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[Terror_K]

DAO is by far and large the superior game, even if the Mass Effect IP is stronger. I think the only aspect that ME2 betters DAO is its cinematic storytelling aspect and overall storyline (DAO is pretty generic in this regard; it's got good writing, but the main story in itself is fairly plain and typical of fantasy).

[KotOREffecT]

Mass Effect easly defeats Dragon Age.. For a number of many reasons. Such as music, cinematics, pacing, interaction, story obviously, characters, continuity. You really can't compare them. Dragon Age is more of a throwback to the old school dungeon crawlers, with a deeper inventory, longer story (but the mass effect trilogy is in itself one big connected story), and the deeper traditional rpg mechanics that ME lacks. Other than that, no, it just doesn't beat ME 1 or 2 IMO.

Honestly, I don't get how some can say that the party interactions are soooo great.. They are good, and are more of them than ME, but both ME and DA fall short in that regard. Honestly, KotOR still had the best interation system. simply because the characters would stop you to talk to you while traveling, get into random arguments which would aquire your attention which means you get interruped while walking, and all around your squadmates had way more things to say not to mention way more conversations. Where as ME and DA you'll just hear random sqaud banter at times, its just not as immersing or engaging as what BioWare did with KotOR.. It's an aspect I wish they would bring back to their future games.

Modifié par KotOREffecT, 22 février 2010 - 12:45 .

[Pocketgb]

Dragon Age is a weird thing indeed.

Contrary to standard Bioware fashion, it doesn't try to do anything "crazy" with its storyline. That may not actually be a bad thing, given the whole purpose of DA feels like it's "going old-school". It's been a long time since we've seen an RPG go back to the old RPG days of running with a wizard, fighter and thief and killing dragons, and in this sense DA is widely successful.

There are things I have issue with, though. ME1 was far from perfect in regards to the balance and functionality of its mechanics, but each class was interesting to level and you actually knew what you would be getting with that one skill point. There's a multitude of build options for each class, and while some paths are ones you'd be an idiot not to take (i.e. Immunity) there is still quite a lot of choice. You could be a Soldier emphasizing largely on pistols and sniper rifles, or one focusing mainly on close to mid-range combat with shotguns and assault rifles. You can specialize your skills into being more of a damage soaker or more into a killing machine.

Similarly, the Warrior in Dragon Age only has four slots they can put points into: 2-handed weaponry, Sword and Shield, Archery, and Duel-Wielding. Yes there is a multitude of skills within those trees, but the skills will *only* be usuable if you have the corresponding weapons equipped that're associated with them, and switching weapons turns off auras (i.e. stances) with long cool-downs, and this highly discourages weapon swapping. Overall this leads to *very* boring character development, not to mention how inactive the playstyle is.

I could go on and on and on, but to put it simply: DA is a fun adventure with pretty cool locales and characters, but it doesn't have the same polish I expected from Bioware. ME1 had a lot, ME2 has more. But meh, it's just all my opinion.

gmartin40 wrote...

Actually, DA:O has better graphics. It's been proven and the engine they used for DA:O uses technology that the Unreal engine used for ME 1 and 2 doesn't have. 

If that's the case I'm not seeing it showing. Character aesthetics are a hell of a lot better than ME1, though.

Modifié par Pocketgb, 22 février 2010 - 12:38 .

[Lmaoboat]

Pocketgb wrote...



Dragon Age is a weird thing indeed.



Contrary to standard Bioware fashion, it doesn't try to do anything "crazy" with its storyline. That may not actually be a bad thing, given the whole purpose of DA feels like it's "going old-school". It's been a long time since we've seen an RPG go back to the old RPG days of running with a wizard, fighter and thief and killing dragons, and in this sense DA is widely successful.



There are things I have issue with, though. ME1 was far from perfect in regards to the balance and functionality of its mechanics, but each class was interesting to level and you actually knew what you would be getting with that one skill point. There's a multitude of build options for each class, and while some paths are ones you'd be an idiot not to take (i.e. Immunity) there is still quite a lot of choice. You could be a Soldier emphasizing largely on pistols and sniper rifles, or one focusing mainly on close to mid-range combat with shotguns and assault rifles. You can specialize your skills into being more of a damage soaker or more into a killing machine.



