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[Kryyptehk]

Sabriana wrote...

Self-preservation only figures in if there is no other way to safe your own life. My PC-girls never sacrificed themselves. One had Alistair do the killing - she really had no choice, he just went ahead and did it. The others chose Loghain. Quite satisfying, I think.

No ritual. My girls were friends with Morrigan, but there was always that niggling little doubt about her motives. She was less than forthcoming when she was quizzed about the baby. So, no way would any of them allow the ritual. Especially because Morrigan was so secretive about it, and wouldn't answer any question directly and satisfactorily.

All my girls were exactly the opposite. They are all kind of self-serving and in love with Alistair above all else. Anything to make sure that they get the happy ending they think they deserve. (Most of my girls are Couslands, if you couldn't tell). I'm always great friends with Morrigan, so my girls just trust that she will not betray them.

[Sabriana]

Fair enough. FemWardens in a relationship with Alistair don't have much of a choice if they want the 'happy' ending. I think nonCouslands can have a 'happy' ending too, just not as queens, but they can go off to rebuild the GWs.

None of my FemWardens are interested in Alistair romantically, Cousland or not, so even though they feel bad that their friendship with Alistair could well be over. (It isn't, not if Loghain dies, and he always does).

[Proposition_Joe]

I really hope they follow up on that story, if not its kind of a huge anticlimax.

Although... the answer that they are out there somewhere in the DAO universy doesnt make me to hopeful.

It would be a guaranteed buy for me however, in contrast to Awakening.

[Vengeful Nature]

It's not gonna be an expansion pack or DLC, and I would be pissed off if it were the latter. It'll be the sequel. It's too big a plot point, even for people who say it isn't and they don't care, to deal with in a 1 hour DLC or an expansion.



For people who didn't let her do the ritual with a party member, there's still Riordan to think about. Morrigan being the manipulative shrew she is, Riordan might not have even known about any baby, he just thought he was getting a little nooky before a battle to ease the stress.



I also think we'll see Flemeth again. The codex says something along the lines of her being "apparently" dead or expecting to see her again or something like that, and then there's the people who let her go.



Seriously, i'd be extremely disappointed if nothing came of it. It's a major plot point no matter how you played it, even if you say you don't care. A baby with the soul of an ancient god/demon? Nah, didn't happen, not gonna hear about it again. Lahlahlah fingers in ears.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

It's not gonna be an expansion pack or DLC, and I would be pissed off if it were the latter. It'll be the sequel. It's too big a plot point, even for people who say it isn't and they don't care, to deal with in a 1 hour DLC or an expansion.

For people who didn't let her do the ritual with a party member, there's still Riordan to think about. Morrigan being the manipulative shrew she is, Riordan might not have even known about any baby, he just thought he was getting a little nooky before a battle to ease the stress.

I also think we'll see Flemeth again. The codex says something along the lines of her being "apparently" dead or expecting to see her again or something like that, and then there's the people who let her go.

Seriously, i'd be extremely disappointed if nothing came of it. It's a major plot point no matter how you played it, even if you say you don't care. A baby with the soul of an ancient god/demon? Nah, didn't happen, not gonna hear about it again. Lahlahlah fingers in ears.

I remember you they did "Lahlahlah fingers in ears" even if you killed yourself at the end of the game... Do you think it would ever be a major plot point greater than that? Well... It didn't happened...So.. expect anything, or either nothing.

[G-four]

Sabriana wrote...

Personally, my story is done. Morrigan is off pouting because my PC didn't let her do the ritual. My PCs are all female, so no 'regular' baby either. My PC is quite okay with her being off somewhere pouting.

Alistair is married to Anora, and Anora will be surprised at seeing that she won't be able to rule as she pleases.
Loghain did the sacrifice.
PC and Zevran are off to rebuild the Wardens together.
My PC knows there is no baby. None of my PCs allowed the ritual - ever. They see no need to run after Morrigan.
Their stories are finished.
If there is an expansion called "Morrigan's baby" you can bet that there are many players who'll say "Baby? What baby."
It was a choice only. If it was to be covered later, it should have been mandatory, not a choice. Unless they wish to force a canon down the "no-baby" crowd and nullify our decision.

How is it possible to have logain do the sacrifice and make Alistair king? I tried to do that but when I want to recruit Loghain Alistair just leaves the wardens and be all emo kid.

But I think going after Morrigan is kind of lame. Just to obvious.

