactly. I don't expect that most of the ME2 team will return as recruitable squadmates anyways. They are likely to be cameo destined.

[DRACO1130]

I posted this elsewhere but it was buried deeep within a lenghty thread so let me say it here plainly for all to see - I was SHOCKED that not one single encounter, ANYWHERE in ther game offerredf me an " ESCAPE" form Cerberus - Not ashley, Not Liara, Not the Quatrians, not the council - NO One wanted me back - that seemed really bizarre - yes, for the plot line I Never could have accepted but it does not seem at all likely that NONE of them would have offered me an out from the clutches of Cerberus. Ashley was my love interest from ME1 and her blatant rejection really hurt - as well as the lack of an offer to return to the alliance.

[Nozybidaj]

CanadAvenger wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

But I can't pretend I didn't feel a little snubbed. I think the majority of gamers who turned from the old LIs felt hurt or cast out. You know? They felt like they were left with no other choices but these new LIs if they wanted love in their game at all, because their old LIs acted so distant.
Most of us were left standing there after our reunion with our LI like, "Uh... wtf?"

What are you going to do come ME3, when your ME2 LI gets some crappy little cameo and your old ME1 flame is in your party, looking for love?

HAH. Exactly. I don't expect that most of the ME2 team will return as recruitable squadmates anyways. They are likely to be cameo destined.

Even though I don't want that to happen to anyone's favorite characters, and I actually wouldn't mind seeing some of the ME2 crew again, it would definitely give me a certain amount of satisfaction if that happens.

[goatman42]

Mobile-Platform-928 wrote...

Am I alone in feeling that way? Isn't anyone else kind of "glad she's gone"? :/

This is exactly how I felt with Ashley. Sure everybody thinks shes a racist ****, But I was able to see though that. I found a woman who was just trying to prove herself to others, and I ended up caring about her. So after all we had been though, for her to act like that to me on Horizon was a heart breaker. sure she appolagised in an email later but I knew it was over and time to move on. And then I when a picked up Tali right after Horizon and well... you know what comes next.

Modifié par goatman42, 21 février 2010 - 06:45 .

[Taritu]

JPfanner wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

JPfanner wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

And yet once this is resolved, and you reveal that there is no hate, she does not warm toward you any more. And I think there's more to it.

No, I think she was just sort of shaking her head saying, "Too much has happened... I don't know what this is anymore..."

That is where the lack of interaction just becomes jarring.  That you simply can't ask, "What about us?"  You can grill random people on the street about mundane topics, you can have an in depth conversation with Gianni right outside Liara's office.  But you can't ask the one question that anyone would be wanting to ask.

To be fair you can't ask Kaidan and Ashley "What about us?" either.  You can ask them to join you on your mission but you get the "I"ll never work for Cerberus...NEVER" crap. You can also ask Liara to join you and she says it won't work she needs access to her contacts and information, not being isolated on the Normandy.

Seriously all three romances worked out about the same.  Except Kaidan and Ash send you a letter later, vs Liara gives you a kiss. All Ash and Kaidan can muster for you is a hug.

Yeah, I just have the opinion that equally screwed wasn't the best way to handle them.  And I've said before that the whole Horizon exchange may as well have been watching a slideshow where you just keep hitting the Next button.  There's no reason they couldn't have put in an option to say something to Liara when she's sitting right there.  They could have had you ask Anderson to pass along a message to Ashley or Kaiden even.  Shepard cruises around the galaxy solving everyone else's personal problems, but can't even muster one sentence for herself/himself?

You've got that picture on the desk, why not even an option to have made it interactive in some way.  Keep it on, change it to your current LI if you have another, or turn it off.  Even something as small as that would have put some power into the player's hands and that is what is seriously lacking in this whole LI situation.  It's supposed to be Shepard's story and you're like staggering around trying to read things into the most minute details because all you have to go on is this big "Huh?"

Yeah, a lot of it is just bad writing.  Let's be honest.  I don't know why they decided to write what they did, but they left out wome really obviouis options.  Heck, not just with her, as a Spacer why can't I have an option to ask Anderson to let my mum know I'm alive?  It doesn't add up to /that/ much extra dialogue.

All games have choices on rails, but ME2 feels really on rails about some things, including some things which it wouldn't have been that hard to not have on rails.

Modifié par Taritu, 21 février 2010 - 06:47 .

[jlb524]

Yeah! The Spacer/Hannah Shepard thing was weird. You just get an email from her ('Hey, I heard you're not dead! Be careful honey! Love, Mom').



I would have liked to at least call her up on the comm-link like in ME1 and have a short conversation with her.

[Mox Ruuga]

Taritu wrote...

Yeah, a lot of it is just bad writing.  Let's be honest.  I don't know why they decided to write what they did, but they left out wome really obviouis options.  Heck, not just with her, as a Spacer why can't I have an option to ask Anderson to let my mum know I'm alive?  It doesn't add up to /that/ much extra dialogue.

All games have choices on rails, but ME2 feels really on rails about some things, including some things which it wouldn't have been that hard to not have on rails.

ME1 used to inject your background into convos... Ask about Pressly's personal history, and he'll remember to tell a War Hero that of course the real reason Elysium is still standing, is because of Shepard. Even someone like Emily Wong will refer to your service history as the reason why you will be a great information source for her.

Would it really have been too much to put in small additions like that? Having Anderson inform you about dear old mum would have required just few extra words.

[JPfanner]

Taritu wrote...

All games have choices on rails, but ME2 feels really on rails about some things, including some things which it wouldn't have been that hard to not have on rails.

Definitely, I don't mind moving the plot along on rails when you're given even the illusion of choice.  But when you feel like you get more interaction out of the advertisement kiosks than your lover something has gone beyond moving on rails and into being drug behind the train.

[Cutlass Jack]

jlb524 wrote...

What are you going to do come ME3, when your ME2 LI gets some crappy little cameo and your old ME1 flame is in your party, looking for love?

I'll enjoy the money I saved and buy something else with it?

(edited for terrible grammar)

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 21 février 2010 - 08:44 .