Varenus Luckmann wrote...
Did you just compare the linearity of Morrowind and Oblivion? Because if you did, I'm afraid I have to slap you.Endurance_117 wrote...
Did someone call Oblivion and Morrowind as linear as ME1 and 2?
Varenus Luckmann wrote...
What you're saying only holds water if you boil it down to semantics, in which case this discussion has no merit regardless.
sorry but ME2 is linear, to dispute that is ignorace at the very least. It is a point A to point B to point C game, simply becasue you can pick which team meates to get in what order during part B does not magicaly take the line out of the game.Schneidend wrote...
Varenus Luckmann wrote...
What you're saying only holds water if you boil it down to semantics, in which case this discussion has no merit regardless.
What we categorize something as is important. If something is not linear, we cannot accurately call it linear, in the same way that a cat is called a cat and not a spider.
To say Mass Effect 2 is linear is inaccurate, and has the consequence of attributing the stigma against linearity in game stories to Mass Effect 2. That does the game an undue disservice, in my opinion.
Modifié par Hizoka003, 21 février 2010 - 09:14 .
Oblivion, yes. Morrowind, no. In terms of linearity, they are leagues apart and Mass Effect would probably rate somewhere in the middle between them - but on the other hand, so would nearly all games.Endurance_117 wrote...
Someone said Oblivion was a linear as Mass EffectVarenus Luckmann wrote...
Did you just compare the linearity of Morrowind and Oblivion? Because if you did, I'm afraid I have to slap you.Endurance_117 wrote...
Did someone call Oblivion and Morrowind as linear as ME1 and 2?
Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 21 février 2010 - 09:17 .
Hizoka003 wrote...
people that compare any Bethesda game to anything linear are the personification of "gamer noob"
Modifié par tetracycloide, 21 février 2010 - 09:17 .
Hizoka003 wrote...
sorry but ME2 is linear, to dispute that is ignorace at the very least. It is a point A to point B to point C game, simply becasue you can pick which team meates to get in what order during part B does not magicaly take the line out of the game.
Thats called choice not sandbox.
I like you.tetracycloide wrote...
Hizoka003 wrote...
people that compare any Bethesda game to anything linear are the personification of "gamer noob"
Oblivion. Morrowind. Fallout 3. All linear. To certain extents. Morrowind least of all. Plot advances likewise regardless. Player controls when, rate, if events occur. Not how. Hows predetermined. At best chosen between handful of options. Story is written. Player turns pages. Skips to appendix. Perhaps even chapters. Does change what pages contain.
People not personifiable. Already people. Contradiction in terms.
I am sorry. I cannot hear you over how completely aspie you are.Schneidend wrote...
Hizoka003 wrote...
sorry but ME2 is linear, to dispute that is ignorace at the very least. It is a point A to point B to point C game, simply becasue you can pick which team meates to get in what order during part B does not magicaly take the line out of the game.
Thats called choice not sandbox.
If it cannot be demonstrated with a line, then it simply is not linear.
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Big_Stupid_Jelly wrote...
All games are inherently linear, to some degree, otherwise you'd end up with a sand-box game, which if it doesn't have loads and loads of content can get boring.
ok here is the line explained for you, seeing how you cannot fathom it on your own. Shepard is rebuilt and told of the big bad, that is point A. Due to the Big Bad you must make a team, so you go recruiting, that is point B. Now that you have your team you go after big bad to victory, that is point C in a stright line. Simply becasue you can get Tali before Jack does not change the fact that it is still just a point in the overall line, its a choice not a sandbox.Schneidend wrote...
Hizoka003 wrote...
sorry but ME2 is linear, to dispute that is ignorace at the very least. It is a point A to point B to point C game, simply becasue you can pick which team meates to get in what order during part B does not magicaly take the line out of the game.
Thats called choice not sandbox.
If it cannot be demonstrated with a line, then it simply is not linear.
Schneidend wrote...
If it cannot be demonstrated with a line, then it simply is not linear.
Hizoka003 wrote...
people that compare any Bethesda game to anything linear are the personification of "gamer noob"
tetracycloide wrote...
Schneidend wrote...
If it cannot be demonstrated with a line, then it simply is not linear.
Dots connectable with lines. Order irrelevant.
Hizoka003 wrote...
sorry but ME2 is linear, to dispute that is ignorace at the very least. It is a point A to point B to point C game, simply becasue you can pick which team meates to get in what order during part B does not magicaly take the line out of the game.
Thats called choice not sandbox.
Varenus Luckmann wrote...
I am sorry. I cannot hear you over how completely aspie you are.
Modifié par ImperialOperative, 21 février 2010 - 09:24 .
tetracycloide wrote...
Hizoka003 wrote...
people that compare any Bethesda game to anything linear are the personification of "gamer noob"
Oblivion. Morrowind. Fallout 3. All linear. To certain extents. Morrowind least of all. Plot advances likewise regardless. Player controls when, rate, if events occur. Not how. Hows predetermined. At best chosen between handful of options. Story is written. Player turns pages. Skips to appendix. Perhaps even chapters. Cannot change what pages contain.
People not personifiable. Already people. Contradiction in terms.
slimgrin wrote...
When I think back on the Bioware titles I have played, Intricate level design or large maps to explore are not part of the experience. I understand developers have to prioritize, but both the "worlds" in Dragon age and Mass effect are very tight and limited. It's too bad, in my opinion.
Does anyone agree?
that is sematics. Just like saying every game is technicaly and RPG becasue you play ythat persons role, but anyone that does not look up to Forrest Gump as an intelectual idol know thats not what the term means.h_pepon wrote...
Hizoka003 wrote...
people that compare any Bethesda game to anything linear are the personification of "gamer noob"
No, people that believe in the existence of non-linear games are "gamer noobs." Every single game has a starting, middle, and ending point. The player always triggers a specific action, cut scene, or sequence that moves forward the story/progression of the game. How diverse your gameplay options are when moving from unavoidable point "A" to unavoidable point "B" defines how "linear" a game is today, but there is not such thing as a non-linear game.
Seraosha wrote...
I just wish Bethesda would hurry up with Elder Scrolls V. I need another open world RPG to balance everything out! A real one though, not that dire Fallouty pap ¬_¬
h_pepon wrote...
Every single game has a starting, middle, and ending point.... but there is not such thing as a non-linear game.
All MMOstetracycloide wrote...
h_pepon wrote...
Every single game has a starting, middle, and ending point.... but there is not such thing as a non-linear game.
Second life.
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tetracycloide wrote...
Hizoka003 wrote...
people that compare any Bethesda game to anything linear are the personification of "gamer noob"
Oblivion. Morrowind. Fallout 3. All linear. To certain extents. Morrowind least of all. Plot advances likewise regardless. Player controls when, rate, if events occur. Not how. Hows predetermined. At best chosen between handful of options. Story is written. Player turns pages. Skips to appendix. Perhaps even chapters. Cannot change what pages contain.
People not personifiable. Already people. Contradiction in terms.
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