[Sabriana]

*****There be Spoilers. DUCK********





G-four, you have to do his personal quest, and 'harden' his heart a bit. Then you have to go to Anora before the Landsmeet and do the 'marry Alistair' spiel.

He'll be major po'd when Loghain gets granted life, but he is starting to get over it after Loghain sacrifices himself.





*****End of Spoilers, y'all can stand up straight again************



Ta-da! King Alistair, you have. (channeling Yoda again, I guess)

[Vengeful Nature]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

I remember you they did "Lahlahlah fingers in ears" even if you killed yourself at the end of the game... Do you think it would ever be a major plot point greater than that? Well... It didn't happened...So.. expect anything, or either nothing.

Nah there was an explanation for that. Nothing in-game, but Word of God says that if you want to handwave that, you can, but it's YOUR choice. Anyone who isn't happy with it can play with the new character, an Orlesian warden. In that case, your dead Warden stays dead.

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 22 février 2010 - 01:09 .

[G-four]

Sabriana wrote...

*****There be Spoilers. DUCK********


G-four, you have to do his personal quest, and 'harden' his heart a bit. Then you have to go to Anora before the Landsmeet and do the 'marry Alistair' spiel.
He'll be major po'd when Loghain gets granted life, but he is starting to get over it after Loghain sacrifices himself.


*****End of Spoilers, y'all can stand up straight again************

Ta-da! King Alistair, you have. (channeling Yoda again, I guess)

Thank you. I did manage to marry Alistar and Anora but I didn't harden Alister. Soft Alister doesn't like Loghain to join the wardens. Not yet sure who I will make king this time. I'm not a big Alistair fan.

[Dave of Canada]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

I remember you they did "Lahlahlah fingers in ears" even if you killed yourself at the end of the game... Do you think it would ever be a major plot point greater than that? Well... It didn't happened...So.. expect anything, or either nothing.

Nah there was an explanation for that. Nothing in-game, but Word of God says that if you want to handwave that, you can, but it's YOUR choice. Anyone who isn't happy with it can play with the new character, an Orlesian warden. In that case, your dead Warden stays dead.

Infact, your dead warden doesn't exist if you play Orlesian Warden. It's just a default storyline.

[Vengeful Nature]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Vengeful Nature wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

I remember you they did "Lahlahlah fingers in ears" even if you killed yourself at the end of the game... Do you think it would ever be a major plot point greater than that? Well... It didn't happened...So.. expect anything, or either nothing.

Nah there was an explanation for that. Nothing in-game, but Word of God says that if you want to handwave that, you can, but it's YOUR choice. Anyone who isn't happy with it can play with the new character, an Orlesian warden. In that case, your dead Warden stays dead.

Infact, your dead warden doesn't exist if you play Orlesian Warden. It's just a default storyline.

Really? I hadn't heard that. Thanks.

Still, you still have the choice not to import a dead warden. Less of a consolation, I know, everyone must have at least 1 warden that lived.

[Helios969]

If I were a bettin' man, I'd put big money on Morrigan, Flemeth, and the "Old God" child being back as a sequel equal to Origins in depth and length. The primary driving force in DAO is story and character. People looking for a 1st person shooter game with a completely different and insulated story I think will be disappointed. Origins is the beginning of the story. If the writers hold true to standard conventions, there will 3 acts - beginning, middle, and end.

[Sabriana]

Well, in the cases of 'no-baby' players, they better have a good explanation then. Or just force a canon down our throats. Or hand-waive it like the zombie-warden.

David Gaider said that the sex was actually a ritual, but they don't show the whole thing. Iirc, he said it involved runes drawn on the floor, chanting, and some more stuff.

So if that's to be taken into account, there would be now way for Morrigan to get ninja-pregnant by any of the guys.

[Vengeful Nature]

Sabriana wrote...

Well, in the cases of 'no-baby' players, they better have a good explanation then. Or just force a canon down our throats. Or hand-waive it like the zombie-warden.
David Gaider said that the sex was actually a ritual, but they don't show the whole thing. Iirc, he said it involved runes drawn on the floor, chanting, and some more stuff.
So if that's to be taken into account, there would be now way for Morrigan to get ninja-pregnant by any of the guys.

I have boiled your post down to a simple 4 word phrase:

A wizard did it.


But seriously, like I said, the best explanation is that Morrigan went straight to Riordan's room after being rejected. Morrigan gets her god-child and non-DR players are absolved of any responsibility for it.