Similarly, the Warrior in Dragon Age only has four slots they can put points into: 2-handed weaponry, Sword and Shield, Archery, and Duel-Wielding. Yes there is a multitude of skills within those trees, but the skills will *only* be usuable if you have the corresponding weapons equipped that're associated with them, and switching weapons turns off auras (i.e. stances) with long cool-downs, and this highly discourages weapon swapping. Overall this leads to *very* boring character development, not to mention how inactive the playstyle is.



I could go on and on and on, but to put it simply: DA is a fun adventure with pretty cool locales and characters, but it doesn't have the same polish I expected from Bioware. ME1 had a lot, ME2 has more. But meh, it's just all my opinion.

gmartin40 wrote...



Actually, DA:O has better graphics. It's been proven and the engine they used for DA:O uses technology that the Unreal engine used for ME 1 and 2 doesn't have.

If that's the case I'm not seeing it showing. Character aesthetics are a hell of a lot better than ME1, though.

Actually, one of the things I didn't like about DA:O was that it was too different to be old school, and too derivative to be unique. It was like inverting an image, adding some lenses flare, and calling it an edit.

[Pocketgb]

Lmaoboat wrote...

Actually, one of the things I didn't like about DA:O was that it was too different to be old school, and too derivative to be unique. It was like inverting an image, adding some lenses flare, and calling it an edit.

Hm. After thinking about it I actually agree with you, if not for the same reasons. For me, the lore is very rich, but it's tied to a rather straight-forward plot. It's mainly the world itself that was drawing me in rather than the story.

Plus, I always did my playthroughs as an elf (half of them as Dalish), and my character - whom most people are extremely prejudiced against - must've conveniently dodged all of the racist and jerk-off humans, since everyone treated me rather nicely. I went in expecting something more, and it's quite absurd that I'm advocating for "more racism" in something :I

[firefly253]

Love both games but had more fun with ME 2 .

[AlphaJarmel]

llinsane1ll wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

I'm playing DA and I think it's actually better than ME2. The length is enormous, the party interactions are on a whole 'nother level, the game is much harder, and the plot is somewhat better.

Actually the game is NOT harder, it's not even difficult.. period. And I'm serious. The length of ME2 and DAO are almost the same if you do all the side quest including the planet scanning missions. Look on youtube and you will find all the locations

I'm playing as a mage right now and I'm finding Dragon Age is brutal on normal.  I've played WoW extensively, destroyed Demons Souls, easily beat ME1 and 2 on Insanity, and knock difficulty levels up to make games more realistic.  Dragon Age is far and away one of the hardest games I've played.  The recruitment missions for each group are like one of the recruitment missions in ME2 plus the character's loyalty missions.  I've done all the stuff in ME2 and it took me around 70 hrs and I expect Dragon Age to take me awhile longer.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 22 février 2010 - 07:37 .

[Crazy_Cat_Lady]

Increment wrote...

Play ME2 instead of anything else,people, just simply beause  everything in MA2 is so much more real.Real!
Wake up! This is real depression, just like reality.

What's MA2, troll?

/fail

[dmcguk]

ME2 is more appealing to the casual gamer rather then DA that appeals to the oldschool hardcore rpgers

Modifié par dmcguk, 22 février 2010 - 07:48 .

[stdepriest]

KotOREffecT wrote...

Mass Effect easly defeats Dragon Age.. For a number of many reasons. Such as music, cinematics, pacing, interaction, story obviously, characters, continuity. You really can't compare them. Dragon Age is more of a throwback to the old school dungeon crawlers, with a deeper inventory, longer story (but the mass effect trilogy is in itself one big connected story), and the deeper traditional rpg mechanics that ME lacks. Other than that, no, it just doesn't beat ME 1 or 2 IMO.

Honestly, I don't get how some can say that the party interactions are soooo great.. They are good, and are more of them than ME, but both ME and DA fall short in that regard. Honestly, KotOR still had the best interation system. simply because the characters would stop you to talk to you while traveling, get into random arguments which would aquire your attention which means you get interruped while walking, and all around your squadmates had way more things to say not to mention way more conversations. Where as ME and DA you'll just hear random sqaud banter at times, its just not as immersing or engaging as what BioWare did with KotOR.. It's an aspect I wish they would bring back to their future games.

I don't know, I still feel Baldur's Gate 2 had the best interaction between NPC's and the PC.  Minsc and Boo are Misc and Boo!

Anyway, I have my space hamster in ME2...I figure it must be Boo even it doesn't go *squeak squek* or go for the eyes like Boo.

