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[RyrineaNara]

KesselRunner wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

KesselRunner wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

US is not , nor will it ever be a Christian Nation. It is the land of the free and that is what the first amendment is about, suck on that bible thumpers . The founding fathers wonted to give America to people of all religious, and ethic background a place to come and practice their religion with out fear of being sent to jail.

Perhaps not, but it is a religious nation, the whole "One Nation Under God" thing.  The concept of God is shown in several religions.  So perhaps the US isn't specifically a Christian Nation, but it is a God fearing Nation.  I mean "fearing" in the figurative sense.

And in such a diverse society, where the laws are generalized to apply to the greatest number of people, cursing has no law against it, or any set rules to follow regarding it, at least, not anymore.  Except for the rating systems of movies, games and television.  

I may not like strong language personally, but that fact has absolutely no bearing on anything whatsoever.  It is a free country and I would be a hypocrite to say that swearing is wrong.  But disliking it is my right, and nobody can say that disliking strong language is wrong without being a hypocrite themselves.

I forgive you for your stupidty, since the reason why that is on there isn't very well known. Acsuess me it was not added untill the 1950"s.......

You didn't read my other post.  It was added by vote in the US Congress.  If the US Congress doesn't represent the people of the United States, who does?

But that's off topic.

And you don't have to go around assuming people are stupid.  It hurts their feelings.  But thanks for forgiving me nonetheless.

The united state congress did that out of fear of commies it was not what people thought at the time.  Macarthyism read up on this.  It was against the United states countiution.

Modifié par RyrineaNara, 15 avril 2010 - 07:53 .

[KesselRunner]

If you're playing Mass Effect 2 and your kid comes up and asks you why you're playing a game that cusses, just tell them that there is a difference between hearing it and saying it if you're concerned about them repeating what they heard. If you want your child to know that cussing shouldn't be done willy nilly, tell them.

[Siansonea]

Seriously, if you simply mute your television/computer when talking to Jack, you'll miss most of the 'profanity' in the game. She's the one who drops all the F-bombs. To my knowledge, Shepard never uses colorful language. You should probably mute Zaeed too, but he's not as bad as Jack.

I don't see what the fuss is about. These are simply words. Words only have power if we give them that power. No epithet can harm me unless I allow it. Questions of religion are tangential, it is coincidental that religious individuals are generally more offended by swear words, but it is not a phenomenon unique to them, nor is this discomfort found in every religious individual.

[Masticetobbacco]

todddee2 wrote...

let the insults begin..
wah...wah....wah....If you don't want to hear it don't buy the game....Be a parent and police your children's game playing.....etc....
Why do publishers(or on another note,movies but I digress} feel the need to incorporate such a exorbinant amount of cursing into a game.
That said, I love this type of games(for the matter all types of games). I like to become part of the story, to feel like I make a difference in the story to some extent. And I do not mind the language in games for me, myself, or I.
I have children that like playing the same type of games I do, that like to watch while I play. My spouse does not like this type of language and while we can not police what they hear outside  of our house, we can try to regulate in our house.
I do play games with cursing in them but  have to play around my children's viewing. I know all the arguments...there are no bad words just bad meaning...etc. But tell that to my children or your children when they get suspended from school or whatever. Like it or not certain words hold certain status in our society. On Network TV and Radio they more or less hold to a certain standard, though that is changing every year. My point is can publishers put in filters to allow people to enjoy the game with out the cursing or what ever else? An appropiate Beep just like they do on TV or a fade to black for WHAT EVER ELSE.(see other threads for that can of worms) Something a person can set to change the game to allow their children or themselves play with out the cursing (OR WHATEVER ELSE). If a filter could be worked in more people could enjoy them. I honestly think there are a large amount of people that would buy certain games if this type of filter were installed. The Big M on a box does affect a publisher's profit margin .  I know there are hard core gamers that will disagree but I bet there are a lot that will agree with me.