[Helios969]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Well, in the cases of 'no-baby' players, they better have a good explanation then. Or just force a canon down our throats. Or hand-waive it like the zombie-warden.
David Gaider said that the sex was actually a ritual, but they don't show the whole thing. Iirc, he said it involved runes drawn on the floor, chanting, and some more stuff.
So if that's to be taken into account, there would be now way for Morrigan to get ninja-pregnant by any of the guys.

I have boiled your post down to a simple 4 word phrase:

A wizard did it.


But seriously, like I said, the best explanation is that Morrigan went straight to Riordan's room after being rejected. Morrigan gets her god-child and non-DR players are absolved of any responsibility for it.

Exactly.  People say there is no way it can be done have forgotten that we are playing in a fantasy world where anything and everything is possible.

[Sabriana]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Well, in the cases of 'no-baby' players, they better have a good explanation then. Or just force a canon down our throats. Or hand-waive it like the zombie-warden.
David Gaider said that the sex was actually a ritual, but they don't show the whole thing. Iirc, he said it involved runes drawn on the floor, chanting, and some more stuff.
So if that's to be taken into account, there would be now way for Morrigan to get ninja-pregnant by any of the guys.

I have boiled your post down to a simple 4 word phrase:

A wizard did it.


But seriously, like I said, the best explanation is that Morrigan went straight to Riordan's room after being rejected. Morrigan gets her god-child and non-DR players are absolved of any responsibility for it.

True, that is indeed a consolation. My Warden is not responsible, she can truthfully  say "I didn't do it".

Unless the kid turns out to be a savior, rather than an evil destroyer. Oh well, I'm perfectly fine with Morrigan pointing at my girl and saying "I told you so."

[Joshd21]

It's interesting to note that they said in Dragon Age 2, it's possible we won't even be playing the same Orgin or PC. Meaning you could not be the same guy you was in Dragon Age 1 in Dragon Age 2. Meaning it would be meaningless  if you did or did not do the ritual because if Morrgian was in Dragon Age 2 and you were a different PC, she would hardly remember you

Though I think it's about giving fans what they want. If they can make a return to Osgtagar and a wardens keep with flash backs of a battle that took place when the warden's held the keep. I don't see why it's not possible to give fans what they want an extended DLC Morrgian oly storyline wise. I mean she is the most popular person from the polls and even in the expansion we get a Orgeon, which nobody truely wished was one to cross over

[Sabriana]

If Morrigan is still around, the PC might also be. Unless Morrigan pulls a 'Flemeth', or the PC has already gone into the Deep Road.

It's still a factor that the 'non-baby' PC should not be waved aside without an explanation, even if she actually can't say "I didn't do it." It's not unreasonable that she told the other allies, when she was asked where Morrigan went before the Big Battle. So they could possibly be aware of the 'non-baby' PC, and wonder why Morrigan did in fact have a kid after all.

[Leiou]

Sabriana wrote...

Self-preservation only figures in if there is no other way to safe your own life. My PC-girls never sacrificed themselves. One had Alistair do the killing - she really had no choice, he just went ahead and did it. The others chose Loghain. Quite satisfying, I think.

No ritual. My girls were friends with Morrigan, but there was always that niggling little doubt about her motives. She was less than forthcoming when she was quizzed about the baby. So, no way would any of them allow the ritual. Especially because Morrigan was so secretive about it, and wouldn't answer any question directly and satisfactorily.

The landsmeet happens before Morrigan's offer However. So without metagaming, as a HN recruiting Loghain is out of the question. In my current HN PC's eyes, Logain is to Alistair as Howe is to the HN. My PC has had his revenge, has seen justice acted upon Howe, and feels Alistair has the right to chose Loghain's fate. It's after that that we discover the sacrifice a warden must make and Morrigan makes her offer. My PC refuses to give Anora the throne, which means ensuring Alistair lives. So then It becomes a question of sacrificing oneself or taking the risks of the DR.


Ah such a difficult choice my PC must make. Can Morrigan be trusted? Does the rebirth of an Old God's soul risk unleashing another blight upon the world should the child be found and tainted? But what of my PC's love? 


I'm reminded of Wynne and her "talk" about the PC and his/her relationship. At one point she says something about one day having to chose between saving the one you love and saving everyone else, and if the Warden will make the "right choice". I suppose in a way she was right. My PC just may end up being completely selfish and risk the DR and it's possible consequences upon the world. Because Zevran is just to special a person to hurt or destroy.