[stdepriest]

KotOREffecT wrote...

Mass Effect easly defeats Dragon Age.. For a number of many reasons. Such as music, cinematics, pacing, interaction, story obviously, characters, continuity. You really can't compare them. Dragon Age is more of a throwback to the old school dungeon crawlers, with a deeper inventory, longer story (but the mass effect trilogy is in itself one big connected story), and the deeper traditional rpg mechanics that ME lacks. Other than that, no, it just doesn't beat ME 1 or 2 IMO.

Honestly, I don't get how some can say that the party interactions are soooo great.. They are good, and are more of them than ME, but both ME and DA fall short in that regard. Honestly, KotOR still had the best interation system. simply because the characters would stop you to talk to you while traveling, get into random arguments which would aquire your attention which means you get interruped while walking, and all around your squadmates had way more things to say not to mention way more conversations. Where as ME and DA you'll just hear random sqaud banter at times, its just not as immersing or engaging as what BioWare did with KotOR.. It's an aspect I wish they would bring back to their future games.

[Andre J Barbosa]

they are different

[Dark Glasses]

Hmmm...

I like Dragon Age a lot, but it's sometimes way too long and replaying some areas are boring.

I still vote Mass Effect.

[Nautica773]

Dark Glasses wrote...

Hmmm...
I like Dragon Age a lot, but it's sometimes way too long and replaying some areas are boring.
I still vote Mass Effect.

Though I like DAO more, by Jove the Bracilian Forest is unbearably boring!

[Ryzaki]

Nautica773 wrote...

Dark Glasses wrote...

Hmmm...
I like Dragon Age a lot, but it's sometimes way too long and replaying some areas are boring.
I still vote Mass Effect.

Though I like DAO more, by Jove the Bracilian Forest is unbearably boring!

You didn't love the hermit?

DA wins because of the fact that you could be friends with someone without wanting to bone them. And...well Alistair. <3

[Agitharon]

Well the thing that i liked a lot about ME2, which made me like it more than DAO(except from some stuff already mentioned) is the future impact of your choices. You really have to think before you act, cause (according to Bioware at least), ME3's world will depend on the stuff you do on 1 and 3. No matter how hard i try, i cant think the choices made in DAO as long term as ME's ones, and thats prolly cause ME's ((all 3 games together)) seem to have a stronger story. DAO, at least for me, ended with the fall of the Archdemon, but i couldnt feel the same with the fall of Nazara, nor with the ending of the suicide mission. In other words, while the expansion of DAO seems to me like "one more adventure in DAO world", i cant wait to get ME3 and see what will happen.

[Nautica773]

Ryzaki wrote...
You didn't love the hermit?

DA wins because of the fact that you could be friends with someone without wanting to bone them. And...well Alistair. <3

Nor that damnable rhymning tree. Why can't I set him on fire?

Shale takes the cake for me. I  Shale.

Modifié par Nautica773, 22 février 2010 - 09:32 .

[Rayhaana]

Recruiting teammates felt better than recruiting armies. But party banter in DA was enjoyable.

[Lonely_Fat_Guy]

ME1/ME2 hands down



more realism, the whole world appeals more to me.

DA:O has alot of things that keeps it from beeing a really good game, i also prefere the characters in ME more. da:o with ailister made me cry, gawd what a whimp.

[Frotality]

epic well thought out argument OP.

[Ryzaki]

Nautica773 wrote...

Nor that damnable rhymning tree. Why can't I set him on fire?

Shale takes the cake for me. I  Shale.

Okay that bit I agree with. Even as the sickingly nice guy I still wanted to burn that thing down. <_<

Shale is okay but well Ali and Leliana are what makes the game for me. <3 And Zev when I'm playing evil characters (and only then sadly good guys don't dig assassins to much. <_< ) .

[OverlordWarwick]

I dunno, they are both different games.



Personally I think I like them both equally for their respective qualities. (Yeah I sit on the fence go me.)

[FlyinElk212]

ImperialOperative wrote...

I love this picture. And I love you, poster of this picture.

lololololololololololol

[JaegerBane]

Increment wrote...

Play ME2 instead of anything else,people, just simply beause  everything in MA2 is so much more real.Real!
Wake up! This is real depression, just like reality.

I personally like them both. They have some similarities. Revenants in both games are bad ass things of doom. The only difference is in DA you're desperately trying to kill them while they destroy everything. In ME2 they sit in you hands and destroy everything.