The  field is now open and as I said let the insults begin.....

does anyone really share this retard's opinion?

[phordicus]

an objection to cursing is as arbitrary, subjective, and meaningless as an objection to technical jargon or a strange accent. it's a part of verbal communication that helps convey meaning beyond the literal meaning of the word(s) used. if you've been brainwashed to believe that words can comprise some inherent morality, don't waste others' time asking for confirmation of your ignorance and gullibility.

ME2 is rated M for a reason, you ****ing idiot.

Modifié par phordicus, 15 avril 2010 - 08:03 .

[Tirigon]

RT0wn wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
While it would be very American and admirable not to have sex until you´re married...

Since when is that American?  Last I checked every high school in the country is full of fornication.

Well, I was using sarcasm against the clichee of american virtues...

Since when do collectors have a Taliban beard?

[Tirigon]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

does anyone really share this retard's opinion?

It hurts me to agree with fascists, but I think you´re right here, if this rhetorical question means that noone does.

[Masticetobbacco]

phordicus wrote...

an objection to cursing is as arbitrary, subjective, and meaningless as an objection to technical jargon or a strange accent. it's a part of verbal communication that helps convey meaning beyond the literal meaning of the word(s) used. if you've been brainwashed to believe that words can comprise some inherent morality, don't waste others' time asking for confirmation of your ignorance and gullibility.

ME2 is rated M for a reason, you ****ing idiot.

yea the OP is a fcking tool

Most children today can in fact handle mature content as early as age 10 due to globalization and increasing trends of internet access. I was 8 years old myself when I learned what porn was when I mispelled www.milk.com  with an f (hehe), and since my parents never sugar coated anything for me, I was able to digest this information and handle it maturely.

It's only a few spoiled white losers that cannot handle it because they have lived too much of a sheltered life; a logical result from fu.cktarded parents. I can go to Africa and the kids there as young as 8 will tell me about their knowlege of intercourse and prevention of AIDS, whereas asking a child in America about a vagina would cause them to burst in giggles or tears.

It saddens me that some spoiled children will kill themselves over an Xbox, but they are by no means an accurate representation of the youth today.

[KesselRunner]

phordicus wrote...

an objection to cursing is as arbitrary, subjective, and meaningless as an objection to technical jargon or a strange accent. it's a part of verbal communication that helps convey meaning beyond the literal meaning of the word(s) used. if you've been brainwashed to believe that words can comprise some inherent morality, don't waste others' time asking for confirmation of your ignorance and gullibility.

ME2 is rated M for a reason, you ****ing idiot.

Now, you see, that conveys nothing to me.  To me, you're just making a point and you've either been suddenly shot or that you're inordinately mad at me for some unknown reason, and calling me an idiot, which is weird.

I mean, cursing adds nothing to language that is not already there.  It is an extreme form of self expression, at the high end of the same scale as all other expressive words.  If you want to be extreme with the language, by all means be extreme, that's your prerogative.  Insulting people you don't know, however, is not conducive to effectively making your point.  If you want to use cursing to express yourself go for it, just leave me out of it.

I know what you said probably wasn't aimed at me specifically, but still...

Modifié par KesselRunner, 15 avril 2010 - 08:56 .

[Schurge]

I spend alot of my time reading up on politics, reading bills (boring as hell), history (to put things in context), and discuss this stuff on political forums. I come here when I get tired sifting through the trash (especially lately its fallen down to a 'you are a doodoo head, no you' between the two aisles).

You all amuse me.

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Anyways... if you don't like the swearing don't buy the game. It is not like its all gratuituous - the 'f-word' is used relatively conservatively, reflecting Jack's personality. The rest of the swearing in the game is pretty much limited to 'd@mn' and it is also used conservatively and is mostly tasteful (if that is possible) in its application.

If your big thing is that your kids are hearing it and than saying it at school thats your own fault as a parent for not letting them know swearing is unacceptable, there is something called a belt, and it works. I know. My parents know. My grandparents know... (you get the picture).

