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[Obadiah]

Karl45 wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

darth shango wrote...
You're ok with letting your kids watch you murder people (and aliens...and robots...and alien robots) but you're concerned about profanity? LOL The easiest solution would be in invest in a nice pair of gaming headphones so only you can here Jack drop f-bombs. Might I suggest the Turtle Beach Earforce X41's.

It's because kids can't murder people and aliens all the time. They can however curse.

Kids can murder(maybe not aliens). And once a kid hits grade 3, he/she will know every curse word in the book anyway.

Do I really have to spell out how much more effort it takes to kill someone once you have the knowledge (or an exceedingly oversimplified and unworkable example from this game) than to curse, which only requires that you open your mouth and is something kids can do for years without the parent's knowledge?

Anyway, as someone else said, it is an M rated game (for many more reasons than cursing), and to my original point "kids" is not the reason I thought the cursing in this game was overdone.

Modifié par Obadiah, 21 février 2010 - 04:57 .

[RighteousRage]

Pannamaslo wrote...

Cursing is a stress-relief. That's why amount of cursing increases with tension and sress. Study shows that people feel better, when they "curse" during highly stressful situations than people who were forbidden to do that.  For curious www.google.com/books It is really unlikely that during suicide mission people would restrain themselves.

Haha, so why does everyone in ME curse when they're surrounded by guards, armed to the teeth, etc. and then say things like "not difficult" and "deploying incineration tech" when fighting 300 foot tall demigodlike cybernetic organisms?

The idea that Gears of War may be more realistic in this aspect is highly troubling considering the characters in that game are like middle school footballers or something

"Ah, ****!" - someone who just jammed their gun

Modifié par RighteousRage, 21 février 2010 - 05:02 .

[sipaufade]

 i try not to curse. i try to avoid movies and games that curse. however, i think the cursing in this game is the only time when it has been appropriate. it is weird to heard turians (sadonis) curse but i think jack's character is perfectly written and voice acted. every single profanity seems so fitting to her character. i've never cringed at a single curse. i am happy that my shep never drops the fbomb though

[darth shango]

Obadiah wrote...

It's because kids can't murder people and aliens all the time. They can however curse.

Good point. At what age is it socially acceptable to begin hearing and using profanity anyway? 

[sipaufade]

my first curse was the 3rd grade. it went all downhill from there.

[RighteousRage]

Yes, back when I was in Taekwondo (I was like 12) I'd regularly go to events where 7 and 8 year olds were left alone and they'd be cursing up storms

[sipaufade]

^^

sad, marial arts are supposed to teach self control. the idolizing of chuck norris has doomed us all. *chuck norris breaks down the door, grabs me by the neck and roundhouse kicks my head off, gets on my laptop and types* "anyone else feel the same way?

[Jimbe2693]

Swearing is rooted in society, you can't hide it from your kids all their lives, it's everywhere, but whats the big deal about it anyway? I never understood

[Habelo]

The OP is just a kid according to his grammar..



With that in mind he is just trollin.

[Havokk7]

Humans swear. It's part of our nature. Some of our curses are more offensive than others (compare f-bomb with "oh gosh" - both are still swearing but the former is much worse).

I feel that having characters in a game or movie not curse at all is less realistic and more immersion-breaking that some cursing.



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[elemental150]

I honestly didn't think that Mass effect had that much cursing....maybe I just curse a lot in my real life

[Noobius_Maximo]

Parenting fail.

[KesselRunner]

Having cursing in the game to make it more realistic sounds like a pretty weak excuse to me. To me, it shows a bit of a lack of creativity. Take the TV show Firefly(best thing since sliced bread). It's set in the same general time frame and they made up a whole new set of curse words that showed how language evolves over time. Are people really still going to be dropping f-bombs in 500 years? Come on, now. Show a little creativity. In point of fact, it actually makes the game less realistic. Because it's like putting a bunch of people from our time into the future and putting them on a ship and having them save the universe. Cursing with contemporary language actually detracts from the futuristic theme. I play a game and I want to be immersed in the universe it creates, I don't want a rough conglomeration of then and now. I want it to take me away from the world, not remind me of it, that's why people play games.

[falco117]

Noobius_Maximo wrote...

Parenting fail.

youve just made my day

[enormousmoonboots]

Obadiah wrote...

It's because kids can't murder people and aliens all the time. They can however curse.

Don't nobody remember Nevada-tan. Kids absorb all kinds of info, you just don't see the effects of exposing them to serious violence as immediately as you do after exposing them to swearing.

Pannamaslo wrote...

I don't know why people do so much
fuss about cursing or language filters this or is it just American
culture. During localisation of ME1 polish publisher made Wrex saying
f*ck every two words and no one ever thought about language filters due
to one reason - game has M sign. It always amazes me that in anglosas
culture (especially US) violance (you can throw a merc out of a window)
is ok, unless you don't curse. Or show boobs.