Modifié par Leiou, 22 février 2010 - 07:04 .

[krylo]

Sabriana wrote...

If Morrigan is still around, the PC might also be. Unless Morrigan pulls a 'Flemeth', or the PC has already gone into the Deep Road.

'It details how she survived for all these years.' 'Immortality would be useful.'  'Yes, IF one were an ancient abomination'.

Morrigan CAN'T go all Flemeth by her own words.

It's still a factor that the 'non-baby' PC should not be waved aside without an explanation, even if she actually can't say "I didn't do it." It's not unreasonable that she told the other allies, when she was asked where Morrigan went before the Big Battle. So they could possibly be aware of the 'non-baby' PC, and wonder why Morrigan did in fact have a kid after all.

Yeah, because all those dark side players in KotoR didn't have their choice waved aside when a canon ending was decided or anything.

Modifié par krylo, 23 février 2010 - 12:11 .

[Comet]

I hope they continue on this story. Anyway If Bioware doesn't than perhaps the community could do that.

[bobtheworm]

Sabriana wrote...

Personally, my story is done. Morrigan is off pouting because my PC didn't let her do the ritual. My PCs are all female, so no 'regular' baby either. My PC is quite okay with her being off somewhere pouting.

Alistair is married to Anora, and Anora will be surprised at seeing that she won't be able to rule as she pleases.
Loghain did the sacrifice.
PC and Zevran are off to rebuild the Wardens together.
My PC knows there is no baby. None of my PCs allowed the ritual - ever. They see no need to run after Morrigan.
Their stories are finished.
If there is an expansion called "Morrigan's baby" you can bet that there are many players who'll say "Baby? What baby."
It was a choice only. If it was to be covered later, it should have been mandatory, not a choice. Unless they wish to force a canon down the "no-baby" crowd and nullify our decision.

Starwars Knights of the Old Republic canon states that Revan returned to the light side and destroyed the Starforge. That being said it wouldn't be the first time a choice was given by Bioware that one option was canon. It is assumed that most people will save themselves instead of dieing.

[Sabriana]

@ Bobtheworm

That's why I said it should've been mandatory. I don't like it if the player is given meaningless choices. That is my personal opinion, and no one can make me suddenly like being forced down one road, when I clearly wish to go another.

I agree, it wouldn't be the first time that devs do that, and BioWare isn't the only game company that does so. It's in line with the 'persuade checks' that are set up to fail, every time. Why put them there, then?



@ krylo

Never played KotOR, sorry. Sarcasm fails epically if the target has no clue what you are on about. If it wasn't meant sarcastically and against me, I apologize. I simply have no clue what you are talking about. I can only assume that it is related to what Bobtheworm posted.

Morrigan can certainly make a deal with a demon, whatever is in the game that I missed where it says she can't and/or will never, ever make such a deal. Flemeth wasn't born an abomination, after all

[Maria Caliban]

It's humorous to see some people cling to their prefered ending. *They* picked that ending and *they* consider it awesome, so obviously BioWare will make it canon. Even as someone who prefers the Dark Ritual ending, I only see a bunch of people setting themselves up for disappointment.

In fact, the leader writer (David), had said that he views the proper ending as the Loghain redemption one. So much for the game 'pushing' you to dark ritual.

krylo wrote...
Yeah, because all those dark side players in KotoR didn't have their choice waved aside when a canon ending was decided or anything.

Decided by Lucas Arts, not BioWare.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 23 février 2010 - 10:02 .

[Sabriana]

I chose that ending, because I was given a choice. I played the game in an RP way, so I didn't simply roll a dice. Simple as that. If they canonize a different one, there will be nothing I can do about it. Like I said 2 or 3 times before, I only hope there's an explanation for the nullification of the choice, whatever choice gets nullified.

If the 'non-baby' choice gets implemented, fine, but I hope the 'baby' choice suddenly not being valid gets explained, somehow.

If the 'baby' choice is canonized, fine, but I hope the 'non-baby' crowd gets at least some kind of explanation.

If there is to be an exp or a whole game centering around one choice, then please don't make it a choice at all. If you do, please consider giving an explanation to those who choose otherwise.

And that's pretty much my stance on it. I'm not going into the back-yard and eat dirt if my choice was waived aside, but an explanation would be nice.

@ Maria
Yeah, I knew I read that Loghain bit somewhere. Aside from that, David does have an 'unholy love' for Loghain, as he pointed out himself.