Bottom line: I don't buy GTA because I think it is a load of inappropriate woman-beating garbage. If for you, swearing is a GTA type offence, than don't buy it - otherwise keep your kids out of the room, or once again make it clear there are some things you just don't repeat.

[phordicus]

KesselRunner wrote...

Now, you see, that conveys nothing to me.  To me, you're just making a point and you've either been suddenly shot or that you're inordinately mad at me for some unknown reason, and calling me an idiot, which is weird.

I mean, cursing adds nothing to language that is not already there.  It is an extreme form of self expression, at the high end of the same scale as all other expressive words.  If you want to be extreme with the language, by all means be extreme, that's your prerogative.  Insulting people you don't know, however, is not conducive to effectively making your point.  If you want to use cursing to express yourself go for it, just leave me out of it.

I know what you said probably wasn't aimed at me specifically, but still...

of course it wasn't aimed at you, but it still applies except for the nasty part.

the point is that you have to be -- ahem -- indoctrinated to take notice of "curse" words as any separate category of expression in the first place and then further layer on biases as to their worth.  what it really is is people lavishing pretensions on the rest of us hoping we'll mistake their inventions for fact.

[abstractwhiz]

Why hasn't anyone linked to this yet? Cursing is hardly a bad thing, it just has bogus PR. <_<

Tirigon wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Perhaps they could make a special edition version in which the LI characters want to wait until marriage, and Shepard works out his differences with the collectors in a constructive manner.

Not the second part. While it would be very American and admirable not to have sex until you´re married, it would be quite unamerican, unmanly and maybe even communist propaganda NOT to shoot collectors. After all, they even LOOK like terrorrists, what with their dirty long beards and all.

You should see the hilarious stereotypes the rest of the world has about the US (due to Hollywood mostly). If I told my friends back home in India that the US was a strange anomaly among developed countries, unusually conservative and highly religious, their reactions would be a weird combination of WTF,disbelief and helpless laughter. Then they'd probably ask if I was yanking them around, because everyone knows that Americans are always drunk, stoned and constantly having sex with everyone they meet.  

Now, Europe on the other hand...

Yeah, I know I'm exaggerating a bit here, and by 'being extreme' in that way, I increase the effectiveness of what I wrote. Cursing is just like exaggeration in that respect, it just goes for a different type of effectiveness. 

Modifié par abstractwhiz, 16 avril 2010 - 12:34 .

[EternalWolfe]

abstractwhiz wrote...

because everyone knows that Americans are always drunk, stoned and constantly having sex with everyone they meet.  

I AM NOT DRUNK!!!!

 . . . well, not yet, anyways.

[Amethyst Deceiver]

Dethateer wrote...

Oh, yeah, a fade to black the instant Aria says f- until the -k, breaking her off mid-sentence and crushing her tone would be awesome. Honestly, what the hell, man? Do you live in South Park? "Horrific, deplorable violence is ok, as long as no one says any naughty words!"?

one of my favorite things to do is hit the spacebar right after it cuts into closeup of aria's lips.

then she says to me "DONT F***"

really aria? dont f***? ok. i wont. ever.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

it's always the f-bomb that gets me. when it happens like once or twice in a game it really stands out. For some reason i don't have much problem with it in like...a Quentin Tarantino movie because of the feelings of the characters. When it's just in there by itself it feels like something that was thrown in.

[WrexEffex]

Why do people freak out about cussing? They're just words, people. The same letters that spell "sith" and "this" also spell "****".

[kraidy1117]

Swearing=realistic and swearing fitted Jack so well. I swear the people who complain about that theres too much swearing, too much sex, too much voilence in this game and in video games need to get out of there house and see the world.

[HTTP 404]

somewhere a fairty dies when you say the F word.



F**K F**K F**K F**K F**K



Im on a killing spree

[ImperialOperative]

KesselRunner wrote...