I mean look at
Witcher (polish game). I can't say they hold back much.

It's totally an American hangup. If you asked Concerned Women of America which was more dangerous to children, bare boobies or someone saying 'fcuk', their heads would explode because they couldn't decide. Both are generally considered far more damaging to a young child's mind than extreme gore. Thanks for that, Puritans.

[razerdoh]

todddee2 wrote...

let the insults begin..
wah...wah....wah....If you don't want to hear it don't buy the game....Be a parent and police your children's game playing.....etc....
Why do publishers(or on another note,movies but I digress} feel the need to incorporate such a exorbinant amount of cursing into a game.
That said, I love this type of games(for the matter all types of games). I like to become part of the story, to feel like I make a difference in the story to some extent. And I do not mind the language in games for me, myself, or I.
I have children that like playing the same type of games I do, that like to watch while I play. My spouse does not like this type of language and while we can not police what they hear outside  of our house, we can try to regulate in our house.
I do play games with cursing in them but  have to play around my children's viewing. I know all the arguments...there are no bad words just bad meaning...etc. But tell that to my children or your children when they get suspended from school or whatever. Like it or not certain words hold certain status in our society. On Network TV and Radio they more or less hold to a certain standard, though that is changing every year. My point is can publishers put in filters to allow people to enjoy the game with out the cursing or what ever else? An appropiate Beep just like they do on TV or a fade to black for WHAT EVER ELSE.(see other threads for that can of worms) Something a person can set to change the game to allow their children or themselves play with out the cursing (OR WHATEVER ELSE). If a filter could be worked in more people could enjoy them. I honestly think there are a large amount of people that would buy certain games if this type of filter were installed. The Big M on a box does affect a publisher's profit margin .  I know there are hard core gamers that will disagree but I bet there are a lot that will agree with me.


The  field is now open and as I said let the insults begin.....

[greghorvath]

the game has an M rating. People not M should not get near it and that is a problem for the parents to solve.

[spacehamsterZH]

I love how the OP is worried his kids might hear a videogame character say a bad word, but apparently has no problems with them seeing videogame characters shooting each other in the face or the kneecaps, going up in flames and dying a screaming death or torturing a prisoner in order to extract information from him. I love that, I really do.

[KesselRunner]

I'm just disappointed that ME2 was not marketed to a wider audience. It's a great story and a fun game.



I just don't understand why games have to be rated "M" at all. It's just beyond me, I suppose. Will people not play it if it doesn't have sex, drugs and strong language in it? I mean, people aren't all like that, are they?



I understand that the game is meant for a certain audience, so there's no point in complaining. I just don't understand why.

[Dethateer]

Yes, we all know movies and games are much better when someone has to curse and they yell something like "GOSH DARNIT!" and slap the bad guy into submission/convince them nicely that they're wrong.
Point is that in a firefight, you're going to see blood. And hear people curse (as they do in all stressful situations), assuming your eardrums aren't ruptured by the sound of gunfire. Eliminating those things would make the game unrealistic.

Modifié par Dethateer, 14 avril 2010 - 09:58 .

[Gocad]

KesselRunner wrote...

I'm just disappointed that ME2 was not marketed to a wider audience. It's a great story and a fun game.

I just don't understand why games have to be rated "M" at all. It's just beyond me, I suppose. Will people not play it if it doesn't have sex, drugs and strong language in it? I mean, people aren't all like that, are they?

I understand that the game is meant for a certain audience, so there's no point in complaining. I just don't understand why.

I won't doubt that people would still play ME if it didn't have sex, drugs, violence and strong language, but I would say that these elements are there to make the world of ME a bit more realistic. In general it's okay for me that people think that certain age groups should not come into contact with such elements, but asking to make them non existent in games (or other media) at all is something I can't accept.

Besides, I'm not to sure that ME's story itself is something for all ages. 

[KesselRunner]

Dethateer wrote...

Yes, we all know movies and games are much better when someone has to curse and they yell something like "GOSH DARNIT!" and slap the bad guy into submission/convince them nicely that they're wrong.

Hey, some people still use Paragon instead of Renegade.

[askanec]

ME2 is rated a mature game, so it's going to have content suitable for a 17+ year old gaming audience. The ESRB has even informed clueless purchasers by putting in content descriptors like strong language and violence. If you're so concerned about any possible negative impact of video games on kids, then why are you playing ME2 in front of them? You've already been warned by the ESRB what to expect, how much more hand-holding do you want?

[Dethateer]

KesselRunner wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

Yes, we all know movies and games are much better when someone has to curse and they yell something like "GOSH DARNIT!" and slap the bad guy into submission/convince them nicely that they're wrong.

Hey, some people still use Paragon instead of Renegade.

You mean, like me?
Thing is whomever's pointing a weapon at you won't suddenly see you're right and put the gun down.