You read my post and that's your reply?  Boy, am I in the wrong place...

Necro's are sick filth that must be purged.

[greghorvath]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

phordicus wrote...

an objection to cursing is as arbitrary, subjective, and meaningless as an objection to technical jargon or a strange accent. it's a part of verbal communication that helps convey meaning beyond the literal meaning of the word(s) used. if you've been brainwashed to believe that words can comprise some inherent morality, don't waste others' time asking for confirmation of your ignorance and gullibility.

ME2 is rated M for a reason, you ****ing idiot.

EDIT: I will not quote and thus advertise your rambling.

Phordicus: you need to read some philosophy about language. Languages do in fact contain much more than meets the eye (ear). Languages (words, grammar etc.) are the only thing that really makes humans special.

Masculinepotato: Stop calling others names while declaring yourself a fascist. You either havent read the article you posted or are too feeble minded to comprehend it. According to the article the boy ran away (as many do) and probably FELL off the tree (many teenagers climb trees as well, and many fall). Nothing says he killed himself over the console.

Being ABLE TO handle something and HAVING TO to handle something are very different things. Many people think they can handle a lot of things while not even being aware that they do damage to themselves and their environment. E.g. its these goose stepping morons that march under the swastika going on about racial superiority thinking they are actually right, or the islamic fanatics blowing themselves up in a subway. Based on most of the post in these forums You, sir, are a troll. A retarded one.



The OP is right in saying that there is a lot of cursing in the game. The OP is wrong letting his children near an M rated game.

Modifié par greghorvath, 16 avril 2010 - 06:39 .

[Dethateer]

Hey, greg, I take it you haven't seen Reservoir Dogs? THAT has a lot of cursing. Throwing "f**k" a few times in a game doesn't qualify as "a lot of cursing".

[kraidy1117]

greghorvath wrote...

Masticetobbacco wrote...

phordicus wrote...

an objection to cursing is as arbitrary, subjective, and meaningless as an objection to technical jargon or a strange accent. it's a part of verbal communication that helps convey meaning beyond the literal meaning of the word(s) used. if you've been brainwashed to believe that words can comprise some inherent morality, don't waste others' time asking for confirmation of your ignorance and gullibility.

ME2 is rated M for a reason, you ****ing idiot.

EDIT: I will not quote and thus advertise your rambling.

Phordicus: you need to read some philosophy about language. Languages do in fact contain much more than meets the eye (ear). Languages (words, grammar etc.) are the only thing that really makes humans special.

Masculinepotato: Stop calling others names while declaring yourself a fascist. You either havent read the article you posted or are too feeble minded to comprehend it. According to the article the boy ran away (as many do) and probably FELL off the tree (many teenagers climb trees as well, and many fall). Nothing says he killed himself over the console.

Being ABLE TO handle something and HAVING TO to handle something are very different things. Many people think they can handle a lot of things while not even being aware that they do damage to themselves and their environment. E.g. its these goose stepping morons that march under the swastika going on about racial superiority thinking they are actually right, or the islamic fanatics blowing themselves up in a subway. Based on most of the post in these forums You, sir, are a troll. A retarded one.



The OP is right in saying that there is a lot of cursing in the game. The OP is wrong letting his children near an M rated game.

Theres more swearing in GTA4, Gears of War 1+2 and Fallout 3 then ME2. ME2 swearing fits so well it's not even funny.

[We Are Harbinger]

Salarian: SON of a ****!

[massive_effect]

You can make a game that doesn't have any cursing, and it could be very realistic. Or, you can have bleeped cursing.



The OP is right that it is better to avoid cursing since all family members may walk by while he is playing.



There should be a bleep option, just like there's a "no blood" option in video games.

[Massadonious1]

massive_effect wrote...

You can make a game that doesn't have any cursing, and it could be very realistic..

Maybe if you lived in Disney